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  • posted a message on Making all Modern frame cards Modern legal?
    I see you Professor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3FQTHMG_nI



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    Quote from urweak »
    Would it be wrong to ban a bunch of the cards already identified in this thread as problematic? Just because True-Name Nemesis has protection from just about everything, doesn't mean it has protection from being banned.

    Quote from foam_dome »
    How would this apply to cards that received modern-frame printings in online sets? Dual lands and power were printed in Vintage Masters, would you want those to be added to Modern's card pool?

    How about cards that were given modern-frame promo versions? Survival of the Fittest, Yawgmoth's Will, Natural Order, Force of Will, Mana Crypt, etc.?

    (These questions are all rhetorical, by the way - I'm thoroughly convinced that such a decision would have terrible repercussions)


    This would apply to paper printings only. Also, some of the cards you listed are reserved list cards that were reprinted under a loophole. They would effectively be un-set level cards (silver boarder), and unplayable. This is because they shouldn't have been allowed to be reprinted under currently interpretations of the RL.
    First, that seems arbitrary and irrelevant as the policy at the time they were printed allowed them to be printed. Are you suggesting that anything that wouldn't be printed now (for whatever reason) would not be allowed?

    Second, this opens up the format to a lot of cards that are questionable at best. While some cards are not insanely overpowered (though others are), they can potentially push many different different strategies to broken status. Looking through about 800+ cards (and this isn't even all of them that would be included in your hypothetical scenario), here are the ones that seem the most concerning:



    Some, like Sinkhole, may not actually be that bad but I included them here just to give an idea of some of the cards that would be included. Things like Berkerk and Invigorate power up Infect to a pretty big degree. Natural Order can be a turn 3 Progenitus. Price of Progress and Fireblast could push Burn up to an intolerable level. Armageddon and Winter Orb are miserable to play against. Channel is banned in every format it can be banned in. Cabal Therapy might not be bad, but it is on the line. Same with Coffers. Entomb + Reanimate/Animate Dead/Exhume can push Reanimation strategies, such as those with Griselbrand, pretty high. And they are not limited to Legendary creatures so even getting back something like Inkwell Leviathan can be devastating.

    And, of course, the fast mana. Dark Ritual, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Lotus Petal are way too good. Lotus Petal is probably on the fence since Simian Spirit Guide exists but being able to go into any deck is troubling.

    I even left some off this list (like Memory Jar) because of your weird condition about reserve list cards.

    Again, I am not saying all of these are necessarily problematic and some may find their way to Modern eventually if Modern Horizons becomes a regular thing. But, there is no way that a change like this isn't accompanied by huge swaths of bans along with a massive upheaval in the metagame. Introducing new cards is fine; completely overhauling the format overnight is not.


    My point about reserved list cards, is that they were reprinted via a loophole, and by today's standards, those reprints are considered a mistake. It's not weird for current policy to align with a new potential policy. IE, they are not eligible for being reprinted today, so they would not be eligible for Modern legality.

    Also, a number of the cards you listed are only reprinted in specialty sets like FTV, judge foils or as lottery cards. These specialty, limited run cards should also not be considered.


    Anything that falls through the cracks from there, that is too powerful for Modern, just ban it.


    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Making all Modern frame cards Modern legal?
    Would it be wrong to ban a bunch of the cards already identified in this thread as problematic? Just because True-Name Nemesis has protection from just about everything, doesn't mean it has protection from being banned.

    Quote from foam_dome »
    How would this apply to cards that received modern-frame printings in online sets? Dual lands and power were printed in Vintage Masters, would you want those to be added to Modern's card pool?

    How about cards that were given modern-frame promo versions? Survival of the Fittest, Yawgmoth's Will, Natural Order, Force of Will, Mana Crypt, etc.?

