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  • posted a message on "What Deck Should I Play" thread
    I think both are excellent choices, but Humans is the deck most likely to get an upgrade with the printing of a playable Human. It could happen the other way around with a pushed Spirit, but Human is my feeling.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Your most favorite unban in Modern and why?
    Quote from Mortal Coil »
    Sword of the Meek was the most hilarious unban. People were on tinterhooks about how broken it would be, only to find out that it wasn't even that good in the context of that meta. It also helped pave the way for more interesting unbans, like JtMS and BBE.
    Quote from headminerve »
    My fav is Sword of the Meek because I really enjoy playing it in UB Tezz, especially with Kaladesh being released soon after and allowing brews to improve the Sword Foundry combo.

    I think Valakut brought sme frustrating moments in my experience of Modern, so it's not the most enjoyable to me, even though it had a big impact.
    Jace is very symbolical, but I prefer to play it in legacy. In modern it doesn't bring me no excitment.

    That was my vote as well. I loved shoving those words back in peoples' faces; "Sword of the Meek" is sooo broken. Lol.

    Also it doesn't hurt that I sold 800 play sets of the cards once it was unbanned. Grin That was my biggest 1 day payday in Magic. I made almost as much as I make in 2 months at my regular job.

    *Actually I wanted it to be good in Modern. Tested the snot out of UB Tezzeret when it was unbanned, only to find that it lost to my other decks. Not a good place to be (I calculated it's win percentage in my testing to be 40%) Ugh. So, my actual reason for enjoying this unban was tri-fold.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    I had a rough FNM as well. 20 players I think.

    Round 1 vs. Burn. Yes! The main reason I chose Bogles tonight. I draw well and win pretty easily. Didn't get life gain until turn 4 in the first one, but had a good defense and he got stuck on 2 lands. Leyline of Sanctity before the next one started and DOUBLE Daybreak Coronet. That is a rare bird! 2-0.

    Round 2 vs. UW Control. The friend I rode with to the FNM. Wink In the first game, my first 9 draw steps are 8 lands and a 2nd Path to Exile (already had one in my opener). Lost this one. In the next game, I have quick pressure and he scoops before playing out his turn 4. In the final game, I have pressure and when he taps out for Cryptic Command, I land Gaddock Teeg. That spells game for him, as he can't find Path to Exile. He must be one of the most unlucky UW players because they always find X Path to Exile for X Gaddock Teeg. Only he doesn't, at least against me. Shrugs 2-1.

    Round 3 vs. Ad Nauseam. My other friend, who couldn't carpool with us today because he needed to pick something up from home. He wanted to play Dredge, as that's what he's been playing online. Another friend there who has played Dredge for his lifetime convinced him not to play it in paper the first time without some reps. I told him that it would be fine. Dredge honestly isn't that tough to play in my opinion. Also it would be nicer for Bogles (me) to play against Dredge. Nope, he listened to the other guy and ran me over with Ad Nauseam. I mull to an amazing 6 with Kor Spiritdancer - the card you want vs. Ad Nauseam. I have him dead on turn 4, but he kills me on turn 4. I Love is in the air losing die rolls. In the next game, he turn 4 plays Spoils of the Vault with Lab Man in play. My 6 card hand was not going to beat the following turn's Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace anyway. Quick 4 minute match. 0-2.

    Round 4 vs. GB. Disclaimer: I've beaten this guy something like 20 out of 22 times, so it would be frustrating to lose here. I win the only die roll I won tonight. Actually pretty solid average for me at 25%. Grin I win game 1 with pressure and a fetchland up. Had everything. In the next game, I mulligan 2 zero land hands and get double Languish in this one. Still drew more Bogles to rebuild, but Liliana of the Veil ended that. It sucks drawing your 1 of Dryad Arbor. Can't beat that on 5? In the final game, I have a lot of early pressure, but it dies off. He ends up getting Nissa Worldwaker and then eventually triple Tireless Tracker. 3 Ass Trophies keep him from losing because every 4 draw steps, I draw something to kill him, but he makes an Ass out of that 4th draw step. He is at 1 life. I need to draw Gryff's Boon or the only Spirit Mantle I left in. The 2 Path to Exile that I left in do not cut it anymore, although they did when he was at 1. I don't draw those and I lose. Considered putting in Gaddock Teeg just for Languish. It's funny how a Nissa Worldwaker vs. nothing from me for 8 turns straight does wonders. Rough, rough beats. 1-2.

