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Jun 17, 2019Wow! This thread really took off since I've been gone getting slaughtered at a MCQ.Posted in: Modern
Hogaak Vine just won the Gamers and Geeks 2005 Mustang GT tournament. The player was a player who I used to occasionally play with in California, but I see he's moved on. (I think the tournament was in Alabama) For what it's worth, you can look it up on Facebook.
Before the MCQ and in between rounds, I played it vs. a local player who runs Cheerios. After I beat him in the first game, he literally slaughtered me the next 3 games in a row. But players are not willing to make deck changes like this because, "who likes Cheerios?" He's happy for this type of meta. I am all right with this type of meta because I could move on to NeoBrand, which is just quicker than a deck like Hogaak Vine that has literally no disruption for NeoBrand in its 75. (sorry, 2 SB Thoughtseize)
If players are not willing to adjust like I've seen a million players here say again and again, then they DESERVE to lose. I'm sorry for being blunt. Players during Eldrazi Winter that played me usually were not willing to play the best deck. They usually lost. All they could say is that "it will get banned." Well, during that time in which I bought the Eldrazi pieces that I was missing (only the new ones), I netted $1,300 worth of cash and prizes. I'm okay with it getting banned. That was obvious. It didn't mean that I was going to force myself to lose before it does actually get banned.
I do think something is going to get banned in Hogaak Vine. I prefer a Modern Horizons card (Hogaak/Altar) because things were not really fine, but not bannable per se before this set. Carrion Feeder also definitely helped, but it's not the culprit.
Remember what I said about Ravenous Trap? Already went up from $3.40 to $5 so far. Not sure how far it can go, but makes sense that it is in an upward projectile currently, even if it is hard to buyout an uncommon.
P.S. - How many players have 1 Emrakul, the Aeon's Torn in their SB?
Jun 15, 2019Played Hogaak Vine in a Team Trios today. I personally went 4-2 and our team got 5th (out of prizing for only top 4) because of an early concession by a teammate.Posted in: Modern
Round 1 vs. Esper. I was up 1-0 when my teammates won. I probably would have lost game 2. I drew all except 4 lands in my deck with more than half my deck left.
Round 2 vs. Mirror. I win because I draw more Leylines and Wispmares than he does.
Round 3 vs. Burn. He wins by having a certain number of cards, I don't draw Altar, and he is dead both times on the crack back if he doesn't do exact lethal.
Round 4 vs. Mirror. I win because I draw more Leylines and Wispmares.
Round 5 vs. Humans. I lose 0-2 because I draw Altar of Dementia on the final turn before exact lethal both times with not enough mana to cast it. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben.
Round 6 vs. Devoted Druid combo. We are tied 1-1 in the final game, but it looked like my mediocre beats were going to beat Rest in Peace.
Pretty disgusting tournament for local great players who were prepared for the deck, for the most part.
Jun 15, 2019I agree. It's too early to talk about bans.Posted in: Modern
But I will say this. The Hogaak Vine deck is very, very strong and can play through multiple forms of hate. If you have all the hate, they can beat you down with a bunch of 2/1s and Carrion Feeder. In my opinion, it is one of the strongest decks I've ever played in Modern. It is in the top 5 - I would say UR Eldrazi was number 1, and Rhino Pod, Bloom Titan, Grishoalbrand, GGT Dredge, and the new Hogaak Vine deck all take up the next 4-5 spots.
*Also, regarding the turn 4 rule, NeoBrand is a HUGE offender. That deck either wins, turn 1, 2, 3, or usually not at all after that. Maybe I've just gotten extremely lucky? Everyone I know watched LSV stream it and draw horribly and came to the conclusion that if LSV can't 5-0 (10-0 in games), then it's a terrible deck. I watched some of those games too and I stopped watching when he kept drawing terrible hands.
Jun 15, 201926 person FNM.Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
Round 1 vs. Tron. I empty my hand out ridiculously quickly and even turn 3 Tron on the play, Karn or Wurmcoil would not be enough since I had a creature sacrifice outlet and he was low on life. No grave hate seen here and game 2, I do Ingot Chewer to chew an Expedition Map on turn 2. This bought me time. 2-0.
Round 2 vs. Mono Red Phoenix. In the first game, he played Bolts and Prowess Bros on the play to put me to 1 life. But I uncap and mill him out to win. In the next game, he Loots Phoenix into Bolt/Bolt/Surgical Extraction my Vengevines, swing with Phoenix. I can't race this, although I have him dead on board on my turn 3 to a quick draw, but he untags and Bolt, Bolt, Forked Bolt. I die. In the final game, it is similar, but I am able to block a Prowess dude with a Zombie from Bridge from Below, after he Prowess dude into Loot, Bolt, Surgical Extraction and Phoenix swing. But I have nothing on the untap. May have gotten there if I found an Altar of Dementia or Hogaak. Maybe... 1-2.
Round 3 vs. UB Mill. He does Surgical Extraction X 2 in game 1, but I cast Hogaak from hand and swing him twice. In the next game, he got Extirpate X 2 and Surgical Extraction X 2, but I once again finally draw Hogaak (he had no milling pressure) and swing him twice. He had 2 cards in hand before the lethal swing after drawing a card for the turn. He played Ensnaring Bridge (and I had no Altar of Dementia left in the deck), but I had Shenanigans in my graveyard. I Dredge 1. Ingot Chewer falls in the graveyard and he scoops. 2-0.