    (These questions are all rhetorical, by the way - I'm thoroughly convinced that such a decision would have terrible repercussions)


    This would apply to paper printings only. Also, some of the cards you listed are reserved list cards that were reprinted under a loophole. They would effectively be un-set level cards (silver boarder), and unplayable. This is because they shouldn't have been allowed to be reprinted under currently interpretations of the RL.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Official Future Shifted card speculation
    Does anyone thing we will see a FS printing in Modern Horizons? Maybe some snow permanents like Centaur Omenreader?
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Making all Modern frame cards Modern legal?
    Years ago, cards from the Portal Sets and Starter sets were not legal in the Eternal formats Vintage and Legacy, but that changed around the early 00's. Could we see a similar occurrence here when Modern Horizons hits? Has there been any official statement to say that this will not happen?
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  • posted a message on Green Merchant Scroll
    Bring to Light is the closest thing that exists.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Bubble Hulk
    Has anyone eyed the new Heartwarming Redemption? Seems interesting to me. At instant speed, it seems powerful, as so much of the discard effects in the deck are mainly sorcery speed.
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on Official Future Shifted card speculation
    Quote from Manite »
    This thread's been necro'd three times!? That's an academy record!


    This thread is from 2010, it's been necroed many times and will continue to be, simply because of the nature of the thread.

    Edit: Also, if anyone is keeping track, it's been necroed at least 6 times.

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    It was Narcomoeba in Guilds of Ravnica.


    It was already reprinted once (Modern Masters). So it is marked on the list as a reprinted card.
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    Can't really count sets that only consist of reprints, sadly that means that some cards will never return to standard (like 'goyf)


    Actually you can, and that's what I have been doing for almost 9 years now. The whole point of this thread is to speculate on what future shifted cards will be reprinted in coming sets. While also indicating when a future shifted card has been printed with a non-future shifted card frame.
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  • posted a message on UR Shape Anew
    Quote from idSurge »
    Necro!

    Did folks give up on this? I've added Saheeli Rai to my UR shell and it hasnt been too bad. Its still one of the only T4 UR combo's like twin. That I've had any success with. :]


    Double Necro (Hello 2017)!

    Speaking of Saheeli, there is the new Saheeli, Sublime Artificer. Every set I look at the new cards with this deck in mind, a few have seemed like good candidates, but not enough to push the deck into competitive play. I suspect, or am at least hopeful, that one or more cards will be printing to make this deck competitive.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Official Future Shifted card speculation
    Quote from krishnath »
    It was Narcomoeba in Guilds of Ravnica.


    It was already reprinted once (Modern Masters). So it is marked on the list as a reprinted card.
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  • posted a message on Totally lost reprint
    Quote from Marquisd »


    https://twitter.com/Theasianavenger/status/1113199801917628416

    Is that a statue of Bolas on Ravnica?


    I guess it's part of some hard line policy to never reprint stuff that would bounce lands ever again. But at 5 CMC, you would think they could allow this card to bounce anything. Have they said something like Boomerang is too good for Standard?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [WAR} Official War of the Spark Trailer!
    If anyone cares, this is the actual cover.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNeLUngb-Xg


    Quote from Bhogal83 »
    The music was also super cringe.


    The phrase "super cringe", is super cringe.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Official Future Shifted card speculation
    Well, just noticed that Grave Scrabbler was reprinted in Ultimate Masters. After over a decade, we are almost at 50% of reprinted future shifted cards (39/81).

    Anyone have any thoughts on what might make its way into Modern Horizons? If anything?
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on No More MSRP
    Quote from Colt47 »
    I love the smell of corporate in the morning. :p

    I don't buy it for a second that getting rid of MSRP is good for the consumer. That's basically giving less information and saying that less information is good for us when their entire problem has been a lack of communication, bad set design, and refusal to improve card quality in the long term due to financial pressure from the stockholders.

    Not to mention, this just looks like them trying to get even further away from the possibility of admitting there is a secondary market.


    Agreed. Imagine if you went to buy a new car and there was no MSRP for the vehicle you wanted to buy. The feel bad experience you would have at that dealership is probably similar to the one people are going to experience with new MTG products.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Dovin, Grand Arbiter (The Mana Source preview)
    I am very surprised no one has mention Shape Anew here.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on UW Shape Anew
    So is Dovin, Grand Arbiter what this deck finally needed?
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
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