This is great for EDH since it won't piss your opponent off. Great politics card.
If you nuke my utility land and ramp my other opponents in the process I'm not going to be happy with you. This card is hot garbage in multiplayer unless you can work around it and even then I don't think it's worth the effort.
There are enough land destruction lands that don't ramp the table out there for Commander that there's really no reason to ever use this. I'd like to say I'm surprised so many people are falling for this but honestly I'm not.
Well if you are that type of player who is going to visibly or verbally be upset that I ramped other opponents, I can totally see the other players attacking you out of UMADBRO? kind of mentality. I would be very happy to blow up your land in the process too.
Really? I was using your own framing of the situation, since apparently you were worried about 'pissing off' your opponents with land destruction.
This is great for EDH since it won't piss your opponent off. Great politics card.
If you nuke my utility land and ramp my other opponents in the process I'm not going to be happy with you. This card is hot garbage in multiplayer unless you can work around it and even then I don't think it's worth the effort.
There are enough land destruction lands that don't ramp the table out there for Commander that there's really no reason to ever use this. I'd like to say I'm surprised so many people are falling for this but honestly I'm not.
Take care of an annoying nonbasic and help move the game along for everyone? This is great.
You're not moving the game along for everyone. You're leaving the opponent you target with this relatively neutral, ramping and giving card advantage to the players not targeted with this, and leaving yourself card neutral and down tempo. It's a pretty big card and tempo swing to the players you don't target.
Better? Yes. Strictly better? No. Please learn your MtG vocabulary.
So let me get this staight
All because it's just 1 Weasley mana source exspensive being strictly better is off limit?
I'm sorry but your the one who needs a vocabulary not me.
It's just 1 mana more that's it and it's because of flash and a +2/+2 more powerful than fungusaur
This is strictly better despite being one more and you know it get over it.
Strictly better has a specific definition, it doesn't mean "more betterer". It doesn't matter if it costs 1 Weasley mana more or 20 Granger mana more. If it costs more mana, it is not strictly better. End of story. Another poster was nice enough to explain it in great detail for you and you're still arguing about this like a petulant kid? You're wrong.
You must be selectively remembering your own posts. It was you right, posting the gif of the table flip?
That was my point. It's not adding anything to the discussion. You'd have been better off not saying anything, or maybe having a go at phrasing your opinion in a critical, useful way wherever possible.
I always find it curious that people take such issue with complaints and criticisms about spoiled sets "not adding anything to the discussion" but have no problem with the endless completely worthless "OMG THIS CARD IS IN THE SET I NEED TO BUY A BOX RIGHT NOW!!!!" posts.
Well let's be honest, naive empty negativity, there because someone just wants to vent and doesn't really have a filter, is harmful.
The same can't really be said for naive excitement and positivity.
I'd have thought that was fairly obvious? These aren't two sides of the same coin, they have different social effects entirely.
Anyway that's that.
I'm excited that aether vial is seeing a reprint. I already have mine, but as a card that's always had immense casual interest it'll be great for more people to get their hands on them
I disagree that unfiltered naive positivity about consumer products is a good thing, especially when we're talking about a consumer product that is designed to exploit gambling impulses. A hype echo chamber benefits no one except Hasbro shareholders.
You must be selectively remembering your own posts. It was you right, posting the gif of the table flip?
That was my point. It's not adding anything to the discussion. You'd have been better off not saying anything, or maybe having a go at phrasing your opinion in a critical, useful way wherever possible.
I always find it curious that people take such issue with complaints and criticisms about spoiled sets "not adding anything to the discussion" but have no problem with the endless completely worthless "OMG THIS CARD IS IN THE SET I NEED TO BUY A BOX RIGHT NOW!!!!" posts.
Pointless and repetitive posts that are positive are just as bad as ones that are negative. But when someone complains about them reprinting Mana Drain of all things, there's a certain level of absurdity there that needs to be called out.
It seems silly on the surface but I see his point. We all know there's a finite amount of 'value' that Wizards will put in these sets, and for every Mana Drain they include that's a bunch of more "important" reprints that they won't include in order to keep the total value of the set down. Like Mana Crypt in Eternal Masters this probably won't lower the price to the point where it becomes affordable to *most* players so it's really just a flashy lottery ticket card instead of something that could lower the price of Modern or increase access to some far more useful Commander staples.
