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  • posted a message on [Primer] ABZAN: WBG Abzanimals (Or: Ways To Kill People With Siege Rhino)
    Quote from scasseden »
    That's a bit trickier, because you'll probably want exile effects to counteract Kolaghan's Command. Stocking up on Abzan Charms against Stormbreath isn't necessarily where you want to be though. I think you just try to jam creatures and race with Sorin. Save your nonwhite removal for Stormbreath and use the rest of it on the first dragons you see. Normally I would try to be more disciplined with the removal, but the goal is to put a lot of damage up quickly and then pull away late with Sorin and Rhino, so the earlier you can use your removal the better, since you're saving more damage that way most of the time (and in this case, all of the dragons are basically interchangeable damage generators -- it's not like you're killing Seeker of the Way and running out of gas against Stormbreath).

    Honestly I don't see how a four-color deck routinely hits Roars, Commands and Crackling Dooms and then also hits its dragons, so I think part of it might be bad variance on your end. You're bound to eventually win games just from him tripping on his mana even if he had a 90/10 matchup when his deck works.

    So yeah, don't use a Downfall or Price on not-Stormbreath unless you find a second one, but otherwise go nuts with removal on their dragons and try to bury them before you get run over by flying 4/4s would be my advice.


    Well he does stumble enough for me to squeak games occasionally but seems to always side in 5-6 more removal spells. Asked him today, he plays 14 removal spells after side. I guess i just need to put in a lot of games vs that deck online to get used to it. Quarky home brews get me sometimes...seem to make silly mistakes vs them.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] ABZAN: WBG Abzanimals (Or: Ways To Kill People With Siege Rhino)
    Quote from scasseden »

    Well, your decklist is about as well-tuned for GR Dragons as it gets. If you expect a lot of it then you could try Elspeth in place of Mistcutter Hydra. So instead maybe we should talk strategy.

    A typical GR list will run 24 lands, 10-12 dorks, 12-14 threats, and 10-12 utility/burn spells. The key is to avoid the trap of using removal on their mana dorks most of the time. Dromoka's Command, sure. Fire that off on an Elvish Mystic, whatever. You don't really want to be fighting their 4/4s much anyway (and in the case of Stormbreath, you just can't at all). But you need to save your Charms for Thunderbreak or especially Ashcloud Phoenix, Thoughtseize for Thunderbreak ideally (to avoid the 3 dmg), and Downfalls and Prices for Stormbreath (or in a pinch Thunderbreak). The thing is that they're very light on threat density, where we aren't. Every threat we play can potentially win the game on its own, so they have to work hard not only to answer our guys but to play and make stick other threats as well. You basically want to just ignore their dorks and race them because you have more threats than they do.


    The two R/G decks I've seem to encounter run 0 mana dorks. Mostly removal and mid-level dragons. He uses roar and crackling doom and one of the charms to pretty much hose every guy every turn until 4-5 when flyers start to land. If I kill them, he uses the charm to bring em back. I absolutely need to tune my strategy vs them because I really seem to lose every time. Do I just jam guys and try to save my removal for the stormbreaths?
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  • posted a message on [Primer] ABZAN: WBG Abzanimals (Or: Ways To Kill People With Siege Rhino)
    I'm playing a traditional style of Abzan aggro atm. I do, however, run 2 rocs and two surrak so thats my goofy thing. I'm having a terrible time versus G/R and G/R/x dragons. They seem to be able to put me on the reactive side of magic almost instantly. Roar'ing away my lions or making me sac my deathdealers. Then outclassing rhino's with Stormbreath.
    I run 3x Downfalls for this and have 3x Ultimate price in side and still have big issues.



    Any real help with this would be much appreciated. I seem to rock all the mirrors cause of the surrak and wingmate both being main. Aggro red is pretty simple to mostly due to bad pilots. Esper Drags are a pita sometimes but usually I win game one and can squeak out one more in the next two. G/R dragons of any variant tho....I haven't won a matchup vs them in 4 weeks, 0-5. I can sometimes win game 1 but then I get worn down and lose the next two.
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