I saw RDW being played alot at the LGS, and i'd like to get back into MTG, without spending too much money. Thankfully I can get store credit for a Leovold that I no longer have use for, so including sleeves, deck box, etc, I can get this list for around 50 US after I trade him in. (converted from cad for simplicity)
I got some advice on reddit, and found a few of the commons at the shop, but not all of them, I might go back again tomorrow morning to look for the rest of the C/U cards that might be there.
Right now there are only 2 cards that I would have to change to make this list rotation proof and still budget: Chandra, Torch of Defiance and Akoum Firebird
Thankfully these are in the sideboard, and as this is a budget list, there is no way in hell that I am going to pay 50$ for 2 planeswalker cards, just ain't happening, the other problem is the firebird, it is okay, i guess, but it will rotate very soon.
I think the gearhulk sounds really nice if you could ever get it going, but 6 mana is kind of killer. Anyway, I'm going to take some time to think about it for now.
I am looking forward to getting back into standard a bit now.
I'm looking to maybe swap out a few things that I've got with some of the stuff in the breya deck, but right now I have absolutely zero ideas in which direction I would like to take it. I am also all ears for upgrade paths, and general stuff that isn't too expensive that would benefit whats in there or works with stuff I plan to add.
For reference, here is the pre-con list un-edited (which is the way the deck is now)
sold my collection a year ago, so I don't have much pre kaladesh, iI will get more stuff later as i decide the singlesI need.
I want to add some of these right now so I can try them out at next commander night to get an idea of how the individual cards play out in a multiplayer setting, I only have a small stack of a few things, but some stuff regardless. Mostly focused on cheaper artifacts from the last 2 sets that do not use energy, the 2 tezzerets and of course paradox engine.
I would like some suggestions what I should put in and just let me know what it should replace.
I'm also interested in budget-ish lists for her. will be looking into it soon.
I went to walmart, found invent superiority and breed lethality, overall it came out to be cheaper than online store and LGS wasn't stocking those 2 anyway.
Shipping is a *****.
Bought dragonshield matte in colors of WUBRG and some ultrapro 100 deck boxes of the same color, (I hear ya, booo, hisss)Plan to get satin towers or something in same vein next month, not now....
I won't go into the partnering thing yet as it needs singles, but these decks are definitely on my to do list this year.
Stopped feeling the magic, so to speak, (pun intended) and just got tired of the game, so i decided i would like to sell it all off.
LGS is dying anyway, we have a hard enough time just getting 8 people for standard/modern, people are moving away, store events are down from 4 to 2 a month, and it seems like the event he is holding to tide us over is going to fail, or at least barely fire.
So in short, i don't have the money, the locale doesn't have interest and it's just gotten too complicated for myself.
Anyways, rant aside, this is what i am looking at selling off here. followed by a copypasta message i sent to a guy who buys stuff.
here's the stuff i got. Just about everything is from theros/khans/dragons block, got a bit from BFZ/oath/shadows, but not much.
few promos and foils, couple of cards that will see play in other formats, (not much though)
guessing about 250-275 `ish rares in total
pile 1 (left), rares, almost all bulk rares
pile 2 mythics
pile 3 promos
pile 4 more valuable stuff
pile 5 more random foils
green binder is random foils
green box is a snake commander deck (didn't change it that much)
brown box had something in it but i took it out.
black bag has counters and dice
khans fat pack is full of uncommons from same blocks
black binder is empty, got a bit of damage, but works good.
and some chessix dice
assorted sleeves, enough for like 4 or 5 decks
not included in the picture are 2 over sized dice, a grumpy cat mat (with tube and cap) and like a bunch of assorted sleeves.
Everything goes together, including binders and all accessories.
I need a rough estimate of what this entire collection is worth all considered, I wanted to ask about 100-120$usd equivalent (normally cad but i can convert easy enough)
If i was desperate and had to wait until rotation i would be willing to let it go for 80 usd.
