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  • posted a message on [Mini] Intrigue Mafia - Sign-Up (Closed)
    Quote from poggydude
    my house emblem is a unicorn breathing green fire(is that ok? )

    That would be fine. Smile
    Quote from pinkys_brain
    Mod if a 5 day of uncertain access can be accepted I would like to
    /in

    That is fine, provided you inform me beforehand of your possible absence. Smile

    EDIT: Also, I will need more info from you as per the opening post request.
    Posted in: Old Sign-ups
  • posted a message on [Mini] Intrigue Mafia - Sign-Up (Closed)
    The King was dead. The Time was nigh.

    All across the Kingdom, the small folks were grieving and the nobles were wary.

    Murder, the Queen cried, murder.

    The Spymaster had discovered a secret pact among 3 Great Houses, it was said, a conspiracy to assassinate the King and destabilize the Kingdom.

    Yet, moments before the accusations could specifically be levelled, both Queen and Spymaster vanished without trace.

    More murders, it was whispered, for someone wanted the truth to be silenced.

    12 Great Houses in the Kingdom. 3 were Traitors.

    As the Head of your House, these were treacherous currents to navigate.

    Allies must be sought. Friends must be identified.

    And foes must be annihilated.

    Could you do it?

    ~~~

    Welcome to Intrigue Mafia.

    Reviewer: Arcadic kittybread

    This is a Mini game for 12 players.

    Before signing up for this game, you must note the following:
    1. This is not a Specialty game. This is a Mini game. Simple. Clear-cut. And no funny business.
    2. Flavors are entirely original and simplistic.
    3. In the game, you represent a Great House in a medieval fantasy setting.
    4. The setup of this game is open (mostly). Everything is known to the player (except for some itty-bitty stuff).
    5. All players are vanilla. Know that group abilities like mafiatalk and mafiakill are standard abilities in an all-vanilla game.
    6. There is a set of public abilities in this game. Feel free to use them. Or just play intelligently. Or do both. Whichever you think will help your team wins.
    7. You must not be in 3 games or more. If you are, convince me you can really cope.
    8. Sign-up will last for 3 days or whenever we have 12 players, whichever occurs later.
    9. Candidates will be chosen via a random list generator.
    10. This game will only request for replacements as needed.

    To sign up for this game, you must do the following:
    1. Express your interest right here in the sign-up thread.
    2. Whether you want to be addressed as Lord or Lady in this game.
    3. A short description of your House Emblem. I reserve the right to mangle and hammer your emblem into a few short words if you are randomized in to participate. Or even to give you a new one if your emblem is too complex. Be warned.

    Candidates:
    1. poggydude
    2. Cyouni
    3. pinkys_brain
    4. Arnnaria
    5. DRey
    6. Caex Kothar
    7. Iso
    8. Void
    9. zindabad
    10. Tanarin
    11. MirrorEntity
    12. Archmage Eternal
    13. SharkFinnigan
    14. Emo_Pinata
    15. Wrath_of_DoG
    16. Nis
    17. Reya Cookiebringer
    18. Artifice 101
    19. Charm_Master3125
    20. Albus
    21. Dancing Mad
    22. Sepiriel
    23. Deathjoey
    Posted in: Old Sign-ups
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from MandersHex
    How is it a good point?

    Because it sounds logical and I totally agree with it?

    Le sigh.
    Quote from MandersHex
    How does his comment on loran's ineptitude = crumbling under pressure?

    Attacking loran's ability at scumhunting rather than the points themselves. That is crumbling under pressure.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Since he had already admitted that he was trying to avoid further arguments, what is the purpose of that statement?

    It grates me to see people misusing terms. Like you know, willy-nilly using the term "fishing" as if it's the ultimate mafia holy grail in attacking another player.
    Quote from MandersHex
    What was the point of saying all of this? Are you saying you've never seen me do as such before?

    The point in saying that is that you are wrong. That the way you play mafia is wrong. That such a playing method will come back and bite you.

    Of course, I have seen you do as such before. Which still makes it wrong. Yet you seemed to rely on it. And it still is not going to stop me from saying you are wrong in relying on such.

    And now that Seppel turns up scum, will you actually learn your lesson?
    Quote from MandersHex
    Really? Using a smilie and saying "us townies" is enough for you to vote for someone? I think you are lying. I think you wanted to use it as enough so that you could jump on Iso's wagon, to barn loran, but you didn't want to just barn loran. I mean, you absolutely DID barn loran just by saying "I'll give you one more".

    Yes. Yes, it does. I can make statements like that. Because when I make statements like that, I am confident in its validity. To cite an example, for The Family Mafia, in less than 40 posts, I could say with certainty joboman and Skander were both town and MH was scum. That sort of confidence comes from experience. So yes, I can vote someone just because of that.

