So it's ok to ban a card cuz you don't like it cuz that's essentially what you are saying when a card is too over powered too silly etc. Let's just ban it. So it's ok to ban someones cards just cuz you don't like them? That doesn't seem right. It seems no more right to shoot a black guy just cuz you don't like it, yet some people accept it anyways as ok.
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
After playing infinity decks, turn 1 win decks etc, magic has taught me personally that if I can't stand the heat to stay out of the kitchen. Play whatever you want against me. Who cares how broken it is. Beat me 1000 times in a row and I'm gonna have that much better of an education about that type of deck.
If people don't want to have fun, then let's use reverse logic and I'm going to really **** with you while we play, farewell to arms. Do you whinny like an
ass and cry not legal, or do you accept the challenge and play?. I'm sorry if your gonna whine about it like a 5 year old I probably don't want to play with you anyways. Asked my wife about all this and some other people I know, about 12 out of 20 agreed. I know it's all opinion but nobody wants to play out with a whiny player. I encourage you to beat me on turn 1.
The problem is that grounding them, and making them sit with boxes in gravel, while they can suck, for me that was always a free pass. No real damage was done to me. Spaking me hurt yea, but it was a free pass. Take something that they worked for hard, like maybe an Xbox or a guitar, and go sell it. That will 1. Piss them off. And 2. It's not a free pass. Cuz they lost something expensive they had to work for. Or make them do public volunteer work like litter pickup, which can be humiliating for some. It's rough punishments, but the apathetic attitude about the whole ordeal means a free pass punishment probably won't change anything. Your gonna have to hit the nail on the head or the attitude will probably continue into a rebellious attitude in the future.
I have a friend who always got the free pass growing up, and now he's 24 with a kid he can't take care of, the mother left him, he's had 2 jobs his whole life for 3 weeks each time, still lives in his mom's basement , and pays no bills. He gets by on handouts and mentally can't wrap it around his head how much of a waste in society he is.
Not saying your kid is going to be that, but apathy is just the start to ignorance, m which leads to anger, which leads to hate, which leads to the dark side.
I've been running unhinged for awhile now in some of my decks. And the first people is people are like is that legal?
I reply with yes in casual. Which we are playing. Most of the effects aren't downright beatdown, just they add a flare of silly. What gets me is why do they get so angry? ***** go buy some yourself.
When I lived with a friend of mine back in the day, once upon a time he decided to randomly go live with some chick 450 miles away for a month. I was homeless more or less at the time, and had been living in his parents basement with him for a few months. The only thing I had was a backpack with some clothes and personal belongings, and all my cards and dj equipment from the good time in my life a few years before that. Anyways I had around 13000$ worth of music production and dj equipment, sitting in the room i lived in. I also had around 2500$ worth of Yu-gi-oh! cards and maybe 1000$ worth of magic cards.
I ended up leaving a few weeks later to get back out on the road for hitchhiking to some more jobs.
His mother was up until that time a good friend, but had fallen on hard times, although I dont think near as bad as I was (She had a house and I couldnt afford to live there for long because of other issues). Anyways she told me shed keep watch over my stuff, but when I returned a couple months later, not only did she tell me to **** off and locked the door, my friend had came back about a week after that and told me all my ***** was gone. I swore up and down it was him, until his sister admitted to me that their mother had stolen all my ***** and sold it for like 7000$.
The fact that she could have sold it for at least 10k, pissed me the hell off, but also the fact that I had spent half my life aquiring my most prized possesions and never intended to sell them, even with me being in a rough spot. To this day Ive tried to sue her, but I cant prove anything, since as far as the law sees it, it was abandoned property.
That was a good 6 years ago, but it had taught me to NEVER leave anything valuable anywhere I know it isnt 110% safe.
Essentially copies a instant or sorcery onto a creature? For instance like copying lightning bolt to a creature, tap creature do 3 damage. Etc.
