Let me know if and when you change your mind. It was nice to have you around despite our disagreements.
Also, I don't know why you expect any moderator action against your post. You are not breaking any forum rules, you are simply trying to be a martyr for a lost cause.
Oh, I'm definitely breaking forum rules: I'm trying to goad you into doing exactly what you've just realized not to do! Anyway, yes: The cause may well be dead. Yes: I might appear a martyr. However! Simply because I do not divulge certain information does not mean I do not have it. Could it be because you've personally gone out of your way to ask forum members and even moderators to not post clans-subforum-appropriate content in "your clan's" thread? Just like you've been called out on, to myself and Weaver? Who is the martyr, here? Still me, I'm sure; no need to answer that.
What is your justification in possibly asking such people to possibly stop posting in this possible thread? Do you believe you know the forum's rules better than anyone else, such that you feel you need to enforce them? I don't, but I'm not trying to enforce anything: Simply trying to make myself and others feel comfortable in a place that was once my home (incidentally, I was the oldest surviving member of this clan... and I just quit! :rolleyes:).
Hopefully my forum-rule-breaking martyrdom sheds some enlightenment to people, even if I'm one of these such people. I always love finding out when I'm wrong (it gives me a chance to be a better person in the future)! This will be my last post in the Izzet clan thread, at least until I'm personally asked to post here again.
To all but AI who have posted feelings that I am taking this too far: I disagree, as you do not have either my perspective on the situation, or the information that I seem to have access to.
Also, I thank everyone for their input, even and especially Ravus. This Clan is great because we value everyone's opinion, even if it is contrary to our own. That doesn't mean we don't try to influence each other, of course.
I hope this is true.
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The one statement I have issues with is the following:
This never happened. I am not trying to stop anyone from posting here. I am not on a power trip. I am not trying to ruin anyone's day. I am trying to curtail spammy posts and exclusionary conversations. I am doing so politely and with everyone's opinions in mind. I am trying to be fair and you, sir, are not helping. I hope that you can see my point of view and realize that you are not in the right.
Did I say you were on a power-trip? Is that a freudian slip on your part? Is this something you've been thinking about, feeling guilty about? Why haven't certain members been posting here as of late? Because I haven't been posting? Doubtful, but disregard that... why haven't I been posting as of late (until just this week)? Because I have not felt comfortable with what the Izzet has been becoming. Or what I have been becoming (seems exactly the same to me, just less willing to deal with bull☺☺☺☺--even though I now try to resolve it with words instead of violence... lol, like violence would help over the internet, anyway :rollout:). I would argue that the reason for my discomfort is partially in some of the new guys coming in, and some of the old guys going away, and some of the other old guys being disagreeable. One way or another, I cannot remain in the Izzet, it seems.
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EDIT: Fittingly, the message title of the PM I sent to Ravus and Weaver was "Maturity."
That is fitting, indeed. Unfortunately, I doubt you're considering your own maturity when you made that above statement. I know I'm mimature, but yet you're the first person making personal attacks on my maturity? Which of us is less mature, and how? And you were so arrogant as to send that "lesson on maturity" to a moderator? Wow.
Consider this my official resignation from the Izzet clan on MTGSalvation. I will begin my own clan shortly, I'm simply going to take an undisclosed amount of time to consider some undisclosed information and take some undisclosed actions, beforehand. Anyone interested in my clan, send me a private message, anyone who disagrees with me can do the same. Or hell, post it here. It's no hair off my ass, either way. But please, anyone and everyone who has an opinion for me, share it!
...Again I have to apologize for my abruptness and blunt wordings, but ☺☺☺☺ happens. I'm over it. I expect infractions for flaming, trolling, whatever may come my way. Banning would probably be a bit far, but I'm not in charge of that decision: Whatever happens, happens, I suppose.
I really think you should have just left it to pms, it's really not that big of a deal and you seem to be blowing things out of proportion. I really don't think you should've posted the pm, AI is a good leader and I don't think he deserves this disrespect.