    You were talking earlier about how I wasn't like a town Dagger. But do you know what is a town Dagger and how he acts? Apparently you don't.
    Quote from MandersHex
    This entire section is an absolute misrepresentation. Yes, I could have formatted that post better to emphasize my reasons for Iso being town, but they are there. I see no reason for a town player, especially a good one like you, to make such a blatantly false statement.
    A scum, however, would do it to ensue doubt on a town member, as you know I am. (a town member)

    Two things here:
    1. You are citing again the difference in our experiences to gives your own points validity as compared to mine. Don't. If you are going to tout that I have more experience, then you should accept that I know better in this area than you and that I am far more correct as compared to you. You obviously don't think so, and citing as such is just a poor attempt at making your points somehow more valid.
    2. You used the term "blatantly false statement" without actually explaining why it was a false statement that was so blatant that anyone can see it. Unless... unless your entire supporting point was that I have greater experience as compared to you?

    Also, it doesn't matter whether I see you as a town or not. If you are wrong, I am going to speak out. If you are right, I am going to agree with you. I am not going to smile and nod my head at whatever you say just because I am seeing you as town.

    Then that's the issue of me actually seeing you as town. You were not always in my town list. You were in my scum list as well at one point in time.

    That said, I know I am town. You are attacking me. I don't immediately see you as scum. Now, why would the reverse be different? Are you having some sort of different expectation about a mafia game?
    Quote from MandersHex
    The comment you made here was in response to me talking about kill-joy voting for Silent_Prophet. Either you couldn't keep up with what you were talking about, or you slyly switched to be talking about Iso/Tanarin again to ensue more doubt. Both could be likely since you have been busy, but as you've shown no signs of making similar mistakes so far, I believe it is the latter.

    Oh? It is the former. What if it is the former?! What gave you the right to pick one over the other without even asking for my opinion first?!
    Quote from MandersHex
    pinkfloyd said he was wondering what was up with The_Doctor, Reya, and SP. He then elaborated that, since they were lurking hard core, he wondered if they were having RL issues or something. Since pf has flipped town, this begs the question:

    Why did you feel the need to spin his statement as such?

    Spin? It was a question directed towards him. I even added a "?". Clearly I expected a response, from which I can further clarify my read on him.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Reading as town or scum, huh? Could you be any more vague?

    My bad, clearly I need to clarify for those uninformed. "Reading as town or scum" means scumlist. I hope that is not so vague anymore?
    Quote from MandersHex
    So what? What does that tell you? You keep saying synonyms of it being odd, but you never say why? I've explained why I used it, so explain why you think it's odd.

    I am so delighted I touched on this very issue in the previous post. I hope that address your concerns?
    Quote from MandersHex
    Iso will have to forgive me if he's offended, but I find it hard to believe that he's cognizant enough, as scum, to fake having the thoughts loran pointed out as obvious town tells. So for you to continue to instill doubt on his for his previous posts when we both know that town can make stupid mistakes (even though I disagree they made him scummy) is terrible as well.

    You clearly missed the memo where other players stated he seemed scummy as well. And you clearly still are under the impression you knew Iso best as a player better than he did himself. Last of all, you clearly need to be reminded that being town does not make one almighty to the extent of beyond reproach.
    Quote from MandersHex
    This part could be used to show that he's concerned with others clearing their triggers, thus verifying his role is probably what he says it is atm. Problem is, his role in no way clears him as town.

    Never say it did. In fact, it went the other way.
    Quote from MandersHex
    He has provided no reasons for the bolded reads.

    I don't need reasons. Those are my reads over the course of the game. I don't make notes.

    For example, you voted me before you even make a case on me. Or Iso continued to vote me even though his case was debunked. Or jskura voted with no reason as well other than an agree. Clearly you need a reminder on how a mafia game is always played in reality as compared to an ideal situation.
    Quote from MandersHex
    He states "I am reluctant to pursue them at Day 1 since I might very well be wrong in that" and yet lists the only two players he had voted for in the game so far, and those two that he had most fervently pushed for information. The statement is completely insincere.

    This is a completely nonsensical statement. The list was made after said two players were fervently being pushed for information. Obviously I have clarified my read on those two players, which was why I was able to make such a list in the first place.
    Quote from MandersHex
    The point actually does not stand. Dagger said that when Seppel asked for votes, people obliged. pinkfloyd did, but I did not. I had my own reason and only voted after Seppel because he was faster than me.

    Oh yes, the point actually does stand. Be it may that you have your own reason, the fact remains that there were two votes following Seppel's request.

    Let's use your analogy of the lynch -2 wagon thingy on kill-joy, just to rub it in. Just because you voted for your own reason, it was still 2 votes after Seppel's, and not 1.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Dagger states that kill-joy is in his town list because he had a genuine town read on him. DUH. That does not clarify my question which was why. In reviewing Dagger's posts, I see that the ONLY things he's said about kill-joy is that it's strange (and non-town) for him to be so reluctant to vote anybody.

    So, elaborate now, Dagger. Why did you then, and why do you now, think kill-joy is town?

