Hey guys, something unexpected has come up for me at work and I'm going to have to replace out of this game as I can't keep up the level of activity and investment for a next month or two. You know what my reads are. TappingStones is scum. Tomsloger is a good vote too. Don't ever lynch Nachomamma8. He's town. Hopefully, I see you guys again when I have more time to spare.
But that's fine. You're probably scum as well and if not, you're pretty terrible at this game. I'll just wait for the better players to show up and quickvote the hell out of this dude.
his good points are that you are actively hostile and lashing out at your attacker.
and for the record, i did not find anything you said insulting. im cool with people finding me annoying, just as you should be cool with people thinking youre an ass.
his reaction to your hostility is, frankly, expected. what about it makes you think scum?
Wow, I can't believe someone is this obviously scummy. Usually, scum try to cover up their tracks and not try to be obvious. I just hope the playerlist is good enough to recognize that we have a pretty clear cut case here because the only way TappingStones doesn't insta-lynched is if the town is bad beyond belief.
What you consider game relevant is different from what others consider game relevant. Right now you come across as a new player, nervous and lashing out at everyone who is interacting with you.
I've played quite a lot of mafia elsewhere and I don't think I've hidden the fact that I'm experienced at all so this looks more like you are trying to discredit my suspicion of you. New players don't often scumhunt the way I did or use the types of arguments I've used. You also haven't answered my question. How much mafia experience do you have? The only way I can see you coming to this conclusion is you yourself are new. The types of arguments you are using "you are confrontational and hostile" aren't things even a moderately experienced player would say nor is it something that one would focus on in the first place. It looks like you are throwing out buzzwords without actually understanding the motivations behind how players behave.
I'm not going to continue this nonsensical discussion as I want to see others weigh in.
You said "I didn't know whether tom was a native speaker or not." Now you are saying "Tomsloger's poor punctuation and capitalization make his posts tedious to read and understand." These are your words. They clearly reflect different meanings. The most recent one is a backpedal. You are backpedaling and not well I might add. Now this doesn't mean you are scum but why are you being so weird and throwing out obvious lies? I think Tom's current game is much different than his last game, that has been a standout for me in this early game but you've really brought the spotlight onto yourself. It doesn't make sense. Bad town or scum?
Yes, I said his posts were tedious to read and also that I wasn't sure that English was his native language, and yes they reflect different meanings. What os it? How is it a backpedal? Are you making ***** up now? Continue bull*****ting scumbag, lol.
I don't buy this. He's shown nothing that would lead any sane person to believe he is a non-native speaker. I live in China and deal with non-native English speakers on a daily basis (who come from all over the world) I don't see any reasonable way for you to make this suggestion without trying to be insulting. I'll also address the posts which are further down the line as I don't want to double post. I never mentioned any scum motivations. I'm just curious on your behavior as I've already explained. The "fanning the flames" comment is bizarre. I clearly showed that I wanted you to stop, hence my comments that if you can't understand my English I would use simpler words.
We're discussing this only because you decided to make it a point of discussion. If you disagreed with me, all you had to do was not comment on that post. But you did. You want him to be mad at me for insinuating that he wasn't a native speaker which is why you are entering into an extensive discussion with me about whether he sounds like a native speaker to you. You wanted me to stop suggesting that tomsloger wasn't a native speaker is ridiculous because I only said it once. You decided to poke and prod at it to instigate conflict. You then wax eloquent about how everything about tomsloger suggests that he's a native speaker hoping that he'd cheer you on from the sidelines.
YOur attitude is very relevant to your alignment. YOur currently the only player that seems to be reacting with such hostility and I really want to know why. Maybe it's something that will help me clear you as town later, maybe it will lead to you being caught as scum. It's presently unclear.
I've explained my rationale for being confrontational. I'm more interested in why you are looking at non-alignment indicative things that are playstyle tells at best. How long have you played mafia?
Then you make the weird post about me not commenting on you not commenting. Huh? I suggested you check out his last game. If you do great, if you don't then that's just less data for you to work with. You're certainly not required to do so. I wasn't waiting on you to give me feedback. Strange...
The question is not about the amount of data I have to work with. It is about whether you are making an attempt to read me based on the information I've posted in the thread.
Basically you lied when you said that you weren't sure Tom was a native speaker because it was quite obvious that you were trying to be hostile, which is all well and good, but it didn't get by me and then your OMGUS vote on me didn't do you any favors. I picture you nervously at the keyboard, typing without contemplation with shaky hands...and I want to know WHY? What is the motivation?
Lol, this is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever read. If you want to read me, why haven't you commented on anything game-relevant I've posted so far? Why are you continuing to harp on about the native speaker bull*****?
If you have trouble understanding my English I can use simpler words, don't worry!
The potshot at the end here is also very well-timed. I never said I had any trouble understanding TappingStones's English. What I said was that tomsloger's poor punctuation and capitalization make his posts tedious to read and understand. This misses the point entirely.
I'm confrontational because it is a great way to induce alignment indicative responses from other players. Scum and town often react very differently to being aggressively pushed and challenged on their viewpoints. I press players hard early game to drive the game forward and push people into committing to positions and taking stances. This is especially useful in multiball because most scum will be genuinely hunting for the other scumteam. However, the one difference even in multiball is that the scum care about their survival much more than town and will alter their behavior to increase the chances of survival even if their scumhunting takes a hit. I won't go into the exact details until later on in the game as I don't want to give scum a checklist.
