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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I agree with KTK here for the most part, but I really hope that they simply unban Preordain if they do anything at all. If there were a longer history of legitimate, unquestionable dominance in Stirrings decks (as opposed to simply having a decent number of T1 decks with no egregious meta shares) I might support a Stirrings ban, but I'd much rather boost the power level of other decks and save bans for truly broken decks like Pod or Eye of Ugin Eldrazi. I don't acknowledge that it's fair that Stirrings is OK but Preordain isn't when we have maybe 3 notable T1 decks that'd use it (UWx Control, GDS and Storm, add to the list if I'm wrong), but I also don't like the idea of removing options when we could just shorten the ban list and see if everyone else can catch up before crippling others.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    For those that are saying that Pod would now be okay in this meta, I'm curious as to what would currently prey on Pod decks that would prevent it from reaching the same level of dominance it had back when it was banned. I didn't play Modern when it was legal, but it seems to have all the tools it would need to maintain the dominance it had then even in this meta
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from genini2 ยป
    Out of the 90 or so day 2 decks 0 of the 8 Twin decks made even top 32. Does anyone know how to calculate the odds of that happening?
    Logically you can't. Twin topping isn't determined solely by chance. The power level of Twin in comparison to the rest of the meta factors into its ability to top, and that unto itself is not mathematically quantifiable. To give another example, if I walk into any Modern tournament with a Standard RB Aggro deck, getting blown out of the tournament likely has less to do with probability and likely a lot more with the fact that the standard Modern deck either can do what I want to do but better or simply has a removal package good enough to deal with my deck before I can gain any ground.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Others have mentioned that it could be lack of preparation by players thinking it would be a combo fest. Ironically, such an environment could be undone by Modern's greatest aggro deck. Eldrazi has Affinity's speed and both TKS and Reality Smasher to mess with midrange and control. I wouldn't have guessed that Eldrazi would steal the tourney, but the results don't surprise me in hindsight
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    While I agree that Stoneforge isn't busted (and arguably Twin), a poor performance in NBL Modern doesn't prove that a card isn't busted in Modern, only that a card isn't busted in a format with an objectively higher power ceiling. The NBL tournaments in the long run will only ever show what needs to stay on the list, not what can come off the list.

    That being said, it does make me laugh that the most busted deck in NBL Modern is the only busted deck I've seen since I started Modern (a little before the Twin ban for perspective). Not super meaningful, but good for a chuckle
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Personally I think the best things that can come out of the new Ravnica set are better multicolored modal spells. I'd love to see something like an improved Izzet Charm or Azoria Charm that can help make sure that Control doesn't draw the wrong half of the deck G1. Not sure what improved versions of those cards that don't outright
    outclass them look like, but I don't think it'd be hard to make a good modal card that can be a 2-of in Modern that doesn't break Standard
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    If it wasn't clear, I'm not saying that Humans are somehow bad. Even with my local meta being skewed the way it is I know that humans are one of the best decks out there. Rather, it seem like a deck was being singled out for its mechanics, not its results. I've always thought that decks should only be judged by results only, not mechanics,and yet some decks, particularly "unfair" decks like 5c humans or, more recently, Tron, seemed to be judged by their mechanics, not their results, and at the end of the day, a deck's mechanics and, by extension, their "fairness", shouldn't ever be a factor in ban discussions.

    Course I've been in exile due to fumigation so maybe I'm just looking for an argument just to maintain human contact :p
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    An I the only only one who thinks Humans gets an unfair rep for the rainbow lands? I come from a LGS with mostly burn and control, but I would think not even being able to run CoCo in a deck that so badly wants it would be a trade off. I think my real question is this: if a deck isn't broken, but can only use creatures of one tribe and colorless cards, is it not OK that they, in exchange for giving up colored non-creature spells, be allowed a rainbow mana base?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Pod was not only banned for the raw amount of meta share it had before being banned, it's one of those cards that simply improves as the pool of creatures and creature-based combos increases over time. I don't see how the meta could possibly power-creep in a way that doesn't inherently power up Pod decks at the same time.

    I don't see why we'd unban Punishing Fire when Jund just got a noticeable boost in power via Bloodbraid Elf. Not only that, I don't see what the card does for the meta other than give Jund and other decks more tools to deal with small creature-based decks. If there were a lot more of them in the meta right now I'd say unban it, but while there are certainly some strong small creature-based decks, they aren't in such prominent numbers that we need a card that can potentially push them out of the meta
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    I'm getting confused about the exact nature of the "Draw-Go Control decks have no free wins" argument (I'm assuming Draw-Go since no one's alluded to 8Rack or Prison decks). Are people arguing that Draw-Go Control should have a T3-T4 god play or sequence of plays that destroys the opponent or locks them out of it?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    @headminerve
    The quick accessibility issue seems pretty easily fixed by just having a table of contents page like the Current Deck Classification thread, though as Xour said the links seem to be broken at the moment.

    Also, will the Current Deck Classification thread ever be updated to include brief descriptions of the decks? It'd be pretty useful for newer players to be able to get a quick idea of what everything does without having to jump into those threads
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    For the most part I agree with the list, but it seems rather odd that Grixis Death's Shadow is listed in Aggro, but Jund Death's Shadow is listed in Midrange. As far as I can tell from what I've seen on camera, both decks have the same strategy and about the same amount of set up. Is there a key difference I'm unaware of that somehow makes GDS significantly faster than JDS?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    Wouldn't the Table of Contents idea lead to faster look ups than the node idea? The node idea requires multiple clicks to browse through each deck description, whereas the ToC would require going to just 1 page and still allow a user to look at descriptions of all the decks, and then it only takes another click. The ToC also avoids worrying about deck classification, which for a large number of users is a large concern
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    At this point, I prefer either option 1 with a strict enough criteria that Established only has about 1 page worth of decks, or option 2 given some form of organization to make looking through decks relatively painless for newer users. Given that organizing the decks into Aggro, Midrange, Control, Combo and Other seems very unpopular, Lantern's idea of creating a sort of Table of Contents seems like a great way to give newer players a quick 1-page guide to potential Tier 1-2 decks without worrying about older players potentially spending days arguing semantics
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changing how the forums are structured - Looking for community feedback
    To add to what idSurge said, I've been going through old top 8s via TCGPlayer, and not including Team events or MOCS, there's over 30 decks that have top 8'd at least once just between December 2017 and now, including a BW Zombie deck, a Grixis As Foretold Goryo's Deck, and a Mono-Red Prison deck (not Skred).

    I think multiple Top 8s within a year or even 6 months would definitely have to be a minimum requirement if you want to keep the Proven subsection under 25 primers.
    Posted in: Modern
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