    He was acting like a town then, with a town mindset. I don't actually have a specific post to quote. One cannot point at a post and say "There! This post proves conclusively that he is town!". No such nonsense in mafia. People might attribute certain posts to scum. Far rarer for town. And part of my grilling of kill-joy clarified my own read of him to be leaning town during then. You know, the part where I repeatedly ask him to vote him, etc. etc.
    Quote from MandersHex
    He goes on to say that he's reserving judgment on Tanarin until he knows his actual claim. How did you expect to get that without pressuring him?

    Because of the fact that I didn't actually think Tanarin was scum, and thus didn't deserve pressuring? And all that nonsense Seppel spouted about Tanarin being a role cop was countermand to other possible roles I could see Tanarin having?
    Quote from MandersHex
    221 posts after his first list, he makes another list that also has no reasons. Oh, wait, no, I retract that. It's by PoE that he has made this list. He states players have done things to make him think they are town, and yet has never said any of what those things are. Horrible. Finishes off the post with the second vote on the pinkfloyd wagon. Second to loran, even. Rolleyes

    The list was pretty consistent with my previous. Any major changes I did to the list had been explained.

    Clearly you need to play in more games if you think people create scumlist with reasons for everything. Or wait, are you only just applying it to me in this specific game?
    Quote from MandersHex
    A whole bunch of questions and statements that X is Y alignment, but he's STILL not providing reasons!

    Upon re-reading, there's no doubt that he is scumhunting. However, it reads feigned, especially since he's not providing reasons!!

    Le sigh.

    I provide reasons for my primary scum suspects. I provide reasons for any changes to the scumlist. However, what I am thinking is you are expecting something more for reasons as far as reasons go.

    Something like your case on me, am I right? AM i Right?

    In that case, I don't have the time for such bulky posts. Even your single case on me took you how long? After days and days and one delaying reason after another. And you expect me to do it for players I am reading as town as well?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Iso
    So DM's defense of Dagger is that Dagger is showing emotion?

    Hm.

    I'm more interested in what you mean, DM, by the "I am interested in" on Doc, Roja, and myself.

    And your offense of Dagger is that you just somehow believed Dagger is scum? Even after all your own points were wrong?

    Mystifying.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    No, I don't have enough time to go through. Back home late again and another early day tomorrow. So I will just answer questions.
    Quote from MandersHex
    why did you feel the need to push him for answers on that, Dagger?

    Establishing an early read on another player. By interacting with a player directly, one can generate reads. This is especially vital in the early phase of a mafia game.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Why did you not just vote for him yourself?

    I believe in town consensus in actions directly affecting a player.
    Quote from MandersHex
    When asked what gambit loran could be running, he states he has no idea. What?! This shows that he is attempting to cast doubt on loran's claim, from his first post, without having any logical reason to do so.
    Now, since we know that loran is, at the very least, not mafia, this could be seen (and is by me) as opportunistic scum jumping at a chance to cast doubt where there really should be none. Seriously, it was entirely too easy for us to verify loran's claim. There is no gambit that I can consider as being possible, yet Dagger, who admittedly is much better at the game than myself, thinks it could be a gambit, although he doesn't know what kind it could be.

    This is entirely baseless. One does not have to think up of a reason why in order to pursue something. The act of pursuing in itself is generating information based on reactions upon it.

    Also, you are attempting to establish a groundless logic. You are invoking my experience as the basis of the rationale that what I was doing is scummy. Yet you never considered what I was doing was a higher level play which you have yet to grasp in getting reads out of other players.

    Your supporting point is also erroneous. You are citing loran's towniness as the basis that what I was doing was a scum's action. Yet, I could also say the act of not doubting loran's claim was something a scum will do because a scum knew that to be the truth. Does that make my action any more a scum's than yours?

    I could get used to the usage of bolded words to get across my points. Heh.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ black bolded: Then why were you fishing for information earlier in the game?

    You are using a leading question. Look it up. Fishing is a negative connotation whose usage implies a scum's action.

    What I was doing was attempting to verify something that was already claimed within thread, which if proven true doesn't hurt the town and which if proven false would have gained the town something.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Orange bolded: goading a noob player to vote. I almost wish kill-joy HAD voted at this so that I could see Dagger's response to that.

    Let me tell you this loud and clear, or in this case, bolded to my heart's content:

    A new scum is unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from that player.

    Are you going to dispute the above bolded statement?

    Then you should know that was an attempt on my part to get further reads on kill-joy.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ blue bolded: This is referring to him voting for me. He made the vote in as a random vote. However, the RVS has already ended by this time, yet his vote remains, and he states here "It's not working yet" implying he actually does want a wagon on me. Yet he's said/done nothing to show why I deserve pressure.

    This is nonsensical. I expected better reasoning than this.

    There is no such thing as "this is the part where RVS ended" or "beyond this post, every vote must be considered seriously".

    You are working on the assumption I am scum, and then attempting to slant every post I made to prove that.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Black bolded: This is one of the weakest of scumtells, yet he thinks that's why loran thinks Iso is scum.