Round 4 vs. UR Phoenix. In the first game, he missed flipping a turn 2 Thing in the Ice on turn 3 on the play, so he had to chump Hogaak, Carrion Feeder, or Vengevine for lethal. He can't win after that. In the next game, he DOES flip Thing in the Ice, even after turn 1 Ravenous Trap when I Loot 2 Bridge from Below in the yard. Manamorphoses get it flipped and he Bolts enough stuff out of the way, while adding a Phoenix to the mix to finish me. In the final game, he has Ravenous Trap, but I put 2 cards in the yard, play a bunch of 1 mana dudes and Delve 2 cards to cast Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis on turn 3. He scoops. 2-1.
I finish 3-1. Another guy finished 4-0 with the deck. Amazing deck! Definitely gives me an upper hand and I have not always had that in Modern.
Jun 14, 2019https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22176&d=350108&f=MOPosted in: Modern
This was my search from 5-1-19 to 6-14-19. Surely this can't be the only reason, outside of a buyout, that Teferi's Puzzle Box spiked? Odd to me. I guess it's more speculation of what it does with Narset, Parter of Veils more than someone actually going out and getting results that show up on mtgtop8?
Jun 14, 2019Do you have a deck list for a list with Teferi's Puzzle Box? I saw the card spike a bunch and I was curious as to what it is being played in specifically. (In addition to a buyout of course.)Posted in: Modern
The other option is I can probably type Teferi's Puzzle Box in mtgtop8 and see what deck lists pop up.
Jun 14, 2019Posted in: ModernQuote from cfusionpm »Back on Modern-relevant topics, I'm looking forward to running 2 main deck and 4-6 sideboard GY hate pieces to fight the inevitable influx of Hogaak decks that will take over the store this FNM.
Relic of Progenitus main and either Ravenous Trap or Leyline of the Void for the SB. These would be the strongest in my opinion, although I haven't tested SBed games with Hogaak Vine enough to know which are the worst in each situation.
Jun 14, 2019Posted in: ModernQuote from idSurge »Shhhh FCG. I want it to hit $10.
I feel you. My friend who doesn't even play that much says that if they hit $10, he's buying literally thousands of dollars worth of them. I believe him because he managed to get 8 of the 10 War of the Spark Mythic Boxes that he ordered (through varying identities of course). I told him they won't hit that. But it got me thinking. I may be willing to invest around $500 myself towards a bunch of these if they do in fact go down to that price.
*As of right now, I actually need 4 Nurturing Peatland foils for my Elves deck to replace Horizon Canopies. It's one of the few decks that I actually really enjoy playing in Modern right now.
**I should also state that Ravenous Trap seems to be on the move (again) a bit. I'm telling you, any card that helps deal with the new Hogaak Vine deck is definitely going to be precious material in the next few months. Humans is probably one of the few decks that can somewhat hang with it, so Humans could possibly go up as well, but that's a bit of a stretch.
Jun 13, 2019I think Horizon lands are amazing.Posted in: Modern
I learned this many years ago when our local Pro Player (pure Control player) used to run Kithkin at FNM (just to prove that he can beat scrubs with anything, not just Control). He always ran 4 Horizon Canopy, which I questioned at first. Then I quickly realized it just gives more options with very little drawback.
Jun 13, 2019Yep, Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis is what makes the deck super strong. It's tough to beat a turn 2 8/8 trampler. That makes even Death's Shadow look puny. But the Altar puts the deck in a different dimension, where turn 3s are the norm.Posted in: Modern
(I'm speaking as someone who's been testing the deck like crazy the past 3 days.)
Jun 13, 2019Patching, like Finale of Devastation and Scour all Possibilities?Posted in: Modern
Cards like this are driving me away from Modern. I'm just waiting for the "fixed" Stoneforge Mystic and then I'm probably out.
Jun 13, 2019Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)Quote from Lectrys »Wow, your latest tournament report makes this deck's combo turns seem pretty inconsistent, FoodChainGoblins. I don't really recall fizzling whenever I draw 14 or more cards in a single turn.
I really should have specified how I comboed out in game 1. I did turn 1, Summoner's Pact for Allosaurus Rider, exile Summoner's Pact AND Nourishing Shoal to cast Allosaurus Rider, exile Simian Spirit Guide, Manamorphose, Neoform the Rider for Griselbrand.
Exiling a Nourishing Shoal makes it tougher to find #2-4. But with Celestial Colonnade in play, I had to decide whether things would get better later on or when he's tapped out. I'd rather lose while fizzling than to some random Spell Snare, Spell Pierce, or the more common, Logic Knot or Mana Leak.
In the next game, I went off on turn 4 with a Pact of Negation (which I eventually would lose to) for his Spell Queller. In this game, I did NOT exile Nourishing Shoal or Summoner's Pact, but I had a pocket of 3 Nourishing Shoal in 4 cards near the bottom of my deck when I checked after losing. As someone who played Grishoalbrand for over a year, these types of shuffles can happen. (with any deck for that matter; when I play test GB Rock, I rarely have turn 1 discard )
*Sorry if there's any typos. My computer keeps changing the spelling and I get tired of typing the same stuff over and over again.
My version BTW
Jun 13, 2019Do you see the prices going up even with the new wave of War of the Spark boxes coming out soon? A friend at my LGS says that there will more supply at that time, thus the prices of individual cards should come down.Posted in: Modern
Jun 13, 2019(I already know the answer to this, but my bullheaded self needs to hear it from others.)Posted in: Modern
What do you think about buying Teferi, Time Raveler and Karn, the Great Creator? My LGS is selling Teferi at $18 and Karn at $14, which is way higher than I can get elsewhere. But I have a bunch of Store Credit, so I almost don't care. Then again, I have no need for them any time soon. I need 3 more Karn and 3 more Teferi, as I was able to buy them at $10 a piece at another store, but that's all they had in stock.
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