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    posted a message on "Mill" was such a gross feel-bad game term choice
    maybe, but at the same time mill is universally recognized within the game already as meaning put the top card into the graveyard and traumatize... well... isn't.

    if anything the word traumatize is more recognized in association with the card and believe it or not there would be a ton of casual players who would think the keyword does what the card does. no i don't have statistics on that, but if you want real proof just hang out on any casual magic facebook group and look at the rules questions that come up daily.

    i dunno man, i've played a real long time and i find mill pretty elegant. yes, this does mean i was around when the term was first coined and will probably grasp it better but at the same time i've never been a part of a playgroup that doesn't understand what mill means. the word mill being only 4 letters long also freed up a ton of space in the text box.

    so like, while i see the point about it not being as immersive into the fantasy side of the game i think this is one time where that's okay
    Posted in: Magic General
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    posted a message on Running Command Tower in a monocolored deck?
    yeah it really has no place in a mono colored build. there's almost zero benefit. if you're worried about land hosers you wer going to get blown out by those anyway and command tower is going to stop that - plus there are plenty of nonbasics out there in every single color that can take that spot and do something more even
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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    posted a message on B & R Announcement 8/3 Major Shakeups
    i'll say the same thing i've said almost all year, but maybe i'll say it a little louder this time:

    more resources need to be poured into development. not just design. they also need to nail down the disconnect between design and development. these types of bannings should not be happening this frequently. let design go ham, but development needs to reign it in and achieve balance. they haven't been doing that. the long term health of the game, and faith in the product, erodes the more frequently this happens.

    that said, some of these were LONG overdue. i also feel ugin and uro both need to go too, but i'm sure we'll see them hit with the ban hammer eventually.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Possible Double Masters lawsuit?
    Quote from SpeedGrapher »
    We got to a point where the chinese proxy fake cards have a BETTER quality than the actual real cards.

    Yea, thats just pathetic and sad.


    Yeah, you're right. If you take an old swamp you can do the bend test or just get a good flex. Today if you bend any card you will destroy it. The cards quality is erratic too. Sometimes you get high end cards. Sometimes you get thin garbage with bad printing. Or you get the middle level which is still doesn't compare to an old swamp. They have very high margins now for their product line. That can easily afford to get the old print quality back.

    I don't think they need to be sued for anything though. If we are talking about suing a collectible card game company that is a bridge too far. The game will start to implode on it's own if people are that angry. They sure over priced this double masters product. I get that the old suggested retail for a booster box was around $140-$150. But that's crazy, no one ever paid that. It was $90 about for forever. So if we do the old retail then sure it's $300. But it should be more like $180. You get minimum 2x the rares plus some extra. If you feel you need to sue then you probably need to stop playing and find something else to do, because it's not fun anymore for you. I'd suggest completely getting out of tournament play. There are hundreds of sports out there that cost less money that are competitive if that's what people want.


    i disagree, while i don't think a lawsuit is entirely necessary here, they do seek to correct aberrant behaviors before things progress too far. for instance, were some lawsuit to arise over this it would send a very clear message the player base does not want this kind of precedent for product set. that they won't tolerate it. all without having to sacrifice sales in a dramatic way in the future. it's far too easy to just stop buying and watch as things deteriorate without a clear solution. case in point the novels, they became a self fulling prophecy. quality declined, and declined, and declined, and then so did sales. then poof no more novels and we're all left wondering wtf happened. i'm not saying a lawsuit would have solved that, or that they can solve everything, i'm saying they do have their place in allowing voices to be heard when there is no other option.

    further, lets be real. the precedent IS now set. this set will sell. bottom line doesn't care how or to who. so if whales and stores buy up all the product to crack or flip, its still sold. product did its job. lets do it again.
    Posted in: Magic General
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    posted a message on Can Emrakul corrupt planeswalkers?
    Quote from 5colors »
    Quote from Flisch »
    Spatial Contortion's flavour text seems to imply that planeswalkers are immune at least to some of the effects of Eldrazi. Whether that extends to the corrupting power of Emrakul (or whether the flavour text is even canon) is anyone's guess.

    From a meta standpoint, I would assume planeswalkers are immune, similarly to how they are immune to phyresis, even though the reasons are different. Being immune to phyresis allows planeswalkers to interact with phyrexians without having to explain every time why this and that character survived unchanged and why Phyrexia doesn't simply just use these as infection vectors for other planes (like they used Karn). For eldrazi it's simpler: There's no point. Eldrazi can already move to other planes. Corrupting a planeswalker into an eldrazi adds nothing of value to the story.


