Anyone remember when "Demon, flying, trample, X/X for Mana Value X" was attached to a huge downside??
Of course, this is hardly the best demon around, just the MV of 6 makes it unplayable in many decks and even formats, but it still feels weird to me to get something with all upside.
I wonder how he fits in story-wise, seeing he's the size of Elder Demons...
Yeah, this is also something that blows my mind. Black flying creatures in general had a huge power issue. I remember seeing Necrogen Scudder and thinking wow, a 3 mana 3 power flyer in black. Awesome! Now that kind of mana parity for flying demons is pretty standard. I definitely like this card, but I won't be able to accidentally lose when I cast it like Demonlord Belzenlok. He killed me a few times by drawing too many cards. Lol.
If this topic continues to go down this road, after I've already made multiple notes about discontinuing it, this thread will be locked. Remain on topic and discuss the card.
Ooo - i figured it out. You blink your disturbed critter, have it die again, disturb it again, fb this - repeat. Thats 3 casts from the graveyard, 2 creature casts all for the low low cost of a card and 5 turns!
This is what i was trying to say on Twitter. In limited, having to kill the same flier 4 or more times is absurd.
I've seen a lot of people describe this as an almost Dec-in-Stone, but it's really not the same at all. The only similarity is the clue token. Dec is more in the vein of an echo spell: i.e. Echoing Truth or Legion's End. This is instant and hits both creatures and planeswalkers, its more like Swift End or Hero's Downfall with investigate tacked on. The clue token saves you a mana vs both of these cards, and I think its going to be super powerful in the right meta/deck.
It continues to surprise me how many cards in recent sets have the "once per turn" rider. Would this be totally broken if you got three clues after a wrath?
Definitely need that, too. Lets us skip the toys and go straight to casting Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger on turn 3. Exile both their lands, and call it a day.
Exactly. This is not as good as anguished unmaking, utter end nor vindicate which can hit lands. That's why this isn't rare despite the flashback. It's not even as good as despark or vanishing verse. Alas, some decks indeed want and prefer cards which sacrifice permanents like Teysa, Orzhov Scion, so that's who benefits from this printing most.
In upcoming Standard this will hold a lot of value if B/x decks continue to run Eyetwitch and Shambling Ghast. With Ghast you can even still kill another creature or get there treasure and it exiles their permanent, which is one plus over Vindicate.
Also, he *has* to be kind of cold dressed like that in the middle of a stormy sea, right?
But CRAB ARMOR! My god if I don't now also wish to don a set of crabs legs as armor. I'm going to try testing this out in a few different Historic combo decks for sure.
Is this the "single pushed rare with otherwise weak set mechanic that will keep that mechanic around kinda forever" of the set? Honestly I like this just for its stats and its graveyard sniping, but the almost-protection will come in handy if you ever get a coven going.
Thankfully, monowhite already plays tons of creatures with different powers, so it shouldn't be too hard to meet Coven for just this card.
I’m extremely unexcited by this, lol. We’ve all been intimately familiar with this guy for 10 years now. The reaction from my playgroup was a resounding “K”
Funny, how that works. My local playgroup was excited to see Delver back in Standard.
Yeah, this is also something that blows my mind. Black flying creatures in general had a huge power issue. I remember seeing Necrogen Scudder and thinking wow, a 3 mana 3 power flyer in black. Awesome! Now that kind of mana parity for flying demons is pretty standard. I definitely like this card, but I won't be able to accidentally lose when I cast it like Demonlord Belzenlok. He killed me a few times by drawing too many cards. Lol.
And I love Ormendahl. So glad he's back, again.
This is what i was trying to say on Twitter. In limited, having to kill the same flier 4 or more times is absurd.
Definitely need that, too. Lets us skip the toys and go straight to casting Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger on turn 3. Exile both their lands, and call it a day.
Turn 1: Temple Garden, Llanowar Elves
Turn 2: Breeding Pool, Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy
Turn 3: Land, Mox Amber, Tap Temple Garden for W, Llanowar Elves for GG, Mox Amber for UU ->
Teferi, Who Slows the Sunsent -> +1 untapping Llanowar, Temple Garden, and Mox Amber
with G still floating from Llanowar Elves, tap Llanowar Elves, add GG, tap Mox Amber for UU, tap lands for 3 mana, you now have 3GGGUU, you can activate Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy or cast Ugin, the Spirit Dragon or Koma, Cosmos Serpent. Christmasland is fun!
In this scenario, 3 lands plus Llanowar, Kinnan, and Mox Amber give you 7 mana, while you get 8 mana after casting Teferi. He gains you a mana.
In upcoming Standard this will hold a lot of value if B/x decks continue to run Eyetwitch and Shambling Ghast. With Ghast you can even still kill another creature or get there treasure and it exiles their permanent, which is one plus over Vindicate.
But CRAB ARMOR! My god if I don't now also wish to don a set of crabs legs as armor. I'm going to try testing this out in a few different Historic combo decks for sure.
Thankfully, monowhite already plays tons of creatures with different powers, so it shouldn't be too hard to meet Coven for just this card.
Funny, how that works. My local playgroup was excited to see Delver back in Standard.