    You have much to learn, grasshopper. In mafia, you hunt scums by their mindset.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Orange bolded: I commented on this the first time around, but let's elaborate. He decides to vote for Iso because he used a smilie. This particular smilie goes hand in hand with the joke Iso made, so Dagger voting him for this is just terrible. Awful even.

    Tragic. I am going to repeat again. Mindset. That's the one true way to hunt scums. Every other methods are inferior imitations.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Blue bolded: I made a joke about goading Seppel into posting, and he says Seppel is a scum. Now that we know Seppel was scum, this looks terrible as he's trying to make a joke, but he was absolutely right.

    Ah. What if it WAS a joke?
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Green bolded: As if his "He used 'us townies'" wasn't proof enough, this shows that Dagger had no idea why loran was voting for Iso. Yet he decided to throw his own vote. If he really thought loran had a good point (as made obvious by him quoting loran saying #47 was the reason he voted for loran, then offering his take on why that was valid), why didn't he vote in his first post after loran's own vote? Stay tuned...

    I knew it was mindset. I got the same vibes from Iso. It doesn't have to specifically match what loran had in mind. In case you are still unsure, it's mindset. Mindset.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Manders bolded: Ah, here's why. loran stated that Dagger is also scum, so Dagger has made this post in one big appeal to authority (maybe? Iono. Some kind of appeal, lol) to get in good with loran.

    This here proves my point.

    You have no idea really why I could be scum. Your entire rationale was based on spinning every post I made previously to match the image in your mind I am scum.


    That is horrendous scumhunting.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Dagger, how does him not wanting to vote make him scummy enough for you to pursue him on it?

    Ah, let me quote for you again:

    A new scum is unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from that player.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Orange bolded: Appeasing loran with humor.

    Another leading statement. You used the term "appeasing". I am by nature humorous. But apparently you missed that in all our interactions so far.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ orange bolded: Why didn't you just ask for the information? Why is "If I say I cannot find it..." necessary?

    Well then, let's used your own rationale against you.

    Can you think of any feasible reason why I would say "
    "If I say I cannot find it..." as a scum?

    Then if you cannot think of any reason I could say it as a scum, does that mean I am not scum?

    Quote from MandersHex
    @ bolded: Should I accuse you of the same accusation against Iso? You made a joke and ended it with the exact same smilie, after all.

    Again. Let's use your own reasoning against you. Since you apparently believed those were all indications of someone being scum.

    Why didn't you just accuse me as I did Iso? Why is "Should I accuse you of the same accusation ..." necessary?
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Orange bolded: Why was it a scum's reluctance over a noob town's reluctance?

    Because a noob town by meaning is a person who can never learn no matter how much experience he or she has playing mafia, perpetually horrendous at it and the bane of any game. I think the term you are looking for is a newb town.

    Education aside, it is a scum's reluctance because... dare I quote it again?

    A new scum is unwilling to vote another player because they fear attention from that player.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ Blue bolded: Going against Seppel's theory that there was at least 1 scum in the 3 players with drawbacks. Safe to say, if Dagger is scum, then those 3 truly are town, meaning Reya would be our last scum. (Yes, the last scum is likely in either Roja or Reya. Could be The_Doctor, but I'm not feeling that.)

    Ah. That is premature thinking until you know my alignment for certain. And you will be sorely disappointed.
    Quote from MandersHex
    @ bolded: Dagger is fighting tooth and nail against my statements that the Iso wagon was terrible due to the speed of it. His insistence that Seppel's vote should not be counted because it was purely for reactions is even more terrible. Why?

    Exactly because of the reasons I have highlighted earlier during my "tooth and nail" fight. If you still cannot comprehend the reasons, that means you either skipped over those entirely in your rereading of me or you still have much to learn.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Do you think, if two people had come in and hammered Iso, that the mod would have cared that one was not meant to get him lynched? Absolutely not. Iso would have been lynched, and I find it ridiculously opportunistic for Dagger to push this point against me. The fact that he's doing it subtly makes it even more opportunistic, imo. (By subtly, I mean, he never said I was scum for considering Seppel's vote in my calculations, but he is definitely implying it.

    It's ridiculous because you blasted that wagon for reaching lynch -2 but then ignored the person who put the vote to lynch -2 in the first place. Why didn't you attack Seppel for being scummy then if you thought so badly of the wagon?

    And yea, you were in my scum list, in case you somehow missed that again in your reread of me. I never thought putting your name under a "scum" heading in my list would be subtle.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    48 hours. That's the amount of time I need before I am able to actually read through what I had missed so far. I kept pushing back and back the time I actually need to spend on this game, and on mafia in general right now. I am sorry about that.

    Honestly though, if the game is stagnating to this extent, the best bet is probably to just lynch me and then reconsider the situation tomorrow. That's my reckoning anyway. Apologies for not being of much help to the town so far.

    If you have any questions to ask of me, just state them now and I will try my best to answer them before we go to night. If it's something behavioral related however, I have probably already answered them. It's either you believed them or you did not, and in either case, there's not much point trying to tackle it from different directions.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on (Retired) Mafia Hosting Signups + Player Rules
    Basic #43 - Seance has ended with a Mafia victory.

