sanguine bond is absolutely perfect in that old frame. its the kind of art and look to a card that actually got me interested in the game back in 93. really makes me miss the old frame.
While the old art was good, for whatever reason it doesnt pair well with what the card does and is as a result extremely difficult for me to remember mechanically.
Wow dude, I think it's time everybody stepped away from their computer. It's just cardboard with ******* dragons and fairies on them.
its okay to be critical of the things we enjoy my guy. especially when we've enjoyed those things and put money into them, for in some cases decades. even more so when those things are headed in directions that, well... we don't enjoy.
if not discussed here, then where? do you just accept it in silence and keep pumping money and time into something that went in a direction you dislike just so you can keep playing it? if it moves in that direction in the future, but you enjoy playing it and your existing cards are still useable, what do you do? do you keep going? do you get outclassed? do you resign and give up on the thing that you love despite having the tools to play the game?
and if you do walk away, from discussing it, from participating, how is that good for the game? how is that good for the community either? at a certain point it just dies.
the only thing that will kill magic is magic. many feel this is a step in that direction, and would prefer to not see that happen. there's nothing wrong with that.
i don't agree with pushing the idea that anyone can just walk away from the table if they don't like these.
there are a lot of situations where you really can't. not if you, you know... actually want to play magic. if i have a problem with what these mean for the game, and it breaks my immersion in the game space, sure i can choose to walk away from that pod. except maybe now i don't get to play magic all night, maybe the event doesn't fire because there aren't enough participants, maybe i'm now cheated out of prizes because someone knew how much these are despised and that that some people will actively quit. what do you do on turn 8 when one of the 99 is inquisitor eisenhorn? pack up and go? why is that okay to force onto me?
at the same time the people who choose to run these are going to be sitting there going what the ****, these are legit cards, why do these people not want to play me. how is this fair to me. why is that okay to force onto them?
i read a point someone made where it basically says, why is it okay for magic to borrow from all these other IP's and just slap them onto a card, but its not okay for the jedi to come save the day at helms deep or something. there's a reason why an homage is okay, why borrowing with a twist is okay. you see it in wow constantly, its in 40k, its even already in magic and its a fine concept. it takes something and gives it an in universe twist, keeps it relevant to the experience.
this whole concept is just creatively bankrupt. why make innistrad when you can just make the walking dead set, why bother with phyrexians when we can just print up some adeptus mechanicus machine cult cards. **** the weatherlight saga, we're replacing it with the enterprise d. it wears away so much of the experience. so much at the game. it basically says the cards don't matter, the name magic the gathering matters... yet we keep blurring what magic the gathering IS. we don't play magic to play pokemon, or dragonball, or whatever else, we play magic because of the flavor that is magic the gathering.
there's also the bull***** distribution model. put it in a secret lair and it turns out to be good? better hope you had the cash and foresight to buy in! missed the initial printing? well you're probably ****ed because of licensing, have fun! it creates a secondary reserve list and further disenfranchises newer players who might find these cards and think they're cool, but then not be able to obtain them. it also exploits older competitive ones by making them feel forced into a purchase to stay relevant. we already get this from newly released sets - but we can acquire those cards through means such as, well playing magic. limited, draft, pack cracking, all ways to build the collection. all ways to get cards reprint sometimes to make them more available.
skins are okay, they're not mechanically unique cards - and on top of that, well as was mentioned... they're rare. in the past 11 years i've encountered just 2 people playing altered cards. their names were the same (the cards), the art was just different. a demonic tutor with the joker on it can still FEEL like a demonic tutor. if i announce i'm casting demonic tutor people still know what that does. a card named the joker, with a mechanical uniqueness, feels extremely out of place in an established universe.
but this is all nothing new. the walking dead sparked intense backlash, and fierce debate, for weeks. it still sold. the problems were discussed and all there, but people felt the need to buy in for various reasons such as fear of missing out (FOMO), or the idea that the cards would be strong (with some of them seeing legacy play even). so really, the entire concept of this crossover ***** is just exploitation and unless we actively speak with our wallets nothing will change.
