Does Elkin Bottle allow the exiled cards timing to be changed? I'm looking to see if I flip an artifact on my opponent's turn, can I play it for it's cost?
Also, does this apply to things like Nivix, Aerie of the Firemind?
Ravnica's Boros Legion is the perfect example of the coexistence between R/W and how Fanaticism with a "Religious Martial Law" is basically the culmination of the system.
Think Haste, Vigilance, First Strike (their common ground).. just mechanically it means they can be the aggressor and then the defender.
If you look to the old way white was during The Dark, they persecuted; witch hunted; and isolated their towns with the fear of evil everywhere. There is a road that hasn't been used in the Magic universe in a while and that is a shame.
Turning ones distaste into hatred and eventually preemptive striking.. that is the transition in my mind. Interpretation of law is a classic transition for Batman like vigilantism. Or in D&D terms, Chaotic Good
but anyways, I still think Riptide Lab is a solid plan
I made mods to my deck to run 2-3x Mistbind. They aren't bad, but seeing as this IS legacy, mileage varies. I just love soft-locking with the Lab.
The truly problematic point of this deck is how it would handle say, Volcanic Fallout coming from budget players. Or if burn is a real problem, Cave-In. I know holding FoWill is the primary action, but sometimes when they start landing Ball Lighning and what not it can cause problems. But then again, just SB Chill.
Could taking a few pages from Vintage help, IE Remora with its Commandeer + Misdirections?
I just want to chime in since I casual-ized the extended NinjaStill last year
If you are playing that many manlands... you are really leaving yourself open to a bad Wasteland/Extirpate combo
Riptide Lab IS that good. Being able to pay 4 for an on-the-board Prohibit is something you won't feel bad about in Legacy
The Mothdust was in there b/c there was also Riptide Lab, Shiruken, Swarmyard, Pendelhaven and trying for a turn 2 Spellstutter
I replaced the Ornothopter with Cloud Sprite as I wanted the turn 2 Spell Stutter/Standstill to give me big tempo
In general, I feel this deck is fun if you have average decks to compete against. It is rough times against the major forces of Counter/Top.
Looter is better than Seer for a few reasons A)1U is easier with the non-basics B) constant draw
I feel the loss of the 2x Trinket Mage is a major one. He could get you that 2nd Blue (Seat), Needle for almost anything, Shuruken to handle Goblins or Swarm, Meekstone if you'd like to take care of other things, Explosives (incentive for fetches), and that is enough without changing the starting deck
I'm not going to act like an expert, but since I play there; here are a few things I felt out.
They told me it was a Vintage tournament, no proxy... that is all they said. So I show up with Progenitus Oath and happen to have my g/f's extended Mana-Dredge on me.
THEN... here is the hilarity, they say no sideboards.. I quick switch to Dredge... they never knew what hit them. I'm killing turn 4 at the latest. One guy stalled me b/c he was mono-black w/ 4 Darkness and 4 Sudden Spoilings
I play it 3 weeks, I get known as a "sick deck builder". Ppl ask me how much the deck costs, etc. There are guys with Mana Drains, real Moxen [I've seen them], and almost no FoWills.
I retire the deck after 3 weeks as I think I had a good roll and think it best to play different decks now. Interestingly enough I play the next week, Nourishing Lich btw, and I see maindeck Extirpates, Moment's Peace.. it was nice to know I was the deck feared.
The reason this place is Vintage is so ppl can play every card, the list isn't enforced well, it annoys me. A guy showed up, was misinformed about the B&R and plays Legacy Belcher. I try to calm myself as it is not worth polarizing this place b/c I want a legal playground. But it is annoying that they call it Vintage yet they aren't too worried if a guy has 4 Burning Wish.
Seriously though, the judging is painfully funny. Having to explain errata about Beginning of Upkeep triggers et al is almost like putting splinters under your fingernails.
It is cool to play what you want and do whatever, but you should not invest money into this place [the tournament that is, the store ain't bad]. The last week is always a "wacky" format day. IE Two-Headed Giant, Pauper, Mono-Color, Free-for-All [dumb F***icking idea] is two weeks from now.
I met some cool guys I added to my playgroup so overall good times, but I hate the REL there. I want to get certified so I can flash my Judge's Card like a badge and just tell them "NO!!!!"
Also, to settle the "Sanctioned" arguments, until complaints are filed a store can do whatever it wants. It is operating as a WPN now b/c they messed up a tourney report and missed FNM statis by like 1, they missed being about to Prerelease 2010.