I believe that these are good prices, but not really sure, and not overly fussy either.
Let me know ASAP your evaluation since i would like to get it gone before rotation and the prices of some of the stuff comes down a bit.
Bad Moon is pretty great. Makes these pesky little guys bigger, with the downside of also buffing the opponent's Black creatures. At this point, Bob and a couple Eldrazi are the only things seeing widespread play.
It's a fun deck. Straight forward gameplan. And just steals games with all the fetch and shock lands in the format. Also, it's a decent budget deck. Around $70-90.
This looks like a good list, is a playset of thoughtsieze warranted here though i am wondering? it shocks us for 2, but removes basically any card.
Don't have the other ones similar to TS such as Inquistion, or extripate, things like those, but they are on the list to acquire in the future.
list is about 85$ canadian as of right now with tax and shipping and stuff. thinking about picking it up soon.
These are some of the things i could find
First it was a standard deck at one point yes, but i thought, maybe it was worth trying to upgrade to a better version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4m5WiXQQkU&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege TCC has his standard version of the deck (at the time) and i used it as a starting point.
Mostly this deck has trouble against artifacts, but other than that not entirely sure what it might be weak against. It's big strength is that most players won't be able to interact with the life loss other than getting lifelink creatures, and also that the rager makes anything warrior virtually unblockable. I really enjoy the spiteful returned as it can be used to buff a dude, and then once that creature dies, it becomes a creature, and both modes make you take lifeloss, it's really nasty.
The spells for removal and a few things could be replaced, but i need to find suitable ones. bile blight and languish just aint gunna cut it when there are other far more powerful spells. I would like to add another profane command
obvious upgrades like lili and bob would find their way into deck in some manner with damnation replacing languish,
As for how i have done this deck right or wrong, and the upgrades i am looking at, I would like to know if my thought process is right.
People keep telling me to give up on this list, but i'm not ready to yet, I find it fun and easy to play, and it can really take people by surprise with not alot of options.
I would love to see a similar list that someone comes up with based on this.
Yes. Have most definitely considered zada.
The only problem with that build is the ones i have seen run 2 copies of oath nissa. I think she is about 20$ and i would be most interested in getting arlinns first. But may get both along with lands anyways.
Would putting the bushwhackers in mainboard be a good idea and over which card if this is something i should do? i think i could ger him to trigger alot of the time and possibly for reduced cost. Just no idea how to chang sideboard after that.
So, this is the deck list i want to run for the next few months as it is cheap fast and easy.
I made only slight changes to the lands, and added a sideboard that i felt was appropriate, but neither are great options.
for lands it could easily be said that having a playset of game trails and cinder glades would be ideal, I just need to watch my funds for now, so i would prefer to stay away from them as they are 5$ a piece, puts the build well over 25$ for a playset of both.
Struggled with if i should run a vista and a marsh for the radiant flames to clear the board.
Westvale abbeys could be useful if I play with zada, but i'll have to get a few pieces for that, mostly commons and uncommons however.
Sideboard wasn't real easy choices, but since it was so low on removal i felt that was probably the best option to add.
I wanted roast for khalitas and clip wings for avacyn, fiery impulse is a great option for the zada build as i will be adding more spells anyway.
Finally i put in 3 bushwhackers and a dragonlord for alternative creatures, maybe another creature to replace impulse would be great there.
Some people i have talked to have suggested putting bushwhackers in the mainboard since it can grant haste to a team for just R if the recruiter is out and flipped, which may not be so hard with the bandits flipped form that can bring in wolfs already transformed.
As for cards that should be changed, nothing out of dragons/origins would be preferable and not over 10$ unless it is something like arlinn that directly ties into what the deck wants to focus on. so that rules out atarkas command regardless of how good it is. A higher end with a few game ending creatures might be nice too just so that there is a way to stop decks running sweepers and board clears which is the main concern i have in terms of playing it at fnm. ulrich's kindred looks like it might fit in the deck and give decent protection.
got a chandra, got the walkers, got the roasts got a pia/kiran, so i have a starting point.