the cardboard crack comic is extremely relevant. some would argue it isn't. it'll never get to that point. it doesn't seem like it will right now, but what about in 5 years? how about 10? where will we be in 15? will the game even exist? will anyone seek it out any more if it doesn't even have its own identity? its being treated like its no different than monopoly, that at its heart its still just monopoly despite whats slapped on the board. games like that though, they don't have a fierce identity, they don't have over two decades of flavor and lore. would it be star wars if the jedi were actually my little ponies that pilot helicopters and turn into werewolves or is it just a ******* mess at that point?
other games have done this. other games have failed. other games have been oriented around franchises in other mediums. those games have failed. magic has a tried and proven model that's worked for almost 30 years, and yet decisions are being made that act like its a brand new game without a history, without a history that worked.
nether traitor reprint isn't bad, i don't see it as much lately despite its price climbing in value. so meh, its not a bad card... there are just SOOOOO many more creatures that do this now that its often forgotten. i mean, i still don't see much point on even putting any thought into these reprint cards that were in the block the first time around. big deal. hard to get excited about them.
harvester of souls timeshift into the old border is just an absolute waste. it looks like crap, there are plenty of other things that could've filled that slot that act in a similar manner
no one was really clamoring for reprints of the others, but then again that IS this set. a bunch of garbage no one really asked for, and then some rares/mythics that didn't really need reprints yet, but here we go.
damnation at mythic feels bad and unnecessary. its not the powerhouse black boardsweeper it once was and this is already going to be a difficult to obtain more expensive product, so... yeah
Maybe its just me but I'm not really enthusiastic about this set like I was 15 years ago when Time Spiral Block first came out. I got most of them 15 years ago and I could have bought any at any time during that decade and a half. If the entire set was done in the old style border I might get onboard but the way it stands why would I pay 6 bucks a pack for many cards in this set that I could buy for pennies on the dollar. I guess I'm not the target audience for this one. If they would have made these Pioneer legal I'd be on board as well. I'm just not feeling it this time around. Maybe if the packs were like 3 bucks each I'd be game. I guess there are enough new players out there to justify this set, but I usually buy a booster box or two of product and I doubt I buy more than a pack or two just for the novelty. Too much draft chaff for me. Save my $$$ for Forgotten Realms set.
Yeah i feel the same.
I keep finding myself saying why should i care about this product. Nothing here so far has been demanding a reprint. Its loaded with junk, and we've done this before. Who asked for this and why.
its also disappointing they went with the terrible bloodbraid art
also i just don't like field of ruin
While the old art was good, for whatever reason it doesnt pair well with what the card does and is as a result extremely difficult for me to remember mechanically.
This new art pairs way better.
its okay to be critical of the things we enjoy my guy. especially when we've enjoyed those things and put money into them, for in some cases decades. even more so when those things are headed in directions that, well... we don't enjoy.
if not discussed here, then where? do you just accept it in silence and keep pumping money and time into something that went in a direction you dislike just so you can keep playing it? if it moves in that direction in the future, but you enjoy playing it and your existing cards are still useable, what do you do? do you keep going? do you get outclassed? do you resign and give up on the thing that you love despite having the tools to play the game?
and if you do walk away, from discussing it, from participating, how is that good for the game? how is that good for the community either? at a certain point it just dies.
the only thing that will kill magic is magic. many feel this is a step in that direction, and would prefer to not see that happen. there's nothing wrong with that.
there are a lot of situations where you really can't. not if you, you know... actually want to play magic. if i have a problem with what these mean for the game, and it breaks my immersion in the game space, sure i can choose to walk away from that pod. except maybe now i don't get to play magic all night, maybe the event doesn't fire because there aren't enough participants, maybe i'm now cheated out of prizes because someone knew how much these are despised and that that some people will actively quit. what do you do on turn 8 when one of the 99 is inquisitor eisenhorn? pack up and go? why is that okay to force onto me?