Or anything remotely close to this. Any ideas? I figure probably not but hey I know there's a lot of Wierd ways to do stuff it mtg even though it might be too ridiculous
I give up. Crazy. Context here being the so many disagreement etc. U notice it too. So u notice the reason for crazy. Do we need to get into a word war again? I can't just say something even simple without someone having to get all technical and *****? Dude **** this forum. No one here sees just how ****ed up this place is. Half are trolls. Half are pompous ********s. With a sprinkling of nice people. Burn in hell
A word war again? I didn't realize we had ever been in one before. Calling names and telling me (or anyone else) to burn in hell is not doing yourself any favors.
As for the rest of what you said, I'm sorry, but I can't really follow it.
Although i seem to be the labeled crazy guy here, theres a handful of other people on this thread that seem to agree with me more or less, many of them with a 100 posts or less. . . .
You've consistently tried to paint yourself as a victim in repeated threads you've either started or participated in since you joined this forum, solely when people disagree with you. No one is labeling you as "the crazy guy." They're just disagreeing with some (many) of your premises, often with very good reasons. As you've said, others have agreed with you. That's how discussions work. If you think it's anything more than that, then that's on you.
I give up. Crazy. Context here being the so many disagreement etc. U notice it too. So u notice the reason for crazy. Do we need to get into a word war again? I can't just say something even simple without someone having to get all technical and *****? Dude **** this forum. No one here sees just how ****ed up this place is. Half are trolls. Half are pompous ********s. With a sprinkling of nice people. Burn in hell
Although i seem to be the labeled crazy guy here, theres a handful of other people on this thread that seem to agree with me more or less, many of them with a 100 posts or less. Now Ive touched on that before, that theres a consistent trend on this forum with regards to low post count users. They seem to be outright ignored. People skip right over their agreements and continue to attack me. Thats fine. do it all you want, but if you look at the big picture with this thread, theres 75% thinking im crazy and 25% agreeing with me, versus, if you dont look at the big picture, its easy to see 99% thinking im crazy vs the 1% that is me, easily dismissing my concerns. But if we blow this up into a bigger picture, and say we have this discussion on another 4 threads, there will undoubtedly be more agreements. Now lets be fair to all the nay sayers by saying each new thread will have a majority of people who disagree with my viewpoint.
thread 1: 75% against 25% (out of 100 people) each
thread 2: 75% against 25%
thread 3: 75% against 25%
thread 4: 75% against 25%
thread 5: 75% against 25%
that would leave us with 500 people total.
125 peope would agree with me more or less.
375 would disagree.
but 125 people, 125 individuals, both veteran and new, would side with me to some extent.
*Rant below related to topic*
(This doesnt need rocket science, or technicalities, though Im definitely thinking about going out and recording a 125 responses from out of 500 people to prove my point since i have no nice words left to say at this point to some of the i-have-nothing-nice-to-say-at-this-point on this forum.
You can throw a topic on here, disagree with it, and wether you provide legitimate evidence, syntax, context, historical trends, etc, people have to argue. It doesnt matter that Im telling people are wrong, cuz Im not attacking anyone. I making a point to make it a point that there a fair amount of people in this world that play MTG that think mythics are getting weaker.
Sure not everyone you are going to hear from. But they are out there. Its logical, common sense. Not everyone thinks the exact same way. We all have opinions that differ from each other. Not everyone agrees with me. But you cant stop and assert that the majority is right, just because they are the majority.
If everyone wanted to jump in front of a car, would you? Exactly.
I cant decide anymore if half the users here are trolls, imbeciles, individuals, or geniuses.
anyways I will continue below)
*Rant ends*
in the above hypothesis, 125 people out of 500 people who disagree is still a fairly large number.
Lets get even more hypothetical now, merely to pro ve my point that this should be a concern of Wotc, on how to design future mythics.
Hypothesis 1: Let say 125 out of 500 MTG players, quit supporting Wotc to an extent, and swore off buying any boosters from a new expansion.
A booster costing 4$ (3.99 Walmart retail average)
500 x 4$ =2000$.