The deck not too exspensive in terms of money, but exspensive enough yes.
someone in the comments suggested abbey, of which i have 1, so that helps a bit, but i expect it to drop heavily in price soon.
is there anything in SOI that will be playable in this sort of deck? Prefered upgrades would be in the newer sets (bfz block) so i can keep the deck for longer
Never played RDW before, but from what i can gather is that it is a face is the place race deck. seems like alot of fun.
4 Ahn-Crop Crasher
4 Bomat Courier
4 Cartouche of Zeal
4 Earthshaker Khenra
4 Soul-Scar Mage
1 Hanweir Battlements
2 Chandra's Pyrohelix
2 Hazoret the Fervent
2 Harsh Mentor
2 Harnessed Lightning
2 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider
13 Mountain
4 Ramunap Ruins
4 Combat Celebrant
4 Sunscorched Desert
4 Bloodlust Inciter
2 Akoum Firebird
1 Chandra's Defeat
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Cradle of the Accursed
2 Glorybringer
2 Kari Zev's Expertise
2 Magma Spray
1 Scavenger Grounds
I saw RDW being played alot at the LGS, and i'd like to get back into MTG, without spending too much money. Thankfully I can get store credit for a Leovold that I no longer have use for, so including sleeves, deck box, etc, I can get this list for around 50 US after I trade him in. (converted from cad for simplicity)
I got some advice on reddit, and found a few of the commons at the shop, but not all of them, I might go back again tomorrow morning to look for the rest of the C/U cards that might be there.
Right now there are only 2 cards that I would have to change to make this list rotation proof and still budget:
Chandra, Torch of Defiance and Akoum Firebird
Thankfully these are in the sideboard, and as this is a budget list, there is no way in hell that I am going to pay 50$ for 2 planeswalker cards, just ain't happening, the other problem is the firebird, it is okay, i guess, but it will rotate very soon.
I am looking at the following cards currently as contenders:
Wildfire Eternal Skyship Stalker Lightning Runner Heart-Piercer Manticore Lanthu Hellion Combustible Gearhulk Chaos Maw (unlikely, but maybe) Hour of Devastation Possibly Glorious End if you could garuntee lethal next turn.
I think the gearhulk sounds really nice if you could ever get it going, but 6 mana is kind of killer. Anyway, I'm going to take some time to think about it for now.
I am looking forward to getting back into standard a bit now.
For reference, here is the pre-con list un-edited (which is the way the deck is now)
sold my collection a year ago, so I don't have much pre kaladesh, iI will get more stuff later as i decide the singlesI need.
1 Daretti, Scrap Savant
1 Myr Retriever
1 Chief Engineer
1 Etherium Sculptor
1 Vedalken Engineer
1 Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer
1 Baleful Strix
1 Akiri, Line-Slinger
1 Armory Automaton
1 Shimmer Myr
1 Master of Etherium
1 Trinket Mage
1 Magus of the Will
1 Hanna, Ship's Navigator
1 Silas Renn, Seeker Adept
1 Sydri, Galvanic Genius
1 Etched Oracle
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sanctum Gargoyle
1 Faerie Artisans
1 Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
1 Ethersworn Adjudicator
1 Sphinx Summoner
1 Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
1 Soul of New Phyrexia
1 Godo, Bandit Warlord
1 Hellkite Tyrant
1 Sharuum the Hegemon
1 Myr Battlesphere
1 Hellkite Igniter
1 Filigree Angel
1 Whipflare
1 Parting Thoughts
1 Trash for Treasure
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Migratory Route
1 Open the Vaults
1 Phyrexian Rebirth
1 Grave Upheaval
1 Coastal Breach
1 Grip of Phyresis
1 Ancient Excavation
1 Read the Runes
1 Trial // Error
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Dispeller's Capsule
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Cranial Plating
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Ichor Wellspring
1 Mycosynth Wellspring
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Thopter Foundry
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Bonehoard
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Trading Post
1 Blinkmoth Urn
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Curse of Vengeance
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Ash Barrens
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Boros Garrison
1 Buried Ruin
1 Command Tower
1 Crumbling Necropolis
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Mystic Monastery
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Rupture Spire
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Transguild Promenade
5 Plains
5 Island
4 Swamp
4 Mountain
I want to add some of these right now so I can try them out at next commander night to get an idea of how the individual cards play out in a multiplayer setting, I only have a small stack of a few things, but some stuff regardless. Mostly focused on cheaper artifacts from the last 2 sets that do not use energy, the 2 tezzerets and of course paradox engine.