    There were two replacements, none of which will be named. :p
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Basic Game] [#43] - Seance - The Finale
    Quote from tezzeret12
    Hey, do we get MVP's in basics?

    We do actually, although unfortunately for you, I don't tend to hand out MVPs as a mod. :p

    Feel free to vote on MVPs among yourselves however.
    Quote from pinkfloyd
    Oh and I watched anak night one, and I watched him kill me D:

    Did I? I didn't mean to convey that, though in retrospect, it must have been obvious. -_-

    And now,
    onwards to the game.

    1. No daytalk this time. Learned my lessons from #26. >_>
    2. Again, generic role PMs. Seems like the best way to handle a Basic.
    3. Thanks to Eco and ZDS for hammering out with me the setup for this Basic. I cannot believe I have more problems designing a Basic as compared to a standard normal/specialty game.
    4. Masons are fun. First time I have really used one in a game design. Also, with no Roleblocker on the Mafia's side and only Masons on the Town's, the Watcher is essentially a full cop, if he aimed correctly. :p
    5. Having masons coincidentally, is the main reason I am not including Mentors in this Basic. The last thing I wanted was for Mentors to supersede the Masons in this game. I wanted chatting and discussion between masons, not just as a method of confirmation on alignment. The second thing is that Mentors role are vague enough that I am not really comfortable in including them. Certain things like being pressured with no one to rely on, relying on own's read and judgment, and generally bumbling around learning the ropes on the fly are something I considered vital in the development of a new mafia player, and having what essentially were minor mason groups feels wrong to me. This is personal opinion however. I am sure as time passes by, the role of Mentor will be refined further.
    6. I am not really happy with the flavor writing for this game. The switch to the pronoun "I" was awkward for me, as compared to "you". But it was something I wanted to try to induce a more immersing experience. Not that it actually works better. I think I will stick to "you" in the future. Also, the lack of time available to spend on flavor writing also contributed, which was ironic considering the only power role in the game is the Watcher and the Mafia performing the mafiakill. I hope the ending flavors more than make up for them.
    7. Also, this is probably the last time I will host a Basic. I will stick to more interesting and less restrictive projects from now on. :p

    Now, onto the game itself.
    1. Sir Mu started off as he did made me wonder for a tense moment whether I handed out the role PMs wrongly. XD At any rate, it was funny seeing him go at it, though the newer players might possibly find it distracting and irritating. I enjoyed it however. Smile
    2. Gigas' lynch was a lynch that should not have happened, considering his claim. Still, considering the last 3 votes on him were actually from the Mafia, it might actually be a valid lynch. Of course we know the Mafia will deny it. Wink Still, the town lost one day based on it, and two power roles, since the Watcher was killed the very same night.
    3. The game's speed is very fast, which I approve. :p
    4. At one point of time near the endgame, only the 3 mafiosos were actually posting in the game thread, chatting among each others, plotting the day's lynch for the town. OMG Congrats for a perfect victory, again. Smile
    5. Many thanks to Sir Mu and Weeping Willow for replacing in. I owe you both one.
    6. Did I miss anything else? Oh, thanks to everyone for playing, btw. Having you around made my day. Smile
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Basic Game] [#43] - Seance - The Finale

    How truly lucky.

    I stared grimly at pinkfloyd’s back. Speak of the devil, and he appeared in front of me. He seemed preoccupied however, looking around as if searching for someone or something.

    It mattered not.

    My grip on the hammer tightened. I lick on my suddenly too dry lips. I was about to murder another person.

    Aim for the head. Aim for the head. Aim for the head.

    The first blow staggered pinkfloyd around in surprise. His mouth was agape. He looked stunned. He cradled his suddenly bloodied head.

    “Wha-” was all he managed to get out before the second blow caved in the front of his skull.

    My breath hitched and I felt like vomiting.

    But I persisted. And I hammered. And hammered. And hammered.

    And with every hit, I felt my humanity permanently chipped away bit by bit.

    ~~~

    You have successfully killed pinkfloyd.


    A single step here. A pause here. Another step there. One more pause. Perfectly within the shadows.

    Anaklusmos seemed like a very busy person, constantly moving around.

    I scratched my chin slightly in contemplation. But it was still a dull watch. No one really seemed interested in him.

    I quirked my lips a bit at that. Except myself of course. Still... I quickly sobered. This was not a situation to be amused at mundane things.

    I blinked slightly and started. Anaklusmos was not where he was previously. Where the hell was he-

    I staggered. Pains blossomed at the back of my head. Something wet and sticky dripped down my neck. I stumbled slightly and turned around. My eyes widened in recognition.

    “Wha-” was all I managed to get out, before a second blow hit me right in between my eyes and I positively felt something caved in.

    Not that it mattered anymore of course.

    ~~~

    You have successfully watched Anaklusmos: No one else targeted him tonight.

    You have been killed.


    There was a trickle of red running down the baseball bat.