Perhaps you are right, but again, I see both sides of the argument in favour or private messages and public communication. Since I believe this topic directly relates to and involves all of the Izzet as a clan here on MTGS, I want it to be public. I can't speak for Weaver, but it at least seems he agrees. I have noticed that certain members have been lacking in their Izzet-thread attendance, and want them, as my friends, to be able to speak to me freely in my own clan's thread (whereas AI--also a friend, normally--has asked them outright or convinced them otherwise to not post here). This bothers me: I want to speak to these people.
Here's where this degenerates, while at the same time reaching it's pique: I feel that the current state of the Izzet as a clan on MTGS is no longer what I have come to expect it to be, and want it to be, and remember it to be. Although I mean no disrespect to AsianInvasion, I feel as if I must either ask for him to cool down, step down, or tell me to leave the Izzet. If I leave the Izzet clan, I will promptly start my own, new clan. Something more suiting for my insanity and arrogance (not that these things aren't fitting in with the Izzet...!).
I'm sorry it has had to come to that, but this was my ultimatum. I'm sure AI would have, given different circumstances, loved to abuse me about possible card-tags in this post... lol!
@Ravus & Weaver: I refuse to have this conversation in the Clan thread. I am sending you both PMs.
And I understand why you're sending PMs, but I also find irony in those initials... "PMs"...
Anyway, I'm sorry for flaming you right there, I shouldn't have, and will accept responsibility for my actions.
Now, on to the juicy ☺☺☺☺:
I understand why you want to keep this topic privately discussed between us three, but I disagree. I've recently become more the type of person who shares information with his friends, so here goes:
My first point: Exactly how many parties have you been to that that particular scenario plays out? It's never happened to any of the parties I've been to, people are encouraged to join in and are then welcomed; just as I've been welcoming every poster since my return. I notice I'm getting nothing but welcomes, so far, at least.
For one, I feel intimidated by the sheer volume of one-line and obscure posts being made between the two of you, so I can only imagine how someone who doesn't know either of you feels.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see the point where we are distracting the party and cajoling to the point of acting like no one else is here. I thought in the Clans forum it was okay to have a conversation with friends, because its clans
When I come into the Clan and see half a dozen consecutive posts made in about an hour between two members who clearly have the knowledge and ability to communicate privately, the content of said posts being largely inside jokes and fringe interests, I do not see an environment conducive for meeting new people or promoting discussion among and between said new people. Your "this is Clans" argument doesn't hold water because you clearly weren't engaging the other members of the Clan.
See this is an issue that I have to address. I've already had a talk with some of the "newer" members, and I'm sorry AI, but our conversation didn't dominate the thread. We leave enough room for other to either respond, question, or even mock what we say. Yes, we talk of things that is not an everyday thing, but if a clan isn't meant to meet and learn about new friends, then what the hell is it for?
Yeah, and the fact that you are a moderator certainly didn't influence any of them into agreeing with you.
I don't see you meeting or learning about new friends. I see the two of you having what is essentially a private conversation, regarding things the two of you like to talk about but most people have no interest in, in a public forum.
The air in this clan thread is different, it seems more aggressive, member's from other clans are getting chastized for posting here, and now the member's of this clan are getting the same deal. I don't get it.
You've got to be kidding me. rianalnn got called out for bringing an argument that was spamming MUC's thread into our thread when he was really just arguing with Surging Chaos. Just because SC happens to a member of the Izzet doesn't mean rianalnn has free reign to spam in our thread.
You're getting chastised for spamming the thread with your personal conversation. I hold the two of you and rianalnn to higher standards of conduct because as enforcers of the rules you're supposed to adhere to them.
That is if he is even allowed to post here. It might distract from whatever it is The Izzet are supposed to be talking about.
I actually like Silent Prophet. He's a nice guy and always has something worthwhile to say. Maybe he can give you some tips.
