Removing Jihad is not reaching at all.
I’m Lebanese and I can’t even keep count of how often that term has been used in a racist connotation against me since 9/11.
Two years ago I declined a date with a white guy who said “that’s not how we do things here in America, if you want to be a dirty sand N***** go back to your country and take your Jihad with you. I hope Allah sends you to hell”
I’m catholic btw and Allah is the Abrahamic god in general...
At some point people have to let go and deal with the present and care for the future,
Quote from Fan-of-"Fanservice" »To bring this back to talking about the actual game (and I hope this point wasn't addressed already, I only had time to skim through the pages):
When a player plays a card that depicts horrible actions or concepts, does that make you think that player condones such actions or concepts in real life?
I believe that's the question it comes down to in this game, as well as in the entertainment industry as a whole.
In short, is it possible for us to acknowledge the good in WotC's proclaimed goal while still criticizing their chosen method do achieve that goal? Or will we always automatically claim that whoever has a problem with the action is automatically also against the intended outcome of those actions?
If something is racist, ALL the racist variations need to be addressed, not just a sub-group that is more important than another (as that is in itself racist to make such a distinguishing).
In what world do you want to live in.
- A world with thousands of banned words, banned signs and banned art.
- Or a world in which everything is allowed and everyone is free to make up their own mind.
If someone has the intention to hurt you, thats tremendously worse than, than someone that means no harm gets suddenly branded.
someone might throw that person out of the store, insult them, claim they are racists, and make their day really bad.
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Being directly and personally insulted and attacked is just that, an insult and is actual even illegal to do no matter the context.
Nobody has to be directly and personally insulted or should be.
However, if a card displays something and by proxy someone feels insulted by that, they are explicitly not directly and personally insulted, but by proxy claim to be insulted[/b], which is an entirely different animal.
As by this "by proxy insulted" notion you can be insulted by absolutely everything, as long as you claim to be insulted and you can claim ownership over being a victim and weaponize that.
If nobody means any harm to you and you blame them for insulting you, thats just terrible wrong and does nothing good, its toxic and destructive to any good relationship.
At this point the artists of these labeled as "racist" cards are attacked personally by people, as by proxy, the artist is transformed into a racist too, no matter what their intention was in the art and its even less relevant if they actually are what they are blamed for ...
Theres a real danger in doing that and its fairly easy to realize how wrong it is to do that.
The Nazis did the very same to jews. They just blamed them to be "evil" and the entire nation followed that narrative and see what we got, a entire nation that suddenly by proxy hated on jews and caused one of the most evil acts in human history.
What we get with the current racism trope is very much like that and it gets more and more violent and crazy every day by now.
People that mean absolutely no harm are labeled and blamed for almost everything , and suddenly violence against them is "justified" , even encouraged, and the mob is destroying monuments, property and throwing rocks at people.
Its the same stupidity as Nazi Germany did against the jews, its labeling a enemy out of thin air and completely goes over the rails to lash out.
WotC here by proxy declares these cards and names of the cards as "racist" , by proxy labels the artists of these cards as racists and instigates an entire group of people to rally against a straw man, all in the name of fighting racism.
So the end result is, you just created more racism out of thin air, more hate against people and either side of the argument is going to radicalize over it and lesser minds will even resort to violence.
So yes, if someone is directly and personally attacked by any means, i am among the first to defend that person.
And freedom of speech means you are not restricted in what you say, as you do no harm in that, its strictly positive to be able to talk about whatever is in your mind, everyone that thinks different is free to do the same and oppose your arguments.
If someone suddenly claims the color red is a symbol of hate, and by that its banned, do we ban everything red from magic to pander to that claim ?
Its simply insane to go that way, as its an ever increasing list of banned words, banned things, banned hand-signs and at some point you are not allowed to do anything as it might somehow be offensive to somebody in the world.
The claim to fight against racism is by definition divisive and damaging on its own, especially if its too broad and cloudy defined.
It gets even worse looking way in the past and using todays standards to retroactive "fix" the past, as it doesnt fix anything, but attacks and damages the history and brands all the people as "Bad" that honor that history.
At some point people should just throw all that garbage away and get together, have fun and play the game.
A lot of people dont want to deal with any outside-world problems at all at a table of magic.
I dont care what color your skin has, i dont care what your sexual preferences are and i absolutely dont care what your politcal views are, we can all get together and play the game, and thats the point, thats whats so positive.
If you cant do that, you ostracize yourself and others, and thats just plain bad to do, as its the exact opposite of welcoming and inclusive.
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This is not a function of the word, but a function of the context.
The n-word is also a good example. When black rapper use this word I doubt that anyone would argue that they their intend is to dehumanize black people. But if a clansman uses the same insult it gets a diffrent connotation.
So insults change meaning depening on who uses them and who is on the receiving end.
The problem is that magic cards lack a good amount of context: art, artist, card text, including flavor. Thst is pretty much all you can go by. Invoke Prejudice is probably the clearest example of a truely racist magic card, given who drew the art what is depicted and what the card does...
Beyond that I can see Crusade and Jihad as controversial topics. The card about Gypsies I can also understand.
The problem is where you have to assume more and more context to the other examples.
I just don't think that is a healthy path to go down.
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But what I find less pleasent is that many people do not see Nazis as humans and they see themselves in the right to disregard their opinion, threaten them or outright use violence against them.
By labeling someone a Nazi (justified or not) you essentialy dehumanize that person. And I can see people objecting to this kind of treatment.
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I can not answer for him but wish to respond to your question with my own perspective, but "pseudo-insults" as you put are just that, insults. When one resorts to ad hominems in an attempt to work against another's arguments and the other person retaliates, doesn't make them that thing. I am guilty of this too as I have called others names that was in an effort to get a reaction out of them. Resorting to insults on that level, especially when they are not true, tears the argument down and brings it to a point of both sides simply bickering, rather than communicating and trying to understand the perspective or underlying issue that could help the other. Even though certain notions can be black and white, communication and understanding isn't, and that is why talking about things matter, no matter what you are for or against.
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Its not an issue, it will just ensure that somebody disagrees.
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See, this crap is exactly the point.
Whoever you want to, suddenly is blamed as a Nazi, like its a joke.
If you cannot have any argument at all, and think that making such horrendous claims is doing anything, you will forever breed and increase the hate among people.
But giving words that much power over yourself is not helping anybody.