at the same time the people who choose to run these are going to be sitting there going what the ****, these are legit cards, why do these people not want to play me. how is this fair to me. why is that okay to force onto them?
i read a point someone made where it basically says, why is it okay for magic to borrow from all these other IP's and just slap them onto a card, but its not okay for the jedi to come save the day at helms deep or something. there's a reason why an homage is okay, why borrowing with a twist is okay. you see it in wow constantly, its in 40k, its even already in magic and its a fine concept. it takes something and gives it an in universe twist, keeps it relevant to the experience.
this whole concept is just creatively bankrupt. why make innistrad when you can just make the walking dead set, why bother with phyrexians when we can just print up some adeptus mechanicus machine cult cards. **** the weatherlight saga, we're replacing it with the enterprise d. it wears away so much of the experience. so much at the game. it basically says the cards don't matter, the name magic the gathering matters... yet we keep blurring what magic the gathering IS. we don't play magic to play pokemon, or dragonball, or whatever else, we play magic because of the flavor that is magic the gathering.
there's also the bull***** distribution model. put it in a secret lair and it turns out to be good? better hope you had the cash and foresight to buy in! missed the initial printing? well you're probably ****ed because of licensing, have fun! it creates a secondary reserve list and further disenfranchises newer players who might find these cards and think they're cool, but then not be able to obtain them. it also exploits older competitive ones by making them feel forced into a purchase to stay relevant. we already get this from newly released sets - but we can acquire those cards through means such as, well playing magic. limited, draft, pack cracking, all ways to build the collection. all ways to get cards reprint sometimes to make them more available.
skins are okay, they're not mechanically unique cards - and on top of that, well as was mentioned... they're rare. in the past 11 years i've encountered just 2 people playing altered cards. their names were the same (the cards), the art was just different. a demonic tutor with the joker on it can still FEEL like a demonic tutor. if i announce i'm casting demonic tutor people still know what that does. a card named the joker, with a mechanical uniqueness, feels extremely out of place in an established universe.
but this is all nothing new. the walking dead sparked intense backlash, and fierce debate, for weeks. it still sold. the problems were discussed and all there, but people felt the need to buy in for various reasons such as fear of missing out (FOMO), or the idea that the cards would be strong (with some of them seeing legacy play even). so really, the entire concept of this crossover ***** is just exploitation and unless we actively speak with our wallets nothing will change.
the cardboard crack comic is extremely relevant. some would argue it isn't. it'll never get to that point. it doesn't seem like it will right now, but what about in 5 years? how about 10? where will we be in 15? will the game even exist? will anyone seek it out any more if it doesn't even have its own identity? its being treated like its no different than monopoly, that at its heart its still just monopoly despite whats slapped on the board. games like that though, they don't have a fierce identity, they don't have over two decades of flavor and lore. would it be star wars if the jedi were actually my little ponies that pilot helicopters and turn into werewolves or is it just a ******* mess at that point?
other games have done this. other games have failed. other games have been oriented around franchises in other mediums. those games have failed. magic has a tried and proven model that's worked for almost 30 years, and yet decisions are being made that act like its a brand new game without a history, without a history that worked.
all for a short term profit.
harvester of souls timeshift into the old border is just an absolute waste. it looks like crap, there are plenty of other things that could've filled that slot that act in a similar manner
no one was really clamoring for reprints of the others, but then again that IS this set. a bunch of garbage no one really asked for, and then some rares/mythics that didn't really need reprints yet, but here we go.
damnation at mythic feels bad and unnecessary. its not the powerhouse black boardsweeper it once was and this is already going to be a difficult to obtain more expensive product, so... yeah
Yeah i feel the same.
I keep finding myself saying why should i care about this product. Nothing here so far has been demanding a reprint. Its loaded with junk, and we've done this before. Who asked for this and why.