Seriously, guys. You were having an exclusive conversation in the Clan thread. The average Izzet member has almost nothing to say about the juxtaposition of insanity and enlightenment and how each may play out in the courses of the lives of everyday people depending on their circumstances and personality traits. Personally I find the topic interesting, but I'm sure not everyone does. You can talk about your interests and personal tastes, but do so while contributing to a greater conversation instead of taking center stage to yourselves. If you feel the need to have a more in-depth conversation on these matters, take it elsewhere.
Cheers,
AI
Leader of [the Izzet]
Now, I'm going to address a few points here, but I'm supposed to be busy at work (my lunchbreak is ending, just now), so I'll check back in on this later. I'm sorry, AI, I've always liked you, but I'm recently seeing some qualities in you that I do not so much agree with. Please don't overreact to my posting this private message. I have a purpose (to talk about our Clan's interests in public--with the Clan!) and I intend to address them... just not yet... low on time to do so.
Hello, the Called! It is I, Ravus (hopefully not your least-favourite "douchewaffle"), and as I have returned to MTGS (and the internet, in general), I find myself compelled to post here and congratulate you on another year's thrashing in the Clan of the Year race. Good job, and keep up the good work.
I would also like to request formal friendship with you guys, since I'm more than acutely aware of the dramatic problems our two clans have experienced in the past, and want to put them behind us. I count myself friendly with at least a few of your members, and so would like to get to know some of the rest of you.
Forgive me for being argumentative, but it is my way:
My first point: Exactly how many parties have you been to that that particular scenario plays out? It's never happened to any of the parties I've been to, people are encouraged to join in and are then welcomed; just as I've been welcoming every poster since my return. I notice I'm getting nothing but welcomes, so far, at least.
Second point: Could you enlighten me to these "problems we've had in the past", please? I'm not sure I'm familiar...
Third: Indeed, he is. I'm sure Silent Prophet will return just as mysteriously as he ever does.
No, but I feel like a complete fool for having forgotten the name of the band... It's classic rock...
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One of your more endearing qualities.
☺☺☺☺ happens.
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So amazing one would imagine that all private forms of communication across the Internet had suffered simultaneous catastrophic failure. Sometimes I wish I were still a kid, too.
PM or IM me if you want to talk about this, guys.
I'm beginning to value a more public form of communication, it seems, so forgive me if I don't send said PM just yet... but am I correct in presuming you mean for Weaver and I to quit talking personally amongst ourselves in a friendly fashion?
Asking me or even telling me to like or even respect AC/DC is like trying to make me convert to Christianity, it just doesn't work.
Unfortunately, I never did any of those things. No instruction or inquiry to respect or even like the band, and no request to convert from anything to anything else. And of course such a radical change wouldn't happen in you, just as it wouldn't for a certain satanic anarchist I know...
I merely stated my "opinion" (oh how I hate that word) about AC/DC, and went out of my way to allow for your dissenting opinions (even though I clearly disagree).
I think that's your word, I use Cheers a lot, you say indeed at least twice in every other post.
That's an exaggeration.
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You raving lunatic!
Funny thing about the word lunatic, back when people worshipped the sun, the folk who worshipped the moon were considered evil and insane, hence the word Luna-tic, isn't learning great?
I was aware of all that... but then, I'm sure you knew that, too... very sneaky...
And of course; I am a lunatic. A "raving" lunatic...
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Yes its wonderful if you love raspy no talent stadium singers, with over dubbing to make their less than mediocre guitar riffs sound plausible.
Just moments ago you jokingly posted that I'd be the death of you...
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Ravus has brought life, as well as douchewaffleness, back to the izzet. The level of activity is simply amazing.
Yeah, whatever you'd like to call in:enlightenment, insanity, finding jesus, losing a huge bet in vegas then getting addicted to drugs and killing people for money only to have an epiphany that your passion in life is to open a german bakery, it really can translate the same in the end. For the most part, I tend to make people who don't keep an open mind step back and question my sanity, while secretly/openly hating me depending on the severity of delusional wisdom I spew.
