MTG Salvation

Quote from Mind Game

UWr is allot better, it doesn't depend on luck

Quote from Teuras

I really like Shinjutseis list. Been testing it for some hours with my testing-partner. I only made one change by taking Sorin Markov instead of Sphinx of Lost Truths.

Traumatic Visions is never a dead card. Its nice in late game to have a hard-counter. And in the early game to Cycle if I'm not hitting my land drops.

The only deck we have been having trouble against is the White Weenie with Conqueror's Pledge. My friend runs Calcite Snapper instead of Smother and it doesn't seem to make a big difference against the speed on the WW deck :/ After about 20-25 games we were at 30/70 against it. Any ideas how to beat/board against it? We were considering Pyroclasm against a Conqueror's Pledge that somehow succeeded to resolve, although it just seems like a waste of sideboard space against just one deck :/

Quote from subrosian

Baneslayer and 'Goyf have prices that reflect the difficulty of actually acquiring one, and the draft situation involving them. I.E. for Goyf the "booster opening" is all but over, the supply isn't increasing at a rate anywhere near the demand. Baneslayer... M10 drafting isn't the hot commodity anymore, so again, supply is low.

Both of these cards are from large sets, and both effectively sit at "mythic rarity" status in terms of pull chances.

Now look at Jace - small set, going to be heavily drafted, and not an automatic 4-of the way Baneslayer / Tarmagoyf are. Will his price hit $50 "realistically" at some point? Sure. Is the $60 pre-order price justified? No... it's retailers getting their money while they can, see Lotus Cobra.

Quote from subrosian

Jace is overvalued right now by a crowd that's looking at his potential advantage in a vacuum. His abilities are impressive - that's not an arguable point - but he's also a card I can't see dropping in a Grixis deck until Turn 7 or later... Jace comes down around the same time as Cruel Ultimatum, perhaps even later, because I need to protect him. He generates insane advantage, but he doesn't do that if he gets killed.

I'd rather have Cryptic Command because it does more to let me survive the early game - a bigger concern with Grixis Control - than Jace does.

Arguably UW Control has the best situation for using Jace right now - some kind of new wall-heavy control deck taking advantage of its Walls of Denial, Wall of Reverence, our new "Defenders gain life", solid removal like Path, cards like Baneslayer - and then with Jace coming down, the ability to just out-draw opponents. I would think UWR Control got more of a boost than any other deck from Jace.

As far as the Alara Block rotation - the assumption that removing cascade is going to re-break the format in favor of 'Walker is untrue. We're simply going to see cards like Pithing Needle, Vampire Hexmage and Mold Shambler go up in use over the "cascade into Blightning at your 'walker".

Quote from armlx

Doubt it.

Jace is a good card, but its no Cryptic Command. As a planeswalker that doesn't generate blockers, it more or less requires them. The -1 ability is not enough protection. It is also sorcery speed, clashing with the game plans of a deck like Grixis.

It is good in the UWr shell due to Wall of Denial, but that's about it for established decks. If there was a way to make an aggressive deck with it without just folding to the Jund base, the card would probably be much better.

Quote from Drekavac

It might be a bit of a stretch but perhaps something like this:

• 3 Forest
  
• 2 Swamp
  
• 3 Mountain
  
• 4 Savage Lands
  
• 4 Rootbound Crag
  
• 3 Dragonskull Summit
  
• 4 Verdant Catacombs
  
• 2 Lavaclaw Reaches
  

If you are playing Putrid Leech over Rampant Growth (it's kind of odd but from what I've seen most lists on MODO prefer Rampant Growth with some even playing all four) you might want to switch the numbers of Swamps and Mountains.

Here is an interesting question: Lavaclaw Reaches or Raging Ravine?

- Both die to Lightning Bolt
- Lavaclaw Reaches dies to Disfigure
- For 5 mana Raging Ravine deals 4, while Reaches deal 3
- Lavaclaw Reaches can, in theory, kill Wall of Denial or Sphinx of Jwar Isle in a single attack.

What do you guys think?

Quote from The Deceiver

Ever thought of adding the Dark Depths/Hexmage or Thopter/Sword combo into Faeries? Easily done and gamebreaking enough, yet no one ever makes the link. Pity some PTQs are going/were to be won/top8ed by such lists.

Quote from zero_99

i remember when faerie was dominating, people wanted bitterblossom banned.

and when 5cc emerged, people wanted reflecting pool with its absurd manabase banned.

some people still want tarmogoyf banned in older formats because it kills every other 2 drops available.

seriously, we all know none of these cards are overpowered. you're just looking for excuse.

i mean yes, sometimes you may lose to bad players or even bad decsk, but that just how the way it worked. crap happens. (LSV just lost to a pathetic mill deck round 1 in daily event on modo. he was playing grixis)

Quote from jamessooy

Dark Depths is the same deck, with or without Thopter Foundry. Since he includes both Dark Depths, and a listing on Tezzeret/Thopter Foundry, there's really no reason to show every variation.

Don't hate, bro.