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You have G-Tron, and then you have World Creator and a sideboard package.
Fine upgrade, but take out 4 main deck cards, and its nothing but G-Tron that we have endured since Newlamog.
It's pretty damn good. My teammate for Team Trios today had that version and it was pretty gassy.
I read here that GKourou is interested in Tron now and after seeing it in action Friday a bit and today, I am down as well. I am going to the dark side! (if I can muster enough money up, freaking Mycosynth Lattice...$30 card)
Still have my darksteel copy in my binder lol. I might sleeve up burn tonight just due to this surge.
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You have the right idea. Mainboard Blood Moons are tough, although I haven't run the new version with 3 Coalition Relic. I will name some decks that are rough matchups for Amulet, even if they are not played much. I hope this is received well because honestly someone could just say, "outside of Phoenix and Dredge, I'm not going to see other matchups," which can be fairly true.
Knightfall, Bant Spirits, most decks with Company like Druid/Vizier and Elves. Grishoalbrand. There are more decks, but since I just woke up from a nap (and haven't played Amulet for quite a while), I'll leave it at that.
Big mana decks are a positive matchup in my experience, if only by a little bit. With Summer Bloom, I know for sure that Tron was super easy. I think I was 13-1 or something like that vs. Tron during that time. The banning put the matchup closer to 50/50. I think I was 4-2 since. Titanshift and Breach are slightly slower, but make up for it with ultra consistency.
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Even "Mono Red" decks like Burn played it; splashing Black is no consequence to them. The card is just stupidly and absurdly powerful. Still I think the combination of a weaker supporting cast don't make it higher than Faithless Looting for sure and possibly even Ancient Stirrings as potential ban targets (saying it were legal now).
Yes, it does homogenize. What does that word even freaking mean? It's certainly overused in Magic and underused with milk. Nearly every deck runs Lightning Bolt. It's good, damn good. Decks have splashed for Lightning Bolt before as well. I just don't get how every card that people don't want to see homogenizes a color, but Lightning Bolt always gets a free pass. There will always be more powerful options in a color. Serum Visions does what Preordain would do regarding homogenization of decks. It would not be played in any current deck that Serum Visions is already not a part of.
But I will quit talking about this for now. I see someone coming in here saying..."are we seriously talking about Deathrite Shaman right now?" in 2, 3, 4...
*Also I agree with you that Ichorid would definitely see a place. I don't want to see Ichorid in Modern. Our local Dredge dude was frothing at the mouth at a potential reprint. And I mean Dredge dude; he owes his first Pro Tour qualification to the ubiquitous Golgari Grave-Troll.
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Yep, pretty insane stuff. Looking to be about $53 on the low end. I wish I had bought a million of those at $5 each instead of 4 during Standard. I literally hardly ever used the freaking things!
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I partially agree with him though. I literally only found the Eldrazi Winter meta to be the only unplayable one.
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I love you man. This seriously made me laugh and my eyes are still watering. Thanks.
This is exaggerating. Eldrazi had 30% at most. Should it have had 50% (or higher)? Yes, most certainly, yes! But you can't force people to play the best deck, not close, if they feel their soul is being sold to the devil. (my soul already belonged to the devil after playing Griselbrand for 3 months straight)
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I think like GKourou said, there should be no bannings until after we see the effects of Modern Horizons. There's no point banning a card before then when Horizons could actually make that card palateable.
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I can see that. A player sitting around drooling or using the restroom while his opponent maneuvers half of a crucial turn is very bad game play, especially when watched on stream. I just think that sometimes, some people get caught up with thinking they have a chance against 3-4 creatures, but not against 1 recurring artifact. But that's too bad. I am one of those players that takes joy in my opponent's brain going into nowhere land while I draw my deck.
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This is why I didn't completely understand the Krark-Clan Ironworks ban. Everyone knew that KCI as a deck was just a bit better than UR Phoenix overall. Eli Kassis kind of proved this by winning a GP in a top 8 of 4 KCI with his UR Phoenix, but more so by CRUUUSHING them in the Swiss. Sure, KCI was better overall vs. the rest of the meta on a whole, but it was pretty close.
Banning KCI took some percentage of KCI and planted it firmly into the UR Phoenix category. Is a meta with 20.2% better than 9.5% and 10.7% at the top? Who knows? Banning KCI made the format a bit more interactive, but the effect wore off quickly. If you can't beat what Phoenix is bringing to the table, you better beat every other deck you face. Even then...
Now we are on that slope. Faithless Looting gets banned probably so that Dredge doesn't just become the de facto BEST deck. What is going to come of the format after that? I truly hope that Modern Horizons shakes things up at least mediumly. I want to see all fair things printed, no matter how powerful they are - Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix, Leovold, Counterspell, maybe even Swords to Plowshares (but I don't actually want that), Fact or Fiction, Containment Priest, Recruiter of the Guard, Planar Void, etc. etc. Something drastic has to be done so that the format doesn't devolve into "ban the best deck" until there's another, then ban that one too. I felt that way before in Modern and I haaaaated it!
Regarding Phoenix vs. Twin - Twin was around since late 2011, even if it did have Preordain and Ponder before. We have to give Phoenix a bit of a longer run to tell if the meta can autocorrect itself. My guess is that it can IF and only IF Wizards is willing to print risky cards in Modern Horizons and also unban risky fair cards, releasing them back into the Modern meta. We'll see. (yes, the numbers are way worse than Twin, which I believe was 15% at most at any time; that always made me mad, that 15% for a deck is enough to get it banned
*P.S. - I thought Wizards was supposed to hide all the info? Then we could have most players not knowing how good Phoenix is. Some players would know, but they would have no way to prove it. Outside of some players remarking on their Twitter or other social media that they saw a plethora of Phoenix near the top tables of Day 2, nobody would actually have real proof. What happened to that? Is it another failed Wizard's experiment?
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I've played a turn 1 Chalice of the Void on the play vs. Phoenix before (Simian Spirit Guide) and STILL lost. They just cast 1 mana spells to flip a Thing and went to work. Now maybe I should have had creatures to back up that Chalice, but the best creatures in the format cost 0, 1, or 2 right now. It's tough to play around your own Chalice when your deck most likely needs to avoid 1 mana creatures to make the impact of Chalice more 1 sided. How many 2 mana creatures am I going to cast after I've taken 7?