But yes, I do get your perspective and motivations, it takes awhile, especially when talking with someone so much like myself, but I do finally get it.
Indeed.
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I know, but innuendo's are fuuuuuun...:evillol:
You diabolical madman!
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Heaven * Weaver cues Slayer music
Hah! "Hell ain't a bad place to be..."
Edit: For those that don't know, AC/DC is quite simply the greatest band in history. Anyone that disagrees has a right to their opinion, however wrong it may be.
I really believe that your gauge of insanity is factored in the same way as your gauge for normalcy. What is insane to you is normal to another and so on... Or you could just be ☺☺☺☺ed in the head, there is that too.
That's what I'm saying: Insanity and enlightenment are apparently the same thing, just depending upon one's level of control and the direction they naturally care to take it. Although Weaver and I definitely and obviously take things in opposite directions, I firmly believe I understand his perspective and motivations, and I'm sure he's beginning to see the same in me.
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Fine, but I get to bring the eggs this time...(stake n eggs...*taps mic, anyone? anyone?)
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Oh we have such sights to show you, and lots of ways to test your enlightenment.
My biker friends have a saying... "Show me"...
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Or you'll hate him, there is that option to consider.
Yeah, that usually happens at one point or another, as well. Does anyone here believe that such characters as kpaca and PhantomS were once good friends of mine? Would anyone believe that I piss Psi and AI off, all the time?
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Wait... who are you? :huh:
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I sense extreme irony from a mancrush misinterpretation...
No misinterpretation; just a fondness for vague and shadowy wordings. C'mon, Weaver... you should know me at least that well, by now.
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The good ol' boys? What're we in the freaking south?
South of where, exactly?
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I swear your enlightenment is going to be the death of me....:facepalm:
So you only accept cookies from people you know and dislike?
You're taking for granted that I do accept cookies from such people, simply because I did not state otherwise? Well, at least we know I won't accept cookies from you...
...
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Guilted.
Wonderful!
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Why would anyone assume that you're sane?
Again, you're taking such a thing for granted: I didn't say I believe myself sane (quite the contrary, actually... perhaps?), only that I "could make the argument"... I could also make the argument that I am, perfectly, sane. But then, just because one can make such an argument, does that necessarily mean anything?
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Anyways, welcome back Ravus!
Thank you!
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As for the douchewaffleism, it has been missed, but I didn't want it forgotten, so I poked and prodded Ravus until he finally posted.
As long as people remember this fact the next time they're calling for my head on a stake.
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Hiya Ravus.
Oh how the topic changes when Ravus enters the thread.
"...You ain't seen nothing, yet..."
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Ravus, I think I'll like you. Even though I'm not in this clan. Wait, if I like you, but you don't know me, will you still accept cookies? If so, consider these a gift from Clan Bolas. Yes, you should ignore the fact that animals eating the animals that are eating the animals that are eating the crumbs of the cookies are dropping dead . . .
Of course you'll like me; everyone does, at one point or another.
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AWWWWW a crush on Ravus!
Ravus : Welcome back !~ Remeber me ? (hint : Izzet on Darkness)
Of course I remember you. Hello!
...And of course there're crushes going around on this "Ravus" person... he's pretty ☺☺☺☺ing awesome, afterall.
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Ravus's return is certainly enough to get me to post!
Hi Ravus! *waves* How have you been? It's been a while since we last talked :-).
Ah, the good ol' boys are returning to activity... just what the world needed! Hello, Psi! Welcome back! I'm pretty good, for the most part. Having a "good" job is rather hard on a person like me, being in love with a girl is hard on a person like me, and being a person like me is hard on anybody, but like I said; life is good. How're you?
Just think, in a moderately distant (but not too distant) future, you will meet your timeshifted self and she will have protection from meds. I am coming closer and closer to this point myself, and...