Channel is sutch a waste of a card slot. Why they reprinted it other then been iconic? Alot of toehr cards aren't iconic so WHY?!
Wasting a card slot is entirely the point. Honestly, are folks still surprised by this? Every Masters set is the same story. They are really conservative with reprints in these sets so the majority of the rares and mythics will be filler.
You must be selectively remembering your own posts. It was you right, posting the gif of the table flip?
That was my point. It's not adding anything to the discussion. You'd have been better off not saying anything, or maybe having a go at phrasing your opinion in a critical, useful way wherever possible.
I always find it curious that people take such issue with complaints and criticisms about spoiled sets "not adding anything to the discussion" but have no problem with the endless completely worthless "OMG THIS CARD IS IN THE SET I NEED TO BUY A BOX RIGHT NOW!!!!" posts.
Not surprised the three chase P3K rares aren't in this set, but I do hope they're in M25.
The fact neither Demonic Tutor nor Lightning Bolt are in this set is mind boggling. They're two of the most iconic cards in Magic.
This set looks exactly like every other Masters set: a handful of chase rares and mythics to get the fanboys hyped, a few 'break even' cards, mostly chaff. Uncommon and common are 95% unplayable. Missing some of the most iconic cards for no good reason.
It's almost like Iconic Masters has nothing to do with what is actually 'iconic' and the name is just a marketing strategy! I wouldn't be surprised for a second if it was initially called Eternal Masters 2017 before Marketing stepped in.
That card only sees play on VINTAGE and on some multiplayer commander lists. Blergh.
Based on this comment, and maybe three or four others already, expressing displeasure about these choices, I'd make the suggestion that Iconic Masters (not "competitive masters" or "sees tournament play masters") isn't made for you. No harm in that, but there's no need for you to fill this thread with negativity either.
These are stonking reprints.
Mana drain is super hot for commander. Amazing art as well.
I will only address you because mods already said we shouldn't discuss what should or should not be reprinted.
First, I made one single comment about mana drain, based on my dislike of reprinting old cards that see play nowhere, even if they are expensive. All other comments of 'negativity' was myself defending my stance in face of people who are happy with the reprint of a card that most magic players will never use. That and kamigawa dragons, who definitely didn't need another printing.
Besides from that, I like some of the reprints, and said just now that the set is a mixed bag. Why do you feel entitled to tell me that I should or should not express my opinion just because it is a negative one? Should I only speak if it is to join the hype?
That's the end of that discussion for me.
What?? You mean you'd rather see them reprint cards that actually have demand rather than something with an artificially high price tag that so we can all circle jerk about how much "value" is in the set and create a hype echo chamber where we all try to one-up each other by using more capitals and exclamation points and hyperbolic expressions of our excitement over a cynical consumer product? That won't stand here mister!
It isn't usually a good idea to buy things spontaneously based on hype and incomplete information. Every Masters set has people hyped to the high heavens when the initial spoilers come out and then relatively disappointed when the full set is known.
Wow dude. Just when that deck couldn't get more lame.
Worse...it senergizes with the deck since the commanders abilities involve ETB wizards and it bounces the wizards back.
And why in the world is it a $21 dollar land it only works with one tribe. And it taps for colorless
Because Magic is full of wannabe day traders playing babby's first stock market who think that there's going to be a massive demand for them now and are buying them up. I can't imagine the price is going to stay that high, it's just a speculator spike.
He blatently said outright that Transformers and nerf were not much better.
How is it ANY better? It's exactly the same thing in my mind. This notion that it's "okay" for grown adults to like toy commercials that were marketed to boys in the 80s but somehow "not okay" or even "less okay" for grown adults to like toy commercials that were marketed to girls in the 80s is a ridiculous double standard and severe nerd gatekeeping.
I don't disagree with what you're saying. We can't judge an entire group of people based on the very worst individuals in it. But if most people don't want cards for cartoon talking horses in a shameless attempt to cater to grown men who enjoy a show intended for 7 year old girls, well, I can't really blame people for being against that.
That's not to say that people who do enjoy MLP are wrong for doing so. Sure, it's a little weird but we all do weird things and it isn't hurting anyone so you do you. That being said, regardless of our opinions on the show or fandom, I think that the vast majority of us can agree that such cards have no place in MtG, not even in silver border. The Nerf and Transformers cards are already pushing the boundaries quite a bit (as shown by comments in this thread) and MLP would be even worse. A lot worse.