    I go 2-2, which is pretty humbling. Just came back from the Denver Grand Prix Team Limited where we beat PGO (I beat Reid personally) and nearly beat the 2nd place finishers in the win-and-in to Day 2. But then come back and lose to a friend who I'm nearly 15-5 vs. lifetime and a guy who I've beaten +90% of the time. That's magic for ya! That's why people LOOOOOVE this game!
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Quote from Wraithpk »
    Quote from ktkenshinx »

    If it didn't decrease diversity then yes. I'm just not convinced it wouldn't decrease it.
    So what's our definition of decreasing diversity? Let's say Twin comes back, and it usurps both the Blue Moon decks and UR Wizards decks, all of whom are tier ~3 or 4 strategies, but it itself is a competitively viable deck without being dominant. Is that considered decreasing diversity? Yeah, we lose a couple fringe decks, but we gain another competitive option in the format. I personally would view that as an increase to diversity. I don't think the diversity of tier "playable" decks is what really matters. What matters is the diversity at the top levels of competitive play.

    So now we should discuss how Twin looks against the current top tier meta game. Here's the top decks on mtggoldfish right now: Burn, UW Control, Tron, Jund, Humans, Dredge, Spirits, Jeskai, Hollow One, GDS, Mardu Pyro, Hardened Scales. I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on these matchups, I'll give my impressions as a former Twin player:

    Burn: Toss up. Burn vs. Twin was always close IMO, and neither deck has changed much since 2015.
    UW Control: UW is favored. Blue control was always a bad matchup for Twin, and these decks are WAY stronger now than they were in 2015. An interesting thing, too, is that UW can safely tap out for Teferi and plus him.
    Tron: I'm honestly not sure, but I think it would be close to even, if not maybe slightly in Tron's favor now. This was traditionally a good matchup for Twin, but it had gotten much closer after the printing of Ulamog in BFZ. Now Tron has things like World Breaker, Walking Ballista, and Thought-knot Seer. I'd like to hear other opinions here.
    Jund: Was always a rough matchup. They now have BBE and Trophy, and Last Hope is brutal against our tempo plan, as she kills all of our creatures except Exarch. Even with Twin getting JTMS post board, I feel like this would still be in Jund's favor.
    Humans: I think the Humans deck would have to change to incorporate more instant speed interaction, but I could see Humans being favored if it did. They have a lot of troublesome creatures for Twin. Freebooter looks at our hand and can take Twins or removal spells, Meddling Mage can name removal or combo pieces, little Thalia taxes our spells, big Thalia hoses our combo unless we kill her, Vial + Reflector Mage blows us out if we try and combo into it, all while applying a fast clock that Twin will struggle to contain. But this shouldn't surprise anyone, Humans does this to every combo synergy deck, that's why it's so good.
    Dredge: Twin is almost certainly favored. This is the type of deck Twin used to beat up on. Dredge has good tools they're already playing in their sideboard, though, like Thoughtseize, Lightning Axe, Nature's Claim, and Trophy. It's possible Dredge could be favored post-board.
    Spirits: This one is interesting to think about. Spell Queller can delay your attempt to combo, and then Drogskol Captains can come down and protect the Queller. They do play a full playset of Path main, as well. I'm not sure about this matchup, I feel like it could go either way.
    Jeskai: Blue control, would probably be favored.
    Hollow One: Twin would probably be favored here against anything but their most busted draws.
    GDS: I think GDS would be a pretty strong favorite. It's a deck full of everything that was good against Twin: discard spells, removal, permission, and a fast clock.
    Mardu Pyro: Ugh, this one looks like it would be miserable. This matchup was a bloodbath when SCG did their video. Pretty solidly in Mardu's favor.
    Hardened Scales: Probably in Twin's favor. Twin always beat Affinity, but I think Scales would actually be better against Twin. Twin still probably favored, though.

    So by my count, that's 3 of the top 12 decks that I'm pretty sure Twin would be good against, 5 where I'm pretty sure it would be unfavored, and the remaining 4 are either even or I'm not sure. What's everyone else's opinions on these?