... realize that I make far too many Magic references...
Oh, I'm definitely breaking forum rules: I'm trying to goad you into doing exactly what you've just realized not to do! Anyway, yes: The cause may well be dead. Yes: I might appear a martyr. However! Simply because I do not divulge certain information does not mean I do not have it. Could it be because you've personally gone out of your way to ask forum members and even moderators to not post clans-subforum-appropriate content in "your clan's" thread? Just like you've been called out on, to myself and Weaver? Who is the martyr, here? Still me, I'm sure; no need to answer that.
What is your justification in possibly asking such people to possibly stop posting in this possible thread? Do you believe you know the forum's rules better than anyone else, such that you feel you need to enforce them? I don't, but I'm not trying to enforce anything: Simply trying to make myself and others feel comfortable in a place that was once my home (incidentally, I was the oldest surviving member of this clan... and I just quit! :rolleyes:).
Hopefully my forum-rule-breaking martyrdom sheds some enlightenment to people, even if I'm one of these such people. I always love finding out when I'm wrong (it gives me a chance to be a better person in the future)! This will be my last post in the Izzet clan thread, at least until I'm personally asked to post here again.
I hope this is true.
Did I say you were on a power-trip? Is that a freudian slip on your part? Is this something you've been thinking about, feeling guilty about? Why haven't certain members been posting here as of late? Because I haven't been posting? Doubtful, but disregard that... why haven't I been posting as of late (until just this week)? Because I have not felt comfortable with what the Izzet has been becoming. Or what I have been becoming (seems exactly the same to me, just less willing to deal with bull☺☺☺☺--even though I now try to resolve it with words instead of violence... lol, like violence would help over the internet, anyway :rollout:). I would argue that the reason for my discomfort is partially in some of the new guys coming in, and some of the old guys going away, and some of the other old guys being disagreeable. One way or another, I cannot remain in the Izzet, it seems.
That is fitting, indeed. Unfortunately, I doubt you're considering your own maturity when you made that above statement. I know I'm mimature, but yet you're the first person making personal attacks on my maturity? Which of us is less mature, and how? And you were so arrogant as to send that "lesson on maturity" to a moderator? Wow.
Consider this my official resignation from the Izzet clan on MTGSalvation. I will begin my own clan shortly, I'm simply going to take an undisclosed amount of time to consider some undisclosed information and take some undisclosed actions, beforehand. Anyone interested in my clan, send me a private message, anyone who disagrees with me can do the same. Or hell, post it here. It's no hair off my ass, either way. But please, anyone and everyone who has an opinion for me, share it!
...Again I have to apologize for my abruptness and blunt wordings, but ☺☺☺☺ happens. I'm over it. I expect infractions for flaming, trolling, whatever may come my way. Banning would probably be a bit far, but I'm not in charge of that decision: Whatever happens, happens, I suppose.
Perhaps you are right, but again, I see both sides of the argument in favour or private messages and public communication. Since I believe this topic directly relates to and involves all of the Izzet as a clan here on MTGS, I want it to be public. I can't speak for Weaver, but it at least seems he agrees. I have noticed that certain members have been lacking in their Izzet-thread attendance, and want them, as my friends, to be able to speak to me freely in my own clan's thread (whereas AI--also a friend, normally--has asked them outright or convinced them otherwise to not post here). This bothers me: I want to speak to these people.
Here's where this degenerates, while at the same time reaching it's pique: I feel that the current state of the Izzet as a clan on MTGS is no longer what I have come to expect it to be, and want it to be, and remember it to be. Although I mean no disrespect to AsianInvasion, I feel as if I must either ask for him to cool down, step down, or tell me to leave the Izzet. If I leave the Izzet clan, I will promptly start my own, new clan. Something more suiting for my insanity and arrogance (not that these things aren't fitting in with the Izzet...!).
I'm sorry it has had to come to that, but this was my ultimatum. I'm sure AI would have, given different circumstances, loved to abuse me about possible card-tags in this post... lol!