    I breathed heavily, staring at it.

    I hesitated.

    No, I could not... cannot do it.

    Sepiriel lay unconscious on the bathroom’s floor.

    It was his misfortune that I caught him here unaware.

    But I could not proceed further.

    Spying the water hose, I thought, there was another way.

    I proceeded to tie Sepiriel up.

    And then...

    And then...

    I closed my eyes and turned it on forcefully.

    ~~~

    You have successfully killed Sepiriel.



    I gurgled.

    I choked.

    Still, I swallowed.

    My eyes roved around in panic.

    Help, my mind screamed.

    Helplessly.

    My body struggled.

    It was in vain.

    It was just a quick trip to the bathroom.

    Then there was a blackout.

    And I woke up with a major headache to this.

    Why?!

    No answer was forthcoming.

    Why?!

    I continued to swallow.

    And swallow.

    And swal-

    ~~~

    You have been killed.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Eh, I missed this. It was in another tab on my browser.
    Quote from Roja
    I wasen't talking about your role I was talking about how you said you would have allowed them. Without a discussion first i don't see how this would have been good.

    I have been under the impression that if I force someone to forget, that someone would have been set back in his or her ability. You know differently?
    Quote from Roja
    I wouldn't mind the scum not to trigger their memory.

    I don't trigger memory, which you apparently had missed the point. I induce amnesia, not memory.
    Quote from Roja
    We are in day 2, you said you wanted to get as many memories triggered.. (and you need 7 to trigger your own) so thus you would have needed 7 in a single day to get your memory. Of couse now with Tanarin potentally getting his im sure day 2 could help you out as well.

    I was highlighting a point because MH said I needed 7 days to trigger my memory, so I chose the other extreme. Why is this exactly a point in the veracity of my alignment?
    Quote from Roja
    Then why did you target Reya knowing for him to re trigger it, it could cause SP/JK to be muted?

    I think you missed the part where I said I didn't recall that particular fact when I made my choice last night. Did you miss that part? Are you perhaps ignoring it in favor of pushing forward your point?
    Quote from Roja
    So I was annoyed thus posted that comment with my scum buddy Seppel?

    Indeed. Right on both counts.
    Quote from kill-joy
    Can you quote this for me? I don't remember doing that.

    Iso then. I know someone did. But I remembered wrongly. And Iso has graciously corrected it.
    Quote from Iso
    loran: Oh hey this guy looks scummy
    You: Oh maybe I can get this guy lynched, hmm

    loran: Oh hey this guy looks scummy
    You: Yea, this guy really looks scummy
    Vote3: Oh maybe I can get this guy lynched, hmm
    Vote4: Oh maybe I can get this guy lynched, hmm
    Vote5: Oh maybe I can get this guy lynched, hmm

    Oh, my bad, I suppose there is no basis for the above as well.
    Quote from Iso
    Dagger requires 7 people have their memory trigger. It is implied that he loses his Amnesia-inducing ability if this occurs. Why would he want a member of the town to activate their ability at the risk of losing his own?

    Apparently you know my own role better than I do. Even I have no idea what will happen when I manage to trigger my memory.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Dagger, why are you just giving up? I'm remembering what Cyan says about defeatism.

    I did not just give up. I laid out the options before you and then I left, because by the end of the prior post, I realized I was getting far too incensed and emotionally involved in the arguments. It was something I have been trying to avoid since Lost Mafia.
    Quote from MandersHex
    Have you ever seen Dagger be defeatist before?

    Have you never seen me be defeatist before? Because right off the bat, I can cite OotS Mafia.
    Quote from kill-joy
    Here's how I see it:
    If he's town, he was just recklessly trying to hit his trigger.
    If he's scum, same, plus the added benefit of shutting J down.

    More scum reasons to do it=doesn't make him town.

    What was the reason I gave for doing what I did last night again, and what did you think of that reason?
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Iso
    Firstly, the fact that he and Seppel (Seppel who is obviously scum and Dagger who is striking me as scum) jumped on my wagon. Everyone else who was on my wagon is clearly town.

    Anyone else who thinks this is a valid point please raise their hands. Because I have already explained this and I would be interested to know who else still think Iso is correct on this.
    Quote from Iso
    Secondly, if Dagger truly viewed Seppel as town, why did he insist on pressuring him and Manders for buddying?

    Did I do that? Is that what you think I did? Did I not explain on how one doesn't blindly follow someone else even if one thinks that person is town? Oh maybe I didn't? And since you actually posted that, I guess I didn't. Well, it bears repeating.
    Quote from Iso
    In addition to that, Dagger was not touched by a wagon for stating the same thing I did. That can heavily be inferred as being the case because he is scum. Add that to the fact that he was on my wagon, well...

    Anyone else who thinks this is a valid point please raise their hands. Because I have already explained this and I would be interested to know who else still think Iso is correct on this.
    Quote from Iso
    That, and I really just don't like Dagger vs. Roja.

