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  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from FlyingDelver »
    The best thing you can do is fulminator a valakut and extract it. However a good valakut player plays around that easily. So this is pretty unlikely.
    Of course, Valakut is tough, but after playing in a tournament, several times, playing against Valakut, Storm and Lantern Control. My whole sideboard became a hate combo big mana deck. With Whispers of Emrakul, Bow of Nylea and Surgical extraction. Don't lose to those decks at all.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from Ayiluss »
    Quote from Arkmer »
    How is everyone fighting combo? I played some junk this past week and was feeling pretty good in most matches in testing, then only paired with combo. Storm, Valakut, Storm... Any advice? I did resolve a Runed Halo against storm in one game, but he just deck sifted while going off into his one of Echoing Truth.

    As FlyingDelver said combo is a good matchup for us. We have good disruption and fast clock which is the best combination to fight combo decks. Ideally you have turn 1 discard into turn 2 Tarmogoyf and then turn 3 LoTV.

    The same plan is for Valakut but this matchup is very bad for us they have better top decks than us and it's very hard to interact with their deck.


    Valakut....argh. well for a budget option Lost Legacy is a good option to hit the titan or scapeshift. I'm playing Abzan Traverse and I play Surgical Extraction and Whisper of Emrakul due to the efficiency of getting delirium by turn 3 or even shortly after a graveyard wipe. Combo decks shouldn't be an issue for GBx
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on BW Ascension with Vampire Tokens
    The best vampire in the format is Adanto, play 4. You need 4 tribal land. I would start with three legion landing, 3 baffling end, three radient destiny, three ixalans binding, 3 twillight, 4 adanto and go from there. I am not sure what the last should be and thus have not built this deck.
    Squire's Devotion seems bonkers on Adanto Vanguard. You get to gain the life back from his ability and any pump spell i.e. Radiant Destiny ot Legion Lieutenant makes it even better.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from Shaggy »
    Why in Abzan Shadow and not plain Abzan? Utter End is 4 mana option that doesn’t cost any life.
    Well 4 mana os a bit high, but Abzan shadow as it gets Shadow Bigger. Although Hero's Downfall is great with Thoughtseize AND surgical extraction for fighting JtMS and BBE along with all other combo decks then yeah. But Maelstrom Pulse is great still and Thrun....
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock
    Quote from Shaggy »
    Is Anguished Unmaking worth trying out since it’s an instant speed way to deal with JtMS?


    I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. But I would look into playing that in an Abzan Death's Shadow list maybe.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Abzan / The Rock


    I have been playing the Abzan Traverse version of G/Bx for quite some time. I see that KoR is a good card but mot entirely sure it has a place here though, but it does have my attention.

    I have been playing 1 Glissa, the Traitor and 1 Anafenza, the Foremost with Traverse shell is funny. Glissa has have me play Bauble at least 5 to 7 times a game while Anafenza pumps my Rogue Fairy and Spirit tokens. And what does a JtMS deck do against Eldritch Moon Emmy?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on BW Vampires in standard, Please help me make this work!
    I have been looking at a lot of lists and trying different stuff. I think the big decisions are going either play Mono Black splash white or Mono White Splash black. I love Gifted Aetherborn but after playing Squire's Devotion on Adanto's Vanguard the combo is of juggernaut proportions. The Mono Black list I did is great versus control and midrange decks because it plays Push and contempt with Arterial Flow mainboard. Although, Twilight Prophet is a card I want to consistently win with. Still looking for ideas
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on BW Vampires in standard, Please help me make this work!
    Quote from headminerve »
    I think it's time to merge topics and choose one, so I'll post here from now on.

    I'm working on an aggro shell after a long time scratching my head on a midrange one. There's a package of cards that work no matter what shell we play, then the remaining slots ar a bit more complicated to evaluate.
    Here's my current list :





    Adanto Vanguard is praised as the best vampire by some pros, while Paladin of Atonement is completely overlooked. My tests ring a different bell. I've been deeply disappointed by Vanguard, probably because Standard isn't what it was before RIX. Paying 4 is too much to save a creature that don't attack that well anymore. Between gods, Phoenix, eternalize, I don't like him in a go-wide list. He's probably still good in a UW Sram shell.
    I have the same feeling with Yahenni, Undying Partisan. In this shell, I don't want to sacrifice my creatures before they dealt damage, and he doesn't even attack that well anymore. Mavren Fein, Dusk Apostle, on the other hand, is the best 3-drop I want in every game, very strong with lords and anthems.
    Notable vamps that don't make the cut ae Oathsworn Vampire and Famished Paladin. There's no way to gain life every turn, period. Dusk Legion Zealot is interesting but not very aggro.
    Aethersphere Harvester is easy to crew, but most importantly, it blanks Rekindling Phoenix and Glorybringer, which are too strong against vamps. Removal spells don't do enough cause they play many more copies. It also gives me more reach, cause the creature decks are impossible to break through on the ground.

    In the SB, I don't have feedback to give yet, there may be some poor choices for now.


    I understand what you are saying about Adanto, but after looking at the U/W Auras deck it seems super strong as it is hard to kill. So, I plan on testing Squire's Devotion to give him life link and a vampire token, Adanto can gain 5 life on each attack! Now, I know the idea might not seem popular, seeing that my deck isn't an aggro deck, just a Twilight Prophet deck. Stall out and blank my opponents attack and win with advantage from the Twilight.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on B/W vampires
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Yeah, the only thing I've hated about vampires is how much they nerfed them. I've seen a lot of 1/1's at 4 cmc in the past, from Liliana's Shade to Wing Splicer, but a mythic creature that is a 1/1 and has no immediate impact on the field and basically no way to really protect itself? Elenda, the dusk rose is probably the worst 1/1 for 4 I've seen just on the basis of her being a mythic of all things. Lumberknot was an uncommon that I'd probably pick over Elendra just due to the hexproof.