I would like some suggestions what I should put in and just let me know what it should replace.
I'm also interested in budget-ish lists for her. will be looking into it soon.
cards I have
Rares/mythic
1 summary dismissal
1 quicksmith spy
1 padeem, consul of innovation
1 saheeli's artistry
1 madcap experiment
1 pia's revolution
1 eliminate the competition
1 battle at the bridge
1 merchant's dockhand
1 orbs of warding
1 havoc festival
1 foreboding ruins
1 shambling vent
1 inspiring vantage
1 paradox engine
1 flaying tendrils
1 fortunes favor
1 midnight oil
1 mechanized production
1 tezzeret, master of metal
1 tezzeret the schemer
1 spell queller
1 eternal scourge
1 nissa, vital force
1 aethersphere harvester
1 thalia, heretic cathar
1 collective effort
1 baral, chief of compliance
uncommon/commons
1 ornithopter
1 bastion mastodon
1 aradara express
1 crackdown consulate
1 filigree crawler
1 self-assembler
1 renegade freighter
1 treasure keeper
1 workshop assistant
1 prakhata pillar-bug
1 watchful automaton
1 mobile garrison
1 foundry inspector
1 aegis automaton
1 implement of malice
1 welder automaton
1 eager construct
1 glassblowers puzzleknot
1 inventors goggles
1 implement of ferocity
1 implement of improvement
1 implement of combustion
1 terrarion
1 horribly awry
1 rakdos charm
1 tezzeret's touch
1 perpetual timepiece
1 salvage scuttler
1 siege modification
1 pilgrim's eye
1 restoration specialist
1 ruthless disposal
1 janjeet sentry
1 defiant salvager
Curious what you think I should do and what I should start to work on obtaining in the future, I look forward to brewing this deck soon.
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I'm better off buying them for 50c a pop then.
the packs might be worth it however cheaper than a box by alot.
If they do then i would be interested in picking up 2 for commander decks, and also to get a few rares and probably a mythic out of it.
I went to walmart, found invent superiority and breed lethality, overall it came out to be cheaper than online store and LGS wasn't stocking those 2 anyway.
Shipping is a *****.
Bought dragonshield matte in colors of WUBRG and some ultrapro 100 deck boxes of the same color, (I hear ya, booo, hisss)Plan to get satin towers or something in same vein next month, not now....
I won't go into the partnering thing yet as it needs singles, but these decks are definitely on my to do list this year.
Just ordered entropic uprising and open hostility.
Dont know where to go with the group hug deck so i will let it be for now.
Are either of the other 2 any good to improve on?
I will eventually get the final 2 but not today, they keep popping up anyway.
Dont have no more singles dumped collection come summer, will only buy what singles i need and nothing more but still going to keep budget on it.
Curious what best directions are for each deck or which partner commanders work well together.
Maybe just fetch lands and staples for now
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95 usd for the 2 decks and drahon shield + ultra pro 100 boxes if you are curious, seemed like good price to me.
Don't think i'll be missing it too much.
LGS is dying anyway, we have a hard enough time just getting 8 people for standard/modern, people are moving away, store events are down from 4 to 2 a month, and it seems like the event he is holding to tide us over is going to fail, or at least barely fire.