    Tragic. Roja is still scum however.
    Quote from Iso
    Also, I never saw a new town/scum list from Dagger. Which I would like to see, as he is not lynched yet.

    I already gave you mine. I distinctly remembered I did. I am saying it to you right now I did. In fact, I am going to repeat it to you again and then bold them for good measure, in case you somehow missed them. Again.

    Scums: Roja, Reya, jskura

    And then I am going to add in kill-joy to that list. Because for someone who was essentially silent throughout the whole Dagger issue, he sure raised a lot of hackles immediately upon loran's unvote.
    Quote from loran16
    If I'm reading correctly (and admittedly I just skimmed), Dagger's comments on Manders were for BARNING Seppel. In other words, it wasn't that "Manders is agreeing with Seppel who is scum, thus Manders is scum" but that "Manders is not giving original thought and is trying to hide behind the ideas of someone who is."

    Yes. That is along the line of what I said.
    Quote from loran16
    Ummm, you weren't wagoned for that. At all. (Also please think about it: your wagon was started by myself really and had several others you think of as town on it. If your wagon WAS started for the reason you think, why wouldn't the townies have attacked Dagger for it also?)

    Spot on.
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "Did the whole town collectively decide that Roja was town. No, they didn't. Ergo, the situations are not comparable. If everyone but you has come to the conclusion that a player was town, put evidence in the thread, and you were still the only one that believed they were scum, would you be reconsidering your position or continuing to push an attack that has already been debunked by others?"

    Who didn't think Roja was town before I brought it up? People only started looking when I highlighted it. Also, in that scenario you stated, it depended on the evidence. If I believed the evidence is not solid, I would continue the push regardless of what other people think.
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "Why in the world does it matter who brought it up first?"

    None whatsoever. I saw the statement and I made a comment. And since you actually responded to it, why? Does it matter?
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "Would you do us the pleasure of explaining why you think I should be a cop target?"

    Because I am getting ced-vibes from you. That means you should be copped.

    Feel free to disagree.
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "And without knowing the source, how in the world do you think you're going to decide it for yourself?"

    And the alternative is to blindly accept? You would advocate that position?
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "It seems that you are agreeing that that could be the case, it's just that you see it differently. So, if someone gives you a plausible explanation, you are purposefully going to just look past it if you see them as scum?"

    Plausible by whose standard? Not all are made equal. If I doesn't agree with it, I am not going to just bend over to accept it.
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "Guess what? That's exactly why unilateral vigging is a bad idea. With regards to loran, no harm no foul, but as a good general rule, it just shouldn't be done. If you were town, you should have looked at your ability and realized that it more or less was no different."

    Did you for a single instance believed the choice of my target was unilateral? Did you somehow miss the rationale I gave for the decision on my choice?
    Quote from The_Doctor
    "O...k"

    The names are in reverse order, fyi.
    Quote from Roja
    So once he acheives his monkier he cannot be trusted as a "roleblocker" as he suggested...

    Huh?
    Quote from Roja
    Correct, I find the role to be more scummy then townie. Also how Dagger is trying to "sell" the role I find he is doing it in more of tricky manner. Mostly the question to be asked is what happens after he "loses" this ability then? How much "help" can he be for the town. (Role speaking of course..)

    I effing don't bloody know what happens after I gain my memory. How the hell do you know I will lose my ability? And I can still scumhunt even if I am an impaired vanilla town with like 1 vote lynch threshold. Must I even be a power role to do anything to help the town?
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    I will catch up and post something tomorrow. Am rather tired right now.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Basic Game] [#43] - Seance - The Finale
    1. Setup
    9 Town (2 Masons, 1 Watcher) – 3 Mafia

    1.1. Town

    Masons:
    Ability: You have a twin, who is <Mason>. Ever since the initial incident, you have had a chance to speak with <Mason>, and you are beyond certain that <Mason> is Town. During Night, you may speak with <Mason> in this masonchat . Take note that this link cannot be given to anyone else.

    Watcher:
    Ability: You have always had keen senses, with an eye for details. You are a good Watcher. Every Night, you may trail a single person secretly, observing who came into contact with that person, however brief it may be.

    1.2. Mafia

    Mass PM:
    Mafia: <Mafia1>, <Mafia2>, <Mafia3>
    Flavor: There was a voice whispering beneath your subconscious. Of blood craved. Of life hungered. Of soul desired. Sacrifices, it screamed. No, it demanded. Yes, it insisted. And your will buckled beneath the terrifying presence. Suffocating. Overwhelming. Constricting. It offered only one thing in return, freedom. Freedom from this nightmare and madness. Away from it all. Yearn for it. Grasp the offer. Or become part of the ritual, in all but name. And embrace the utter finality and futility of it. Sacrifices. Sacrifices. Sacrifices...
    Ability: You three had been chosen by the malicious Will. During Night, you must plot, under the cover of darkness, in this mafiatalk. Do note you cannot give this link to anyone else. In addition, you must agree on a single person among you three every night, in which you will send to perform the mafiakill on a single player. The action itself may be submitted within the mafiachat or via PM, by one of you.
    Win Condition: The Mafia must equal or more than non-Mafia.