If you want to enjoy MLP, that's fine. But I'd prefer it remains seperate from Magic.
I don't see how it's better to cater to grown men who enjoy toy commercial cartoons featuring robots that shoot guns than to cater to grown men who enjoy toy commercial cartoons featuring ponies. Also, spoiler alert: not all Magic fans are men (or grown, for that matter)
Personally I don't see how Nerf and Transformers are any less cringe-worthy than My Little Pony would be. Dungeons and Dragons is a tiny bit better because it least it is thematically similar but I find this whole thing just kind of crass and pandering. Not for me I guess.
Really? I was using your own framing of the situation, since apparently you were worried about 'pissing off' your opponents with land destruction.
If you nuke my utility land and ramp my other opponents in the process I'm not going to be happy with you. This card is hot garbage in multiplayer unless you can work around it and even then I don't think it's worth the effort.
There are enough land destruction lands that don't ramp the table out there for Commander that there's really no reason to ever use this. I'd like to say I'm surprised so many people are falling for this but honestly I'm not.
You're not moving the game along for everyone. You're leaving the opponent you target with this relatively neutral, ramping and giving card advantage to the players not targeted with this, and leaving yourself card neutral and down tempo. It's a pretty big card and tempo swing to the players you don't target.
Strictly better has a specific definition, it doesn't mean "more betterer". It doesn't matter if it costs 1 Weasley mana more or 20 Granger mana more. If it costs more mana, it is not strictly better. End of story. Another poster was nice enough to explain it in great detail for you and you're still arguing about this like a petulant kid? You're wrong.
I disagree that unfiltered naive positivity about consumer products is a good thing, especially when we're talking about a consumer product that is designed to exploit gambling impulses. A hype echo chamber benefits no one except Hasbro shareholders.
It seems silly on the surface but I see his point. We all know there's a finite amount of 'value' that Wizards will put in these sets, and for every Mana Drain they include that's a bunch of more "important" reprints that they won't include in order to keep the total value of the set down. Like Mana Crypt in Eternal Masters this probably won't lower the price to the point where it becomes affordable to *most* players so it's really just a flashy lottery ticket card instead of something that could lower the price of Modern or increase access to some far more useful Commander staples.
Wasting a card slot is entirely the point. Honestly, are folks still surprised by this? Every Masters set is the same story. They are really conservative with reprints in these sets so the majority of the rares and mythics will be filler.
I always find it curious that people take such issue with complaints and criticisms about spoiled sets "not adding anything to the discussion" but have no problem with the endless completely worthless "OMG THIS CARD IS IN THE SET I NEED TO BUY A BOX RIGHT NOW!!!!" posts.
This set looks exactly like every other Masters set: a handful of chase rares and mythics to get the fanboys hyped, a few 'break even' cards, mostly chaff. Uncommon and common are 95% unplayable. Missing some of the most iconic cards for no good reason.
It's almost like Iconic Masters has nothing to do with what is actually 'iconic' and the name is just a marketing strategy! I wouldn't be surprised for a second if it was initially called Eternal Masters 2017 before Marketing stepped in.
What?? You mean you'd rather see them reprint cards that actually have demand rather than something with an artificially high price tag that so we can all circle jerk about how much "value" is in the set and create a hype echo chamber where we all try to one-up each other by using more capitals and exclamation points and hyperbolic expressions of our excitement over a cynical consumer product? That won't stand here mister!
It isn't usually a good idea to buy things spontaneously based on hype and incomplete information. Every Masters set has people hyped to the high heavens when the initial spoilers come out and then relatively disappointed when the full set is known.
Because Magic is full of wannabe day traders playing babby's first stock market who think that there's going to be a massive demand for them now and are buying them up. I can't imagine the price is going to stay that high, it's just a speculator spike.
How is it ANY better? It's exactly the same thing in my mind. This notion that it's "okay" for grown adults to like toy commercials that were marketed to boys in the 80s but somehow "not okay" or even "less okay" for grown adults to like toy commercials that were marketed to girls in the 80s is a ridiculous double standard and severe nerd gatekeeping.
I don't see how it's better to cater to grown men who enjoy toy commercial cartoons featuring robots that shoot guns than to cater to grown men who enjoy toy commercial cartoons featuring ponies. Also, spoiler alert: not all Magic fans are men (or grown, for that matter)