    I believe that the "diversity" that they refer to is not necessarily just at the very top levels. Twin brought back would do that by 1 deck, or 3-4 depending on how you separate Grixis, RUG, and UR (or JEskai). But it would decrease diversity potentially at other levels. Some decks just wouldn't be playable if many players play Twin. But then some have the argument that those decks are actually not playable right now. So I really don't know how to appease both sides. Shrugs
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    I think Walking Ballista has already stayed near $12 and I also noticed a HUGE spike on foils. I saw some at nearly $80 OMG Sometimes the foil prices foretell a future for the non foils going up.

    I think it will just depend on how much those cards are used in Modern and potentially EDH (I don't know much about the current state of this).
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on GWx Vizier Company
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/1402202#paper

    This man is O N F I R E !!! Mad

    Another 5-0 finish!

    That's what I was thinking. I wish he streamed the recent 5-0s (and other results too). I would love to see great Company players in action!
    Posted in: Combo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »
    I think those things are all just spiked due to interest. They should (I would think??) drop, but looking quick, your getting a deal there.

    EDIT: Arclights are still cheap, and honestly thats the card that does work.

    Thanks. Yep, I gotta get those too. I found $18 right now for a play set. I kind of wondered why someone was buying that card at the GP Denver that I just got back from yesterday...
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    What do you think about these potential purchases?

    4 Runaway Steam-Kin - $20
    4 Risk Factor - $37
    4 Experimental Frenzy - $12

    I don't usually play Red, but in case something is "busted" or just really good to play, including Standard because I can PPTQ with the deck. How do these prices sound? To me, it sounds sort of high for Rares, but maybe that's just the cost to play right now.

    *I should say that for what it's worth, I had the RB Aggro and Mono Red Wizards deck from the past Standard rotation. (I know; too many Standard based questions...)
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Legacy v Modern
    Quote from The Fluff »
    What prompts a modern player to eventually trade their modern staples for legacy staples?


    The reverse applied to me. Sold all of my revised duals, and then migrated to Modern -- because in Modern I have more people to play with.

    It's a much more popular format and it helps that the buy in prices are much cheaper.

    I will say that my 2 favorite formats ARE Modern and Legacy. I've gone back and forth on which format I like better, but right now, I'm a bit more of a Legacy fan.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Collected Company Elves
    Quote from Amok22 »
    went 3-1 yesterday in a small tournament with my Golgari Band. Beaten Dredgevine 2:0, Burn 2:0 and some strange Umbral Mantle combo deck 2:1. Lost to UW control 0:2.

    Any ideas how to improve UW control matchup? They stall us with PTE and Snapcaster blocks, then Verdict or Terminus our board, drop Jace and Collonade ugh it is so painfully boring to play against.

    My experience here is limited, but I did some play testing vs. UW and here's what my preliminary results are. It was surprisingly around 60/40 in GB Elves' favor. I think you have to hope to explode on them; don't hold back unless there's a compelling reason to. You hope to dodge Terminus. If they Miracle Terminus, you most likely lose (except nut hands that refill easily). If they don't play Terminus, you probably win, depending on how many Path to Exile line up with your Lords or Ezuri.

    Just my 2 cents. (play around the singleton Settle the Wreckage only if you can)
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Where do you guys think the Ravnica Mythic Box Full Art Planeswalkers will settle at?

    I'm looking at Teferi, Hero of Dominaria
    Liliana the Last Hope
    possibly Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas

    Do you think they'll go up or down?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on UW Control
    Jeez, I wish I knew what day that was. But I guess that ship has passed for me. I actually looked at the PWers today and wouldn't mind the Teferi and Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on UW Control
    Quote from cfusionpm »

    In other news, got my tracking confirmation for Guilds of Ravnica Mythic Edition boxes, so I'll be replacing my two regular Teferi, Hero of Dominaria with some full art alt art foils, just in time for FNM!

    Jealous.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on [Primer] G/W Auras (Bogle)
    I pray the day that Jund upticks. I have been waiting to go back to Titanshift myself and it hasn't been in a good place in a while now. Frown
    Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
  • posted a message on Is zoo still viable in todays modern?
    These people tend to think it's viable...
    https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/established-modern/aggro-tempo/565682-zoo-video-primer?page=453

    And I actually somewhat agree with them. If you dedicate yourself to a deck, building, tweaking, and putting your blood, sweat, and tears into it, I think nearly anything's possible. One of the players from that thread is local to me and crushes me with the deck, much to my dismay.
    Posted in: Modern
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