So only 375 people buy boosters, and in this equation we are doing a booster per person.
this would equal 1500$, or a 500$ loss in sales. Doesnt seem like a big deal. Lets say instead now a Box of boosters was purchased, hell lets make it 5 boxes, because these are all very wealthy players.
Hypothesis 2: A box retails for roughly 120$ give or take.
5 boxes x 125$ = 625$ sale.
so at 625$ a person, we have 500 total, so if we achieved 100% sales we would reach
312,500$ in sales.
with only 375 people buying 5 boxes, that would be only 234, 375$, meaning we lost
312,500 - 234, 375 = 78, 125$. Now its a bit more noticeable.
What if the trend continued, and globally, sales started to decline because we ignored feedback for the majority?
It would be an alarming trend for sales plummeting.
Realistically, that could take years, while realistically, new players are always joining, so it might even it out. Realistically though, both new and veteran players get burned out on MTG at least 1 point usually in their lives, for a multitude of reasons. If we say that at least a 5th of magic players get burned out at some point in their lives on MTG globally, and a 3rd of those quit all together, or quit buying product of a certain type due to various reasons, we see the same trend. The reasons for loss of sales would vary, but the point is there would still be a noticeable loss of sales, and since this would be globally, this could be in the millions, over a decade it could be more.
Now im sure Im not the only person who has ever thought of this, wether its me or financial advisers for wotc, or some kid down the street. And Im sure this is already happening, as it has been happening for probably at least a decade already.
What im trying to say in the end, is wether mythics are getting weaker or not, wether the minority is right or the majority is right, wether we all are idiots and are too blind to see it or not...... shouldnt wotc aim to satisfy the majority and the minority, or is it just all about the money and damn the nay sayers, damn the critical thinkers?
I'm fully aware some of these cards are what they are to balance the game...but for all sakes and purposes in the rarity ranking let alone the English definition of mythic.... the Mythic rares should at the very least try to embody that. But I know I'm asking too much now
Stop using the standard English definition of the term. That's not how Wizards has used it, and what you're wanting is never what they've intended mythic rarity to encompass. It's not that you're asking too much, but that you're asking for something entirely different from what they've defined as the purpose of mythic rarity. The vast majority of mythics (and all cards really), have always been unplayable outside of limited. That's just the nature of the game design and the necessity to balance limited play and constructed simultaneously while now also taking EDH into consideration.
While I agree with you isn't the essence of language to communicate an idea? So how is using a word that means a variety of legendary type ideas for something other than what the word is being used for an ok thing? How bout we replace the word creatures with animals? Even though they mean the same thing in some context they irrefutably mean different things. Or we can replace the word rules with the word guides. Same situation. So when I see the word mythic, regardless of how wotc sees mythics, wotc is recognizing the words meaning to an extent at the very least but how they are portraying mythics are anything but mythic. For all technicalities mythics are not truly mythic and you can only overlook their use for mythic if we overlook the purpose of communication. Just sayin
Problem i see with mythics and its been said before is that they are designed to be flashy like pws, a dragon or a demon or an angel or something weird like lich's mirror not so much to finish games. i think around zendikar and scars the mythics became more uber powerful and seemed more necessary like Jace, lotus cobra, mox opal, the sword cycle, and less flashy and lately they're being more of the flashy kind, some will be playable this set to me and also khans and most of theros the mythics are going to be amazing in EDH little impact on standard and some will find their place in eternal formats.
So in short mythics get the appeal of being an amazing card everyone will play but really they are mythic for the lmited format so that everyone doesnt have a brutal hordemaster which is going to be most powerful in limited and is just as powerful as hellrider which was a rare in a better color and it could kill pws unlike hordemaster
Problem i see with mythics and its been said before is that they are designed to be flashy like pws, a dragon or a demon or an angel or something weird like lich's mirror not so much to finish games. i think around zendikar and scars the mythics became more uber powerful and seemed more necessary like Jace, lotus cobra, mox opal, the sword cycle, and less flashy and lately they're being more of the flashy kind, some will be playable this set to me and also khans and most of theros the mythics are going to be amazing in EDH little impact on standard and some will find their place in eternal formats.
