MTG Salvation

It's a vigilance bear with occasional upside. It's a solid 2.5 star creature and I'm not sure white has room in smaller cubes for it.

I don't think anyone seriously believes Salt is a troll. He's just a career contrarian trying to spread The Truth to the rest of us plebs.

I really hope he doesn't get banned, this posts are the second funniest on this board.

What's your point?

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yeah weird question. i think the best idea of the playability is to look at the kicked cost card, since most of the time you wont cast the unkicked card any wayy

Disagree. Curving out wins games. If I have nothing else to do on turn 2, you can bet your ass I'm going to cast my Untamed Kavu for 1G.

It doesn't matter if the kicker cost is +2 or +5, what matters is wheather you're getting a good rate. If the base made or the kicked mode is aggressively costed, and the other mode is at least fairly costed, then the flexibility can push it over the line.

Into the Roil vs Repulse is a decent thought exercise as neither option is strictly better, but both are perfectly cubeable in peasant (although I'm not currently running either).

A cube designer that could replace Cubetutor?

God why couldn't it be white though.

Cryptic Caves reminds me a lot Blighted Cataract. Obviously it's cheaper and colourless but is that enough of an upside to bump out a low-tier artifact or one of the other utility lands?

Corpse Knight is pretty cool but I'm not sure I want to cut any of my Orzhov cards. Orzhov has lots of cool options.

People getting excited about Flame Sweep are dreaming.

My changes:

Repulse -> Ghostly Flicker: Going to go deeper on flickering with a few of the cards in this set so I'm going to put this back in. Repulse is probably better on average but Flicker is more degenerate.
More or Less -> Watcher for Tomorrow: Couldn't find a creature I wanted to swap this with, so I decided since to remove some cute jank instead.
Weapon Surge -> Goblin Oriflamme: The blow-out potential on Weapon Surge is higher, but I think I prefer the consistency of the Oriflame.
Darkthicket Wolf -> Saddled Rimestag: There's some fun "threat of activation" gameplay being lost here, but Rimestag is going to be more efficient as a beatstick in the early game. I could see myself going back on this if the activations aren't as consistent as I would like. The wolf is certainly better in a longer game.
Harm's Way -> Valiant Changeling: Decided white has plenty of good removal that I can trim some of the less efficient stuff. I'm optimistic on this coming down by turn4 in most games, and hopefully turn3 with some consistency.
Curse of Opulence -> Bogadan Dragonheart : Jank for spicier Jank. I don't think this guy has gotten enough love.
Cloudshift -> Ephemerate: Yeah.
Whisper, Blood Liturgist -> First-Sphere Gargantua: Whisper is too cute for her own good. Gargantua is a more practical and exciting card.
Carrier Thrall -> Putrid Goblin: Nobody is talking about this guy but I think he's slightly better than the Thrall. The ramp is nice from Thrall but is is super significant? I'm really interested to hear other peoples thoughts on this one. Maybe I'm just late to the party cutting this guy and that's why nobody has mentioned it.
Reflector Mage -> Soulherder: Soulherder is cute and fits in with all the blink cards I've just added. Reflector Mage is better in a vacuum but I want some spice in my gold cards!
Vaporkin -> Faerie Seer: Alright I've been convinced that this is a reasonable 1drop, but I decided I still like having Omenspeaker around. Vaporkin has enough almost-strictly-better cards around these days that I'm comfortable cutting it.
Skysnare Spider -> Mother Bear: Self-mill hasn't got a lot of love in my cube at the moment but the means are there and this is a good payoff in the deck that wants it while still being decent in the broader environment. I wasn't really sure what cut I wanted so I decided to trim one of the less exciting high-cmc creatures. This would have been Nessian Asp if we hadn't just gotten a bunch of "counters matter" cards recently.

Cards I decided not to add:
Alpine Guide - I don't think the red deck that wants ramp on turn4 is going to be stoked about having to attack with this guy every turn. it's a nice bump in the curve but you really haven to spend the mana for it to be worth anything.
Cunning Evasion - I couldn't find a cut I was happy with for this, and the comments that were posted earlier have cooled me a bit on this card. Interested to hear playtest results from the guys who've added it.
Everdream - Too expensive.
Nantuko Cultivator - If I were to go deep on green based +1/+1 counters or threshold(style) cards then I'd be more inclined to use this. For now I'll probably order one and maybe it'll find a niche down the line.
Splicer's Skill - The pun is good so I'm disappointed it costs 1 too much to cube.
Ravenous Giant - Big dumb red guy is not what I'm after these days.
Vesperlark - I wanted to like this but I think it's too narrow.
Martyr's Soul - I think it's too cute for its own good. Let me know if I'm wrong because I like the design a lot.
Phantasmal Form - The floor isn't too bad on this, but 2U is steep for a trick and not something I'd want to hold up and not get value from.
Winding Way - Another card that goes better with self-mill. Maybe one day.

MTGSalvation has new owners and will be continuing on.

But the mods are still going forward with their spinoff website MTGNexus.

Way to split the communities!

This is not a cycle.

I don't know about you guys but i usually have three 1/1 Elementals on the board at all times.

And even then I don't want this card.

VariSami and Funkdragon both mentioned Cunning Evasion, but I think it deserves more discussion. For two mana you never have to lose an attacking creature unless you want to. Your opponent has to weigh up the costs of taking a hit vs letting you recast your ETB value creature. You don't have to push a Blink archetype for this to be good, you just have to run strong ETB creatures. You can drop it on turn 2 if you have nothing to do, or just as likely drop it on turn 5 once you've developed your board and immediately get value.

It seems like one of those cards that makes optimizing combat a nightmare for your opponent in the same way that something like Maw of the Obzedat does.

The art is also cool and I suspect it'll make an awesome foil for those who care about these things

I think it's a sleeper candidate for best card in the set.

Am I taking crazy pills or does anybody else think Faerie Seer is kind of crap?

Unlike Cloudfin Raptor or Pteramander which both are likely to achieve reasonable bodies, all the Farerie will ammount to is Flying Men. Omen Speaker might cost more, and a 1/3 isn't anything to write home about but it does a decent enough job holding the ground.


This dies in literally all combat scenarios, and often won't even trade. As far as average floors for cards go, "U: Scry 2, then fog a creature" is not where I want to be at.

Reddit and Discord are both *****ty replacements for a real forum. I hope that whatever the mods are cooking is a real forum because otherwise we'll probably be losing an irreplaceable resource.

You can't have a 14.6k post thread on reddit with continuous conversation, and discord isn't really any better.