    Neo walkers aren't immune to phyresis tho. Old walkers where since they didn't have a body that could transformed but its suggested neo walkers aren't as lucky. I even wanna say they said Melira gave Elspeth and her group her immunity as well as Tezzeret.

    Tho similar to phyresis Emrakul corruption was said a few times said to effect peoples souls and any damage to a soul can harm the spark.


    well... phyresis was kind of retconned with new phyrexia and didn't really exist in that form prior.

    old walkers weren't so much immune to it because it just wasn't how anything was "compleated" at the time. back then it was a much more physical process. at the same time, in the novel planeswalker urza gets extremely sick from just setting foot in certain parts of phyrexia which is how he and xantcha end up on serra's realm. this too is described as more of a befouling of the plane introduced by black mana (which later destabilizes the plane as it was a plane created and subsisting only from white mana) than the compleation process as described on mirrodin. if i recall the phyrexian forces introduced to the plane arrived via portal technology as well. further, urza later builds the titan suits during invasion in order to protect the other walkers and himself from the pollutants on phyrexia. this was more to do with pollution and corrosive atmosphere in some spheres than the phyresis process later described on our second visit to mirrodin.

    point is that walkers weren't immune to the process because it was a completely different process back then.

    its also important to remember that back then more than a few people, and walkers, frequently traveled to the first sphere without any negative consequence. leshrac at one point was imprisoned there, and jarsyl documented quite a bit of the first sphere at one point even remarking on the oil raining from the sky.

    during the thran we're not really given much in regard to the actual process, but we can probably assume the process is more surgical from the healing pods utilized by the hospital on phyrexia's first sphere and yawgmoth's general experiments into dissection.

    newts, like xantcha and k'rrik, while produced by phyrexia in flesh vats also strove to be compleated too, having to incorporate real modifications rather than anything oil based transforming them. this was also a major point in planeswalker.

    additionally rath, which was created in the aether by phyrexian technology, borrowed races from all over the multiverse. not one of those people were compleated in the manner we see on mirrodin despite phyrexian tech, including nano machines (flowstone) being literally everywhere on the plane. many other people also travel to this plane with no negative consequence.

    on top of that; phyrexia did have limited portal tech. it was extremely resource heavy to use, and easily destabilized (referenced in planeswalker). they chased urza all over the multiverse, and explored in a limited capacity to acquire new tech and biomatter. this means that if phyrexian oil existed as it does today, with the same effects, there would be countless worlds (including dominaria and mercadia) that would be phyrexianized.

    i'd wager they solve that hole eventually by saying the oil was mutated by exposure to something on mirrodin. the mirrari or karn's spark probably. giving us its current incarnation and explaining away why it didn't have those effects in the past.

    as an aside: walkers weren't actually gods until they forgot how to write them, which was sometime after invasion block. prior to that point they were very killable and didn't even have unlimited power. dyfed is stabbed in the head and gets her brains scrambled. it takes all of serra's power to hold her realm together, and she eventually gets stabbed by a thief (though i think that was retconned recently too). urza is laid low by sickness, and repeatedly almost dies to things like negators, gix, k'rrik, and radiant. in the early days walkers die all the time to mundane things even.

    regarding if they're immune to emrakul... well i think it would be really cool if they weren't but we weren't given a lot of information. i do think it was a missed opportunity to not have nahiri or even tamiyo be transformed by emrakul. perhaps in the future we'll get a walker that was residing on innistrad, or has been studying the moon, and has slowly been warped by emrakul despite her being trapped in the moon.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
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    posted a message on [2XM] Maelstrom Nexus and Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund— Gaby Spartz previews
    dilute dilute dilute, can't have too many people getting those good mythics.

    gotta keep em buying lotto tickets. gamble! GAMBLE!
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Set boosters (yet another new type of booster)
    Sorry but this idea can absolutely blow me.

    You know how you make opening boosters fun? You design interesting, and reasonably fair cards that i want to use in decks.

    Theme boosters were too expensive to be worth it and had next to no reward.

    Premium boosters killed the viability of normal ones outside of drafting.

    Its not fun to open some alt art or borderless card then find out its worthless when it really shouldnt be due to market saturation.

    Its not fun to spend money on a pack and find out you didnt get that hot mythic so the entire pack is next to worthless.

    Its not fun to no longer be able to trade up because so much value is tied to just a few mythics each set.

    Its not fun to need a spreadsheet to track what you open.

    All of the changes theyve made to packs since eldraine have made opening packs the least fun i have had in over 25 years of pack cracking.