So in short, i don't have the money, the locale doesn't have interest and it's just gotten too complicated for myself.
Anyways, rant aside, this is what i am looking at selling off here. followed by a copypasta message i sent to a guy who buys stuff.
here's the stuff i got. Just about everything is from theros/khans/dragons block, got a bit from BFZ/oath/shadows, but not much.
few promos and foils, couple of cards that will see play in other formats, (not much though)
guessing about 250-275 `ish rares in total
pile 1 (left), rares, almost all bulk rares
pile 2 mythics
pile 3 promos
pile 4 more valuable stuff
pile 5 more random foils
green binder is random foils
green box is a snake commander deck (didn't change it that much)
brown box had something in it but i took it out.
black bag has counters and dice
khans fat pack is full of uncommons from same blocks
black binder is empty, got a bit of damage, but works good.
and some chessix dice
assorted sleeves, enough for like 4 or 5 decks
not included in the picture are 2 over sized dice, a grumpy cat mat (with tube and cap) and like a bunch of assorted sleeves.
cards i believe are of some small note.
4 thoughtsieze
3 visions 3 path (promos)
1 foil ooze
1 daybreak coronet
1 cinderglade
1 oath chandra
1 bloodstained mire
1 wooded foothills
1 windswept heath
1 ob nix
4 hangarback walker
2 hissing quaqmire
1 traver ulvenwald
1 ulvenwald hydra
2 origins lili
3 kolaghans command and 1 promo
2 xenagos, god of revels
1 foil westvale abbey 2 normal
1 pormo thunderbreak regent
1 coco
Everything goes together, including binders and all accessories.
I need a rough estimate of what this entire collection is worth all considered, I wanted to ask about 100-120$usd equivalent (normally cad but i can convert easy enough)
If i was desperate and had to wait until rotation i would be willing to let it go for 80 usd.
I believe that these are good prices, but not really sure, and not overly fussy either.
Let me know ASAP your evaluation since i would like to get it gone before rotation and the prices of some of the stuff comes down a bit.
This looks like a good list, is a playset of thoughtsieze warranted here though i am wondering? it shocks us for 2, but removes basically any card.
Don't have the other ones similar to TS such as Inquistion, or extripate, things like those, but they are on the list to acquire in the future.
list is about 85$ canadian as of right now with tax and shipping and stuff. thinking about picking it up soon.
4 thoughtseize
2 dismember
2 hero's downfall
1 languish
1 profane command
4 bloodsoaked champion
3 tormented hero
4 mardu shadowspear
4 blood-chin rager
4 spiteful returned
3 pain seer
4 mogis's maurder
3 mardu strike leader
3 pitiless horde
2 foul tongue invocation
2 ulcerate
2 virulent plague
1 gilt-leaf winnower
2 infinite obliteration
2 merciless executioner
possible upgrades damnation liliana of the veil dark confidant reassembling skeleton ruthless cullblade lifebane zombie kalitas, traitor of ghet diplomacy of the wastes bond of agony corrupted roots death's shadow killing wave liliana's indignation surgical extraction vampire lacerator bloodghast damnable pact sign in blood
blood-chin fanatic death cloud sorin markov Inquisition of Kozilek
These are some of the things i could find
First it was a standard deck at one point yes, but i thought, maybe it was worth trying to upgrade to a better version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4m5WiXQQkU&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege TCC has his standard version of the deck (at the time) and i used it as a starting point.
Mostly this deck has trouble against artifacts, but other than that not entirely sure what it might be weak against. It's big strength is that most players won't be able to interact with the life loss other than getting lifelink creatures, and also that the rager makes anything warrior virtually unblockable. I really enjoy the spiteful returned as it can be used to buff a dude, and then once that creature dies, it becomes a creature, and both modes make you take lifeloss, it's really nasty.