So in short mythics get the appeal of being an amazing card everyone will play but really they are mythic for the lmited format so that everyone doesnt have a brutal hordemaster which is going to be most powerful in limited and is just as powerful as hellrider which was a rare in a better color and it could kill pws unlike hordemaster
So I agree then. I see that mythics in MTG are unlike rares in other TCGs then. But still doesnt that look badat some point from a consumer perspective versus the will of the designers?
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What I'm saying is I'm coming to the table with this deck of mine. And for the record MY playgroup doesn't care. It's people outside that group that get pissy. Anyways here I am all loves and giggles. You play whatever you want sound good? Yea? K I play whatever I want sound good? No? Well wait a minute you get to play infinity but I can't play unhinged? Who made you god? Now your getting pissy because I think k that's ****ed up? How is that not ****ed up? You threw the first punch dammit. You are the ones that talk about not fair not fair but you are the ones screaming ban. I seriously am just gonna take a step back now so I can shake my head at the logic of the naysayers.
If people don't want to have fun, then let's use reverse logic and I'm going to really **** with you while we play, farewell to arms. Do you whinny like an
ass and cry not legal, or do you accept the challenge and play?. I'm sorry if your gonna whine about it like a 5 year old I probably don't want to play with you anyways. Asked my wife about all this and some other people I know, about 12 out of 20 agreed. I know it's all opinion but nobody wants to play out with a whiny player. I encourage you to beat me on turn 1.
I have a friend who always got the free pass growing up, and now he's 24 with a kid he can't take care of, the mother left him, he's had 2 jobs his whole life for 3 weeks each time, still lives in his mom's basement , and pays no bills. He gets by on handouts and mentally can't wrap it around his head how much of a waste in society he is.
Not saying your kid is going to be that, but apathy is just the start to ignorance, m which leads to anger, which leads to hate, which leads to the dark side.
I reply with yes in casual. Which we are playing. Most of the effects aren't downright beatdown, just they add a flare of silly. What gets me is why do they get so angry? ***** go buy some yourself.
It's casual Comon dudes....it's all good fun
I ended up leaving a few weeks later to get back out on the road for hitchhiking to some more jobs.
His mother was up until that time a good friend, but had fallen on hard times, although I dont think near as bad as I was (She had a house and I couldnt afford to live there for long because of other issues). Anyways she told me shed keep watch over my stuff, but when I returned a couple months later, not only did she tell me to **** off and locked the door, my friend had came back about a week after that and told me all my ***** was gone. I swore up and down it was him, until his sister admitted to me that their mother had stolen all my ***** and sold it for like 7000$.
The fact that she could have sold it for at least 10k, pissed me the hell off, but also the fact that I had spent half my life aquiring my most prized possesions and never intended to sell them, even with me being in a rough spot. To this day Ive tried to sue her, but I cant prove anything, since as far as the law sees it, it was abandoned property.
That was a good 6 years ago, but it had taught me to NEVER leave anything valuable anywhere I know it isnt 110% safe.
Or anything remotely close to this. Any ideas? I figure probably not but hey I know there's a lot of Wierd ways to do stuff it mtg even though it might be too ridiculous
go suck a ****
I give up. Crazy. Context here being the so many disagreement etc. U notice it too. So u notice the reason for crazy. Do we need to get into a word war again? I can't just say something even simple without someone having to get all technical and *****? Dude **** this forum. No one here sees just how ****ed up this place is. Half are trolls. Half are pompous ********s. With a sprinkling of nice people. Burn in hell
thread 1: 75% against 25% (out of 100 people) each
thread 2: 75% against 25%
thread 3: 75% against 25%
thread 4: 75% against 25%
thread 5: 75% against 25%
that would leave us with 500 people total.
125 peope would agree with me more or less.