    This is just more ******* gambling and frankly im sick of it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on [2XM] Shuffle Master - Hanna, ships navigator, Maze of Ith, and Geth, lord of the vault
    i'll take the terese neilsen art over that hanna art any day, though it is much better than the invasion art. regardless... who the **** wanted this reprinted again?

    surprised they actually put maze at rare instead of mythic, but then again its fallen way down in popularity in the only format it actually saw play

    geth at mythic is... why... just... why. do mythics need to be diluted that much? the rares don't already do enough of that already? the price doesn't already knock a lot of people out? why put him at mythic here other than as a blatant **** you.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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    posted a message on Possible Double Masters lawsuit?
    I'm willing to make the argument that MTG is now involved with class warfare because of Double Masters. So class conflict often referred to as class struggle and class warfare is the political tension and economic antagonism that exists in society consequence to the socio-economic competition among the social classes are between rich, middle class, and poor. So we can view this as a pyramid and the majority of MTG players are maybe students, probably still in college, maybe younger people. Maybe they're people who don't have the best paying jobs so they would all be at the bottom of the pyramid and support the middle and the top of the pyramid. I started playing MTG right after I graduated from high school so I'd be almost at the bottom of the pyramid. The forms of class conflict include direct violence such as wars for resource and cheap labor, revolution, indirect violence such as deaths from starvation, illness, or unsafe working conditions, economic coercion such as threat of unemployment or with the withdrawal of investment capital or ideologue by way of political literature.

    So here we have a system where the majority of MTG players are unable to afford a $100 booster pack or it would be very unwise for them to buy something like this during the middle of a pandemic or at any time really pandemic or non-pandemic and we already have a premium product it's called Double Masters. That itself is a premium product over the other premium product being a regular Masters set. Then that itself is a premium product you know. So a regular Masters set you know, Modern Masters, Eternal Masters, it is itself a premium product of mostly reprints. Then when you make a premium product of a premium product hence Double Masters, double the value I guess and double the cost, then you have a VIP Edition of the premium product of the premium product of the premium product, you can see this going on and on but really it all comes down to class warfare and whether or not you have the money to be one of these cool kids. Do you have the money to open a $100 booster pack?

    It's been seen within the Sports Card Industry where some people have collected Sports cards for a very long time where some cards are actually made from gold as in 18 carat gold it can't be 24 carats because apparently the cards get molded. There's Sports cards that were made out of 18 karat gold and they had diamonds in them like legit diamonds including sapphires, rubies, and emeralds, no joke. There's a product called Panini Eminence and there's even different sized diamonds like really sometimes you get really large diamonds in them and of course it's resold throughout so it's not like they're losing money of course they're making a lot of money from these cards or diamonds and these cards made from gold. As in bars of gold in these cards. No joke. Taking a look at the Sports Card Industry and it's evolution it was inevitable that one day MTG would get there. $100 a booster pack is nothing to the Sports Card Industry. In fact $100 booster pack is considered cheap to the Sports Card Industry.

    We have things that cost $5,000 a booster pack like it's still packed. It's a box of 10 cards and a few encased cards If you will and it comes in a briefcase or it comes in a really nice wooden cigar box that isn't very fancy. Obviously the Sports Card Industry has dealt with this longer so they've modernized it and they made it so that it's more attractive. Every year you have to do something more attractive than the last year of course. So the Sports Card Industry is ahead of MTG in terms of display and how the cards feel. MTG kinda looks crappy for it's premium products nowadays to be quite honest though it wasn't like this back when they cared about foils more with the From the Vault series or how they used to print old school foils with the shooting star on the bottom of the cards. Why are those kind of foils now only reserved for Judge Promos? They stopped doing this recently but still those old school card templates in foil were pretty nice looking.

    The people who open Double Masters being $100 booster packs, they will tend to be wealthier, not all of them some of them will be casual players but they will tend to have more money, and they will tend to be of a different economic stature and that's not good for this game overall. It's very bad actually for society in general. $100 a booster pack is going to divide the games' player base as everyone regardless of their political class whether they're rich, middle class, or poor wants a booster pack. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean that you don't want it. So you want the cards but you can't afford them. Isn't this a divide that Wizards of the Coast should be more worried about? Players should be treated as If they were ALL in the same social economic status not in segmented groups between rich, middle class, and poor. MTG isn't just a luxury product when it should be a product for ALL players. I get that it's a collectible item but at the same time players need to be able to afford the cost to play it.


    i think its also important to remember that the sports card industry completely collapsed in the 90's. more than a few of the reasons why that collapse happened have been popping up in magic lately. i think a lot of those lessons are neglected with magic because its just one company producing the cards, but those lessons are real. they're also quantifiable through other failed tcg's, and magic's own past. the next few years should be interesting to say the least.
    Posted in: Magic General
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