The spells for removal and a few things could be replaced, but i need to find suitable ones. bile blight and languish just aint gunna cut it when there are other far more powerful spells. I would like to add another profane command
obvious upgrades like lili and bob would find their way into deck in some manner with damnation replacing languish,
As for how i have done this deck right or wrong, and the upgrades i am looking at, I would like to know if my thought process is right.
People keep telling me to give up on this list, but i'm not ready to yet, I find it fun and easy to play, and it can really take people by surprise with not alot of options.
I would love to see a similar list that someone comes up with based on this.
thank you in advance.
also looking at something like this: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/deck-creation-modern/578568-mono-black-aggro
The only problem with that build is the ones i have seen run 2 copies of oath nissa. I think she is about 20$ and i would be most interested in getting arlinns first. But may get both along with lands anyways.
Would putting the bushwhackers in mainboard be a good idea and over which card if this is something i should do? i think i could ger him to trigger alot of the time and possibly for reduced cost. Just no idea how to chang sideboard after that.
3x Breakneck Rider
4x Duskwatch Recruiter
4x Geier Reach Bandit
3x Hermit of the Natterknolls
3x Kessig Forgemaster
4x Lambholt Pacifist
3x Pack Guardian
4x Village Messenger
Land (23)
1x Cinder Glade
2x Evolving Wilds
7x Forest
9x Mountain
4x Timber Gorge
3x Moonlight Hunt
Enchantment (4)
4x Howlpack Resurgence
Artifact (2)
2x Neglected Heirloom
3x Clip Wings
1x Dragonlord Atarka
3x Fiery Impulse
2x Radiant Flames
3x Reckless Bushwhacker
3x Roast
Maybeboard (13)
1x Canopy Vista
4x Looming Spires
4x Rending Volley
1x Smoldering Marsh
3x Westvale Abbey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR32Jj1Ehu4&ab_channel=TheManaSource
So, this is the deck list i want to run for the next few months as it is cheap fast and easy.
I made only slight changes to the lands, and added a sideboard that i felt was appropriate, but neither are great options.
for lands it could easily be said that having a playset of game trails and cinder glades would be ideal, I just need to watch my funds for now, so i would prefer to stay away from them as they are 5$ a piece, puts the build well over 25$ for a playset of both.
Struggled with if i should run a vista and a marsh for the radiant flames to clear the board.
Westvale abbeys could be useful if I play with zada, but i'll have to get a few pieces for that, mostly commons and uncommons however.
Sideboard wasn't real easy choices, but since it was so low on removal i felt that was probably the best option to add.
I wanted roast for khalitas and clip wings for avacyn, fiery impulse is a great option for the zada build as i will be adding more spells anyway.
Finally i put in 3 bushwhackers and a dragonlord for alternative creatures, maybe another creature to replace impulse would be great there.
Some people i have talked to have suggested putting bushwhackers in the mainboard since it can grant haste to a team for just R if the recruiter is out and flipped, which may not be so hard with the bandits flipped form that can bring in wolfs already transformed.
As for cards that should be changed, nothing out of dragons/origins would be preferable and not over 10$ unless it is something like arlinn that directly ties into what the deck wants to focus on. so that rules out atarkas command regardless of how good it is. A higher end with a few game ending creatures might be nice too just so that there is a way to stop decks running sweepers and board clears which is the main concern i have in terms of playing it at fnm.
ulrich's kindred looks like it might fit in the deck and give decent protection.
curious what you guys think can be done.
been looking at this build.
got a chandra, got the walkers, got the roasts got a pia/kiran, so i have a starting point.
The deck not too exspensive in terms of money, but exspensive enough yes.
someone in the comments suggested abbey, of which i have 1, so that helps a bit, but i expect it to drop heavily in price soon.
is there anything in SOI that will be playable in this sort of deck? Prefered upgrades would be in the newer sets (bfz block) so i can keep the deck for longer
Never played RDW before, but from what i can gather is that it is a face is the place race deck. seems like alot of fun.