And if you want more nail spitting, they are only charging cost for 2010 release. Meaning prizes will be crap but it only goes, no lie, from 6-9ish pm
Is Tarmogoyf the only reason that this card is fair? Wizards should not be concerned about the impact of type 2? Remember Previous Level Blue? That used 4cc counter spells
Also, 6cc Cycling on Decree of Silence was the only time I can remember a pitch ability being ok. [FoWill is not even in this discussion]
Now I am not going to act superior in understanding of card design... but here are 3 facts that makes this card "GODLY"
1) It is not a spell!!! So it works through Standstill, see "the Lock"
2) It is a Land!!! So if so desired you could use LIfe from the Loam to literally bring back 3x Counterspells for 1G
3) the non CIPT means it has every reason for any deck running the ability to make UU make this a 4x
~Bonus~ what about Tolaria West-> Pact of Negation? That wasn't too broken b/c it tied up extra turns, could not be played easily, and ppl knew it was coming; this... none of these are factors
It's not bad, and I love the artwork, but it really feels like they slapped legendary on it so they could upgrade it to mythic. Nothing about the card is mythic. It's a mid sized fatty, nothing more.
agreed... also, red is pointless in the cost sans legendary statis. I am happy for edh, but annoyed at the mythic statis
It is funny that I will be angry if mana drain gets in (I own 4) but would enjoy seeing berserk (I own 0)
As for my predictions:
White - Land Tax
White - Balance
Blue - Tinker
Blue - Frantic Search
Green - Channel
Green - Fastbond
Red - Goblin Lackey
Red - Burning Wish
Black - Necropotence
Black - Mind Twist
Artifact - Black Vise
Artifact - Mana Vault
Artifact - Lotus Petal
Artifact - Aether Vial
Land - Strip Mine
turn-
Frantic into Desire... it explains itself
Petal into Zuran Orb/Ivory Tower... older bans dating toward Black Summer
Mine into Maze.. more legendary
Also, Red sucks... still shoulda had Wheel.
I don't see common or non-self-explain cards showing.
Gush is nothing without Fastbond
Frantic is nothing without Academy
Burning Wish would be nice, but it'll be Kird Ape or maybe Personal Tutor
Well one card i'm pretty sure that going to be in is Orcish Oriflame and it probably going to be one of the alternate art (i'm still mad at Wotc for the Dragon Whelp in FtV : Dragon).
But what hurt me more then anything is the new Balance.I mean cmon i just got a Judge promo for my EDH deck and now you release one with a even more gorgeous art?
But still looking at the list of card, the pack will totaly worth my 35$.
1) I'll trade you FTV for judge anyday
2) Balance is banned in EDH
Ritual, and other commons should not be "in".
Channel? Fastbond is a better option.
NO JAR OR WHEEL!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: That is bull****
Does Elkin Bottle allow the exiled cards timing to be changed? I'm looking to see if I flip an artifact on my opponent's turn, can I play it for it's cost?
Also, does this apply to things like Nivix, Aerie of the Firemind?
Think Haste, Vigilance, First Strike (their common ground).. just mechanically it means they can be the aggressor and then the defender.
If you look to the old way white was during The Dark, they persecuted; witch hunted; and isolated their towns with the fear of evil everywhere. There is a road that hasn't been used in the Magic universe in a while and that is a shame.
Turning ones distaste into hatred and eventually preemptive striking.. that is the transition in my mind. Interpretation of law is a classic transition for Batman like vigilantism. Or in D&D terms, Chaotic Good
but anyways, I still think Riptide Lab is a solid plan
I made mods to my deck to run 2-3x Mistbind. They aren't bad, but seeing as this IS legacy, mileage varies. I just love soft-locking with the Lab.
The truly problematic point of this deck is how it would handle say, Volcanic Fallout coming from budget players. Or if burn is a real problem, Cave-In. I know holding FoWill is the primary action, but sometimes when they start landing Ball Lighning and what not it can cause problems. But then again, just SB Chill.
Could taking a few pages from Vintage help, IE Remora with its Commandeer + Misdirections?
If you are playing that many manlands... you are really leaving yourself open to a bad Wasteland/Extirpate combo
Riptide Lab IS that good. Being able to pay 4 for an on-the-board Prohibit is something you won't feel bad about in Legacy
The Mothdust was in there b/c there was also Riptide Lab, Shiruken, Swarmyard, Pendelhaven and trying for a turn 2 Spellstutter
I replaced the Ornothopter with Cloud Sprite as I wanted the turn 2 Spell Stutter/Standstill to give me big tempo
In general, I feel this deck is fun if you have average decks to compete against. It is rough times against the major forces of Counter/Top.
