Yeah, Aura Thief looks like it works. Doubling Season gets us a layer for token copies of Black Lotus, and is helpful in getting [c}Dack Fayden[/c] to his ultimate.
So, let's see... Switching from Jester's Mask to Ordeal of Nylea loses us a layer from not using Kurkesh (no way to get a Harmonic Prodigy layer from this it looks like), and a layer from Moraug untapping many times, which does nothing if we need to attack. Also, we lose a layer from having to drop World at War. So down to 8 layers?
The Tamiyo's Journal deck loses a layer from when I last counted, due to not having Arcane Adaptation to give Tamiyo's Journal a creature type. But still 9 layers, so that version looks like the leader at the moment.
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Jun 7, 2021 Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021Whirlpool Drake doesn't seem like it draws to many cards, as it draws as many as we shuffle in, so the net effect is zero. But, we can kill it during a computation, so we can trigger the shuffling cheaply. Same with Ancestral Knowledge.Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021Oh, nuts.Posted in: Magic General
It's gonna be hard to make Widespread Panic work for the opponent then - hard to give a spell or ability to the opponent. Sphinx Ambassador doesn't work either.
I guess we go back to Tamiyo's Journal then.
Jun 7, 2021Hmm, how does Hallowed Ground fit in?Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021Updated deck list:Posted in: Magic General
I guess we'll keep looking for how to get that 11th layer back; either find a replacement for Show and Tell, or find a way to get lots of land taps from a green mana that is compatible with Show and Tell.
Jun 7, 2021 Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021I think Floating-Dream Zubera would be the one we want, but we may not be able to get started with just 3 cards. Between Words of Wisdom and Sphinx of Enlightenment, I think the Sphinx probably winds up ahead, but it would be worth investigating.Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021Nice, looks like we can get back to 11 layers then.Posted in: Magic General
Hmmm, with Tibalt's Trickery, can we drop Cephalid Shrine as well?
It looks like Tibalt's Trickery is enough to handle everything we need to counter, except for possibly Aegis Automaton. Aegis Automaton is tricky, I'll have to think about it.
Jun 7, 2021Hmmm... looks like we need something likePosted in: Magic General
leaving us with two cards left, not enough for using Lore Broker probably. Still, we can give up Lore Broker and drop down to 10 layers, which seems like our best option at the moment.
Edit: Oh wait, we don't need Omniscience in our hand. Is 3 cards enough for Lore Broker?
Jun 7, 2021Hmm, we've realized that we don't need to update Busy Beaver, or update to Busy Beaver, all that frequently... we do need a hyperstage below it, but that can happen with any fixed number of layers, or even any fixed number of stages, above it. So I think so? We can afford to Retract between Busy Beavers, and we only need a fixed amount of mana for things like Urborg Syhpon-Mage and Soul Separator, so it should be okay.Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021Oh, oof! Well, at the worst we can give up the land part of the layers, and drop to 9 layers I think. But, hopefully we can find a fix? I didn't see a card that could put a permanent into the library, but I might have missed something.Posted in: Magic General
Of course Show and Tell can be replaced by Eureka, but that doesn't solve the problem. Another card we used before was Genesis Wave, but for that to work we needed Channel, which means we needed two additional green mana at the start. But, we need to keep green mana restricted if the goal is to try and keep that land part.
Jun 7, 2021Ah, yeah it makes sense that it refers to permanents.Posted in: Magic General
Jfb pointed out that Arcane Adapation can give toughness to Goblin Boom Kegs, which can then be removed to kill them at the wrong time.
Jun 7, 2021Looks like that works, nice!Posted in: Magic General
In terms of more improvements, the biggest inefficiency in the ending layers is the Serra's Sanctum / Animist's Awakening part, which gets us 2 layers for 4 cards. Of course, if we remove it we would need to find 3 other layers somehow to improve. We do have copying of triggered abilities and artifact activations, so that may open up new possibilities.
I thought for a second that Thrumming Stone might be back in play thanks to Harmonic Prodigy and Arcane Adaptation, but with AA out I guess Thrumming Stone is out again.
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