    Extra Notes:
    1. Gigas1 and InUtterDarkness are the Masons.
    2. pinkfloyd is the Watcher.
    3. Anaklusmos, pinky_brians and tezzeret12 are the Mafia.
    4. Spectator group

    Also, I really need to sleep right now, so I will just post the post-game thoughts and night action flavors tomorrow instead. Sorry about that. Redface
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  • posted a message on [Basic Game] [#43] - Seance - The Finale
    Votecount
    NightArcher (5) - InUtterDarkness, Anaklusmos, kill-joy, Scarius, tezzeret12

    It takes 5 to Lynch with 8 alive.

    As of this post, NightArcher has been lynched.

    ~~~

    tick.

    My heart pounded deep within my chest. My blood rushed to my head as I just lunged.

    A snarl.

    A crash.

    A porcelain vase was hurled across the room and shattered into the head of the person next to me. He went down for the count, something red splattering across my eyes and left cheek.

    I scrambled up the stairs, chasing after NightArcher who persistently refused to just die.

    There was another scream.

    A roar answered back challengingly.

    Didn't he see? Didn't he understand? He must die. He must die. For us. For everyone. That is the only way.

    My hands reached out blindly and grabbed a table lamp, the nearest thing I could swipe as I thundered up the stairs, hot on the heels of NightArcher. Behind me, there was a cacophony of sounds as more people followed.

    In two seconds, we were at the second floor. Still, he was not fast enough. I was faster.

    I snarled and the table lamp was arched around in a maddened swing, right at NightArcher's head.

    He ducked! He ducked! My eyes widened as a fist was lashed out, faster than I could see and slammed into my jaw. Pain flared and I felt something dislocated. I stumbled backward and fell down the stairs.

    More feet thundered past me. More feet jumped over me. More feet stampeded over my body and I felt every bump and slam as I slid further down the stairs.

    A glint of metal. An arch of red. And suddenly there was a mass of bodies on the second floor and there were screams.

    Screams of pain. Of fury. Of despair and the need to kill and survive.

    Why wouldn't he understand that he needed to die?!

    I wept. I crawled. My jaw felt numb as I tried to scramble up the stairs on all four, to join the spree.

    It ended? Wait, it ended?

    The melee had ceased. And there was jubilation. Someone cheered. And laughed. And sobbed in pain.

    I felt like crying too. Did we succeed? Tears streamed down my cheeks.

    I coughed and hacked, sending rackets of pain up my jaw. And something red splattered down my chest.

    I wiped at my face with my hands and then stared at it.

    It was not tears. It was blood and I am crying it.

    No no no no.

    Oh god, no no no no.

    The edges of my fingernails started to bleed. Something was gurgling itself out of my throat. My eyes started to feel sticky and gummy. And all I could see was red red red red.

    Oh god. Oh god. No no no no.

    I clawed my own eyes out.

    ~~~

    Sweet silence.

    "You are free. The bargain has been fulfilled."

    There was a mocking rasping laughter that rattled at your ear-drums and clawed at something primal within you.

    You rejoiced. For you are free. You survived. At the expense of the others, but you survived.

    You laughed with joy. Your heart burst with euphoria. After days of nightmare, it had finally ended.

    You rushed out of the house, slamming through the door, your companions hot on your heels. It gave no resistance. With each step, you could breathe the sweet smell of freedom.

    You are free!

    You stumbled to a halt and gasped.

    The first thing you noticed was that the moon was red. And impossibly large. And there were two.

    Two red moons.

    Like a pair of bleeding eyes, staring at you.

    Then to your stark despair, you realized that it was a jungle out there. But it was unlike any jungle you had ever seen.

    The vegetation were warped and twisted. The trees were monstrous and leering. Thorns and spikes and flowers jagged with yellowed teeth.

    In the undergrowth, there were suddenly dozens of eyes, each pair inhuman, abnormal, terrifying, and promised even more pain.

    No. No. This was not home!

    There was a bargain! You were promised freedom!

    "I did. Now be free."

    A guttural voice soothed, caressing the depth of your soul like an intimate lover.

    "Be free, my pets."

    NightArcher, Town Vanilla was lynched Day 3.

    ~~~

    And... the game has ended. I am aware that there are still 4 towns alive against 3 mafioso but at this point of time, everything is just a formality. Since it was made clear that the doctor was dead and everything, the mafiakill is a guaranteed hit. Don't really feel like keeping the suspense going on unnecessarily longer. :p

    The Mafia has won the game with a perfect victory!

    Congratulations to them. Smile

    Setup and thoughts coming in awhile.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    You know what. Lynch me. You can eliminate a potential roleblocker that you all so feared to set your heart at ease.

    Then you will know that there are 2 scums out there, and that they are among you.

    Just take note that eliminating potential scums read left and right based on a few reads here and there is dangerous. But yea, take note of it after you have my alignment for certain.

    Signing out.
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