Looter is better than Seer for a few reasons A)1U is easier with the non-basics B) constant draw
I feel the loss of the 2x Trinket Mage is a major one. He could get you that 2nd Blue (Seat), Needle for almost anything, Shuruken to handle Goblins or Swarm, Meekstone if you'd like to take care of other things, Explosives (incentive for fetches), and that is enough without changing the starting deck
They told me it was a Vintage tournament, no proxy... that is all they said. So I show up with Progenitus Oath and happen to have my g/f's extended Mana-Dredge on me.
THEN... here is the hilarity, they say no sideboards.. I quick switch to Dredge... they never knew what hit them. I'm killing turn 4 at the latest. One guy stalled me b/c he was mono-black w/ 4 Darkness and 4 Sudden Spoilings
I play it 3 weeks, I get known as a "sick deck builder". Ppl ask me how much the deck costs, etc. There are guys with Mana Drains, real Moxen [I've seen them], and almost no FoWills.
I retire the deck after 3 weeks as I think I had a good roll and think it best to play different decks now. Interestingly enough I play the next week, Nourishing Lich btw, and I see maindeck Extirpates, Moment's Peace.. it was nice to know I was the deck feared.
The reason this place is Vintage is so ppl can play every card, the list isn't enforced well, it annoys me. A guy showed up, was misinformed about the B&R and plays Legacy Belcher. I try to calm myself as it is not worth polarizing this place b/c I want a legal playground. But it is annoying that they call it Vintage yet they aren't too worried if a guy has 4 Burning Wish.
Seriously though, the judging is painfully funny. Having to explain errata about Beginning of Upkeep triggers et al is almost like putting splinters under your fingernails.
It is cool to play what you want and do whatever, but you should not invest money into this place [the tournament that is, the store ain't bad]. The last week is always a "wacky" format day. IE Two-Headed Giant, Pauper, Mono-Color, Free-for-All [dumb F***icking idea] is two weeks from now.
I met some cool guys I added to my playgroup so overall good times, but I hate the REL there. I want to get certified so I can flash my Judge's Card like a badge and just tell them "NO!!!!"
Also, to settle the "Sanctioned" arguments, until complaints are filed a store can do whatever it wants. It is operating as a WPN now b/c they messed up a tourney report and missed FNM statis by like 1, they missed being about to Prerelease 2010.
And if you want more nail spitting, they are only charging cost for 2010 release. Meaning prizes will be crap but it only goes, no lie, from 6-9ish pm
Bring 2 decks every week. One to have fun, and one if the prizes ever get good.
Don't worry about the sanctioned BS a few of us are better informed on rules than the judges. And you forgot the 2 mulligan to 7 rule also
The Fissure being a +3cc on Tremble in order to not hit you is about what it must feel like for Cancel to be compared to Counterspell.
But I agree with this set being full of lowered expectations.
I keep calling it Portal 4, it is slow, methodical and rather Sorcery speeded
Also, 6cc Cycling on Decree of Silence was the only time I can remember a pitch ability being ok. [FoWill is not even in this discussion]
1) It is not a spell!!! So it works through Standstill, see "the Lock"
2) It is a Land!!! So if so desired you could use LIfe from the Loam to literally bring back 3x Counterspells for 1G
3) the non CIPT means it has every reason for any deck running the ability to make UU make this a 4x
~Bonus~ what about Tolaria West-> Pact of Negation? That wasn't too broken b/c it tied up extra turns, could not be played easily, and ppl knew it was coming; this... none of these are factors
agreed... also, red is pointless in the cost sans legendary statis. I am happy for edh, but annoyed at the mythic statis
turn-
Frantic into Desire... it explains itself
Petal into Zuran Orb/Ivory Tower... older bans dating toward Black Summer
Mine into Maze.. more legendary
Also, Red sucks... still shoulda had Wheel.
I don't see common or non-self-explain cards showing.
Gush is nothing without Fastbond
Frantic is nothing without Academy
Burning Wish would be nice, but it'll be Kird Ape or maybe Personal Tutor
Since we lost wheel *SHAKES FIST*, it'll be lackey, ape, or recruiter
1) I'll trade you FTV for judge anyday
2) Balance is banned in EDH
Ritual, and other commons should not be "in".
Channel? Fastbond is a better option.
NO JAR OR WHEEL!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: That is bull****