And I understand why you're sending PMs, but I also find irony in those initials... "PMs"...
Anyway, I'm sorry for flaming you right there, I shouldn't have, and will accept responsibility for my actions.
Now, on to the juicy ☺☺☺☺:
I understand why you want to keep this topic privately discussed between us three, but I disagree. I've recently become more the type of person who shares information with his friends, so here goes:
Thank you for humouring a raving lunatic,
-Ravus
I would also like to request formal friendship with you guys, since I'm more than acutely aware of the dramatic problems our two clans have experienced in the past, and want to put them behind us. I count myself friendly with at least a few of your members, and so would like to get to know some of the rest of you.
My first point: Exactly how many parties have you been to that that particular scenario plays out? It's never happened to any of the parties I've been to, people are encouraged to join in and are then welcomed; just as I've been welcoming every poster since my return. I notice I'm getting nothing but welcomes, so far, at least.
Second point: Could you enlighten me to these "problems we've had in the past", please? I'm not sure I'm familiar...
Third: Indeed, he is. I'm sure Silent Prophet will return just as mysteriously as he ever does.
Yeah, BTO! It's the initials that threw me, I suppose...
Thanks for that, Silent Prophet! Long time, no see.
No, but I feel like a complete fool for having forgotten the name of the band...
☺☺☺☺ happens.
I'm beginning to value a more public form of communication, it seems, so forgive me if I don't send said PM just yet... but am I correct in presuming you mean for Weaver and I to quit talking personally amongst ourselves in a friendly fashion?
Unfortunately, I never did any of those things.
I merely stated my "opinion" (oh how I hate that word) about AC/DC, and went out of my way to allow for your dissenting opinions (even though I clearly disagree).
That's an exaggeration.
I was aware of all that... but then, I'm sure you knew that, too... very sneaky...
And of course; I am a lunatic. A "raving" lunatic...
Just moments ago you jokingly posted that I'd be the death of you...
It's what I do.
Yes. Quite.
Indeed.
You diabolical madman!
Hah! "Hell ain't a bad place to be..."
Edit: For those that don't know, AC/DC is quite simply the greatest band in history. Anyone that disagrees has a right to their opinion, however wrong it may be.
There are some who call me... "Tim"?...
Not yet... Kank?
That's what I'm saying: Insanity and enlightenment are apparently the same thing, just depending upon one's level of control and the direction they naturally care to take it. Although Weaver and I definitely and obviously take things in opposite directions, I firmly believe I understand his perspective and motivations, and I'm sure he's beginning to see the same in me.
My biker friends have a saying... "Show me"...
Yeah, that usually happens at one point or another, as well. Does anyone here believe that such characters as kpaca and PhantomS were once good friends of mine? Would anyone believe that I piss Psi and AI off, all the time?
No misinterpretation; just a fondness for vague and shadowy wordings.
South of where, exactly?
magac?
Indeed.
You're taking for granted that I do accept cookies from such people, simply because I did not state otherwise? Well, at least we know I won't accept cookies from you...
...
Wonderful!
Again, you're taking such a thing for granted: I didn't say I believe myself sane (quite the contrary, actually... perhaps?), only that I "could make the argument"... I could also make the argument that I am, perfectly, sane. But then, just because one can make such an argument, does that necessarily mean anything?
Thank you!
As long as people remember this fact the next time they're calling for my head on a stake.
"...You ain't seen nothing, yet..."
Of course you'll like me; everyone does, at one point or another.
Of course I remember you. Hello!
...And of course there're crushes going around on this "Ravus" person... he's pretty ☺☺☺☺ing awesome, afterall.
Ah, the good ol' boys are returning to activity... just what the world needed! Hello, Psi! Welcome back! I'm pretty good, for the most part. Having a "good" job is rather hard on a person like me, being in love with a girl is hard on a person like me, and being a person like me is hard on anybody, but like I said; life is good.