Thus far, TappingStones is my strongest read that eclipses my scumreads on any other player and it is at a different level than any of my other votes or suspicions. Fanning the flames is often a very strong scumtell.
TappingStones is using the fact that I suggested that English isn't your native language to manipulate you into turning against me. Anyone who's played more than a couple of mafia games know that being confrontational or insulting players (which I haven't done by the way) isn't a scumtell. TappingStones trying to bring it into the limelight and make it a focal point of discussion shows that he wants to spread discord and arguments between the two of us. He did this to the exclusion of commenting on anything else I said in that post strengthens my scumread.
Check out Day one of Tom's last completed game Predator Mafia. He was the town doctor and spammed the thread until he was day killed by the neutral.
You've also specifically asked me to look at Tom's completed game which I ignored completely to vote Tom for my own reasons and you made no comment on that either.
I didn't know whether tom was a native speaker or not. If he's isn't, that would have been fine but if he is, I suggested that he be clearer in his posts.
What scum motivation do you see in being confronational? Why is a passing remark about tomsloger of more interest to you than a seven point case? It looks like you are trying to fan the flames by squinting to find "insults" whereas if you cared about finding my alignment, you'd be focusing more on the game relevant content that I've made in that post.
^This looks like you're reading way too much into the very first post of the game...
I love that some people talk about RVS like it is some sort of "safe haven" when nothing you do can be questioned. Personally, I find that line of thinking lazy, noobish, garbage. Reads can be formed as early as post one.
You've been very neutral in your assessment of me. What does the fact that I'm reading a lot into the first post of the game tell you about my alignment?
Mod, please replace me.
Um, are you reading anything all that he posted?
I've played quite a lot of mafia elsewhere and I don't think I've hidden the fact that I'm experienced at all so this looks more like you are trying to discredit my suspicion of you. New players don't often scumhunt the way I did or use the types of arguments I've used. You also haven't answered my question. How much mafia experience do you have? The only way I can see you coming to this conclusion is you yourself are new. The types of arguments you are using "you are confrontational and hostile" aren't things even a moderately experienced player would say nor is it something that one would focus on in the first place. It looks like you are throwing out buzzwords without actually understanding the motivations behind how players behave.
I'm not going to continue this nonsensical discussion as I want to see others weigh in.
His "good point" was telling me that you were a native english speaker?
I get scumvibes off of both of you but I feel reasonably sure you're not scum together which probably means scum on opposite teams.
Yes, I said his posts were tedious to read and also that I wasn't sure that English was his native language, and yes they reflect different meanings. What os it? How is it a backpedal? Are you making ***** up now? Continue bull*****ting scumbag, lol.
We're discussing this only because you decided to make it a point of discussion. If you disagreed with me, all you had to do was not comment on that post. But you did. You want him to be mad at me for insinuating that he wasn't a native speaker which is why you are entering into an extensive discussion with me about whether he sounds like a native speaker to you. You wanted me to stop suggesting that tomsloger wasn't a native speaker is ridiculous because I only said it once. You decided to poke and prod at it to instigate conflict. You then wax eloquent about how everything about tomsloger suggests that he's a native speaker hoping that he'd cheer you on from the sidelines.
I've explained my rationale for being confrontational. I'm more interested in why you are looking at non-alignment indicative things that are playstyle tells at best. How long have you played mafia?
The question is not about the amount of data I have to work with. It is about whether you are making an attempt to read me based on the information I've posted in the thread.
Lol, this is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever read. If you want to read me, why haven't you commented on anything game-relevant I've posted so far? Why are you continuing to harp on about the native speaker bull*****?
The potshot at the end here is also very well-timed. I never said I had any trouble understanding TappingStones's English. What I said was that tomsloger's poor punctuation and capitalization make his posts tedious to read and understand. This misses the point entirely.
Thus far, TappingStones is my strongest read that eclipses my scumreads on any other player and it is at a different level than any of my other votes or suspicions. Fanning the flames is often a very strong scumtell.
TappingStones is using the fact that I suggested that English isn't your native language to manipulate you into turning against me. Anyone who's played more than a couple of mafia games know that being confrontational or insulting players (which I haven't done by the way) isn't a scumtell. TappingStones trying to bring it into the limelight and make it a focal point of discussion shows that he wants to spread discord and arguments between the two of us. He did this to the exclusion of commenting on anything else I said in that post strengthens my scumread.
You've also specifically asked me to look at Tom's completed game which I ignored completely to vote Tom for my own reasons and you made no comment on that either.
What scum motivation do you see in being confronational? Why is a passing remark about tomsloger of more interest to you than a seven point case? It looks like you are trying to fan the flames by squinting to find "insults" whereas if you cared about finding my alignment, you'd be focusing more on the game relevant content that I've made in that post.
Unvote: tomsloger
Vote: TappingStones
I love that some people talk about RVS like it is some sort of "safe haven" when nothing you do can be questioned. Personally, I find that line of thinking lazy, noobish, garbage. Reads can be formed as early as post one.
You've been very neutral in your assessment of me. What does the fact that I'm reading a lot into the first post of the game tell you about my alignment?