    Elenda doesn't need to be protected. Having Radiant Destiny Legion Lieutenant with either Vanquisher's Banner or The Immortal Sun on the field means that they kill her you get a big board. Although Supernatural Stamina seems great with Elenda. Things to consider, Arguel's Bloodfast is great with the life linkers as steady card advantage.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on B/W vampires
    Is it possible to play thia deck as a midrange deck? I mean, Both W and B has the best removal. Lower the creature count to 16-20 (Preferably all Life Linkers with Vona being the top of the curve) add Live Fast and Arguel's Bloodfast as card draw (live fast for energy for Aether Hub to smooth out the mana) and Radiant Destiny with a bunch of removal. Idk spitballing some other ideas. Aggro seems lack luster, I think there is more to this deck. Play cards that pay life and a bunch of lifelinkers seems like on theme ways to win.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on B/W vampires
    I have been doing some brewing with these new cards from Rivals of Ixalan and let me tell you. Radiant Destiny and Twilight Prophet are legit cards. And the best way to get to Ascend is by casting Call to the Feast and Legion's Landing. Below is a link to my current iteration of B/W vampires.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/visual/881811
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Standard)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Abzan Midrange / Junk / BGw Souls/ BG Rock
    Quote from SmauG »
    I've also posted this question in the modern prices topic, though here it's more about gameplay and meta viability.

    I play a quite strong midrange deck in standard and like the way decision making infuences the way the game works out for you. I have played against Abzan and absolutely love the deck, but I've always considered it to expensive!
    Nowdays, I own the full abzan manabase including manlands, all supporting spells and most sideboard staples. I also own a Tarmogoyf which I pulled once and love to play with it.
    Now I have the option to buy the rest (the usual suspects incl. Grim Flayer delirium, no Bob) for €400,- to €450,- which is about $500,- usd.

    My local meta consists of the following decks (including my own*):
    Esper Control
    Dredge
    Tooth&Nail
    Mardu Midrange
    Jeskai Tempo
    BW Eldrazi
    Bant Eldrazi
    GB-Tron
    E-tron
    Elves
    Humans*
    Bushwhacker Aggro*
    Bant Knightfall*

    On FNM level, most notably add:
    Grixis DS
    Grixis Control
    Affinity
    UR Storm

    The question here is: Is Abzan still a viable midrange strategy in this meta? Also, would the financial investment be stable enough for the years to come?
    I know it might be heavily biassed but hope to gain some straight answers Smile


    If midrange is your calling, then invest. I am currently playing the Abzan Traverse version of the deck and have put up just short of winning it all results. The deck is very interchangeable and according to your local meta, you can do damage.
    Posted in: Modern Archives - Proven
  • posted a message on G/B Nest of Scarabs (-1/-1 Counters)
    Quote from udwdreams »
    I'm working on a version with red to add The Scorpion God.

    Dominiah: Relentless Dead / Plague Belcher is a Zombies theme. I'm not sure you have room for that in this deck. Besides, 2 black on T2 is not going to happen often.
    Defiant Greatmaw looks like a draft card, I'm not a huge fan. Eternal Ammit is probably much better.

    Nest of Scarabs is something to get away from I think. It has zero board impact when you play it, and for standard this is not acceptable.
    Rather, rely on Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons and Obelisk Spider to act as your -1/-1 triggers, and leave Nest of Scarabs as a SB option against control decks.


    I get what you are saying about Nest of Scarabs but after looking at the UW Oketra's Monument deck and think, aren't we doing the same thing? Except our enchantment isn't legendary and gets bomby late game with a simple Channeler Initiate with multiple on the board. Soul-Scar Mage is something if you are going Jund to stay away from. Burn spells are terrible against control and minimal without him on the board. I literally only splashed the red for The Scorpion Godbut looking to fix the mana base, but primarily G/B. The deck can be played a lot like G/B energy if we added Traverse. We would play less lands.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on G/B Nest of Scarabs (-1/-1 Counters)
    Quote from hoser2 »
    Per this article (what I use, just skip ahead to the tables), you would want 12 R sources to cast Hazoret's favor on turn 3. If I count each Channeler Initiate as half an R source, I count 7 R sources, so I would add more. I really like Attune with Aether and Aether Hub for adding color sources to a 3 color deck.

    As for the value of Hazoret's Favor, I am skeptical, but eager to be proven wrong. Turning a steady stream of tokens into 3 power, maybe with deathtouch, would be hard for an opponent to handle. I am less sanguine about your token engine. Against your toughest opponents, if you can't produce tokens, they will be dead cards. Saccing the tokens is a significant cost. I much prefer the unequivocal card advantage of Driven//Despair. If you believe in it, go ahead and try, but my advice would be to cut them down to 1-2 at most until you are sure that they are helpful.


    Glory!!! Keep it 2 Color. Ammit Eternal and Hapatra Vizier of Poisons just screams use of Hapatra's Mark and Key to the City and Driven to Despair is a great advantage to use on your opponent. I love The Scorpion God but I cannot find a consistent mana base outside of Attune with Aether Hub or Traverse. But hey, A low to the ground deck like G/B Snek.dek this deck can compete.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on G/B Nest of Scarabs (-1/-1 Counters)
    Quote from AnImAr_ »
    Grind // Dust seems cool. Just got to play four Channeler Initiate. Like I said this is just something that I cooked up in fifteen minutes after seeing there was nothing else in Hour of Devastation. I do like Key To The City, too.


    Grind to dust is cool, 2 mana put 2 -1/-1 counters on up to 2, Sounds good but it would be sideboard against Winding Constrictor decks along with Solemnity.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/689425

    Posted in: Standard Archives
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