375 would disagree.
but 125 people, 125 individuals, both veteran and new, would side with me to some extent.
*Rant below related to topic*
(This doesnt need rocket science, or technicalities, though Im definitely thinking about going out and recording a 125 responses from out of 500 people to prove my point since i have no nice words left to say at this point to some of the i-have-nothing-nice-to-say-at-this-point on this forum.
You can throw a topic on here, disagree with it, and wether you provide legitimate evidence, syntax, context, historical trends, etc, people have to argue. It doesnt matter that Im telling people are wrong, cuz Im not attacking anyone. I making a point to make it a point that there a fair amount of people in this world that play MTG that think mythics are getting weaker.
Sure not everyone you are going to hear from. But they are out there. Its logical, common sense. Not everyone thinks the exact same way. We all have opinions that differ from each other. Not everyone agrees with me. But you cant stop and assert that the majority is right, just because they are the majority.
If everyone wanted to jump in front of a car, would you? Exactly.
I cant decide anymore if half the users here are trolls, imbeciles, individuals, or geniuses.
anyways I will continue below)
*Rant ends*
in the above hypothesis, 125 people out of 500 people who disagree is still a fairly large number.
Lets get even more hypothetical now, merely to pro ve my point that this should be a concern of Wotc, on how to design future mythics.
Hypothesis 1: Let say 125 out of 500 MTG players, quit supporting Wotc to an extent, and swore off buying any boosters from a new expansion.
A booster costing 4$ (3.99 Walmart retail average)
500 x 4$ =2000$.
So only 375 people buy boosters, and in this equation we are doing a booster per person.
this would equal 1500$, or a 500$ loss in sales. Doesnt seem like a big deal. Lets say instead now a Box of boosters was purchased, hell lets make it 5 boxes, because these are all very wealthy players.
Hypothesis 2: A box retails for roughly 120$ give or take.
5 boxes x 125$ = 625$ sale.
so at 625$ a person, we have 500 total, so if we achieved 100% sales we would reach
312,500$ in sales.
with only 375 people buying 5 boxes, that would be only 234, 375$, meaning we lost
312,500 - 234, 375 = 78, 125$. Now its a bit more noticeable.
What if the trend continued, and globally, sales started to decline because we ignored feedback for the majority?
It would be an alarming trend for sales plummeting.
Realistically, that could take years, while realistically, new players are always joining, so it might even it out. Realistically though, both new and veteran players get burned out on MTG at least 1 point usually in their lives, for a multitude of reasons. If we say that at least a 5th of magic players get burned out at some point in their lives on MTG globally, and a 3rd of those quit all together, or quit buying product of a certain type due to various reasons, we see the same trend. The reasons for loss of sales would vary, but the point is there would still be a noticeable loss of sales, and since this would be globally, this could be in the millions, over a decade it could be more.
Now im sure Im not the only person who has ever thought of this, wether its me or financial advisers for wotc, or some kid down the street. And Im sure this is already happening, as it has been happening for probably at least a decade already.
What im trying to say in the end, is wether mythics are getting weaker or not, wether the minority is right or the majority is right, wether we all are idiots and are too blind to see it or not...... shouldnt wotc aim to satisfy the majority and the minority, or is it just all about the money and damn the nay sayers, damn the critical thinkers?
While I agree with you isn't the essence of language to communicate an idea? So how is using a word that means a variety of legendary type ideas for something other than what the word is being used for an ok thing? How bout we replace the word creatures with animals? Even though they mean the same thing in some context they irrefutably mean different things. Or we can replace the word rules with the word guides. Same situation. So when I see the word mythic, regardless of how wotc sees mythics, wotc is recognizing the words meaning to an extent at the very least but how they are portraying mythics are anything but mythic. For all technicalities mythics are not truly mythic and you can only overlook their use for mythic if we overlook the purpose of communication. Just sayin
So I agree then. I see that mythics in MTG are unlike rares in other TCGs then. But still doesnt that look badat some point from a consumer perspective versus the will of the designers?