Sudden Reclamation is a card about resurrecting creatures with a picture of a green hooded snake that seems to be alive in water outside. It has a quote from a necromancer, not an artificier or a sculptor. Altar of the Brood is a gold covered statue that shows no signs of having been a living creature and is described as a statue. Yes, the statue is also hooded, but that does not make them the same. The statue is an artifact, not a creature, and obviously covered with gold.
Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray, the color of Ugin's Construct (although the teeth are shaped differently, possibly due to artistic license), stone and metal. The outline of the creature's head is clear and the protrusions along the spine which would be obscured by the hood (and are obviously not part of the creature in Sudden Reclamation) are visible. It seems apparent to me that the creature is not hooded. They both have a pair of torches emitting blue smoke. The torches themselves are obviously different.
Why do you think the creature in Sudden Reclamation is a statue?
I may be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation aspect. It's possible since it relates to creatures and Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten both refer to artifacts that the Reclamation has nothing to do with the two. I suppose the Snakes all look pretty much the same and the Sultai just built the Altar in its design but coated it with gold since Sultai is also about Opulence.
Firstly, You say "Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray" - why would it have a creature in its art? It should be an artifact in the art.
Secondly, Color is not an indicator of something that has been abandoned for 1,280 years (How would the Altar stay golden with no one around to maintain it?)
Third, the fangs weren't shaped differently - Ugin's Construct doesn't even have fangs. If anything is shaped differently due to artistic license, it would be the different-shaped torches.
I might be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation since there's a lack of evidence, but Fate Forgotten features something that share similar blue flames from torches/eyes, the same fangs and similar backgrounds as Altar of the Brood, none of which were present (flames/fangs/background) on Ugin's Construct. The flavor text even mentions the fall of Sultai, which the Altar was once part of, but not Ugin's Construct.
To my eyes the snakes in Sudden Reclamation and Altar of the Brood are distinctively hooded, like a cobra. The creature in Fate Forgotten is not hooded and colored differently than the creatures in Sudden Reclamation and the statue in Altar of the Brood. It resembles Ugin's Construct to my eyes, except for the fangs, as previously pointed out. It is artifact colored and has fuzzy things that could easily be the legs. The card and the coloring of the creature point to it being an artifact. It may not be Ugin's Construct, but it differs from the Altar and the suddenly reclaimed snake in their most important feature and coloring.
But the two torches emitting blue flames present in both Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten but not in Sudden Reclamation and Ugin's Construct is what sets the two apart. I think the haze in Fate Forgotten is blocking the hood of the Snake - you can see the upper right side of the Snake's Hood, but not the bottom right since it was obscured by the haze, the left side is completely blocked off from our perspective of view.
My current stand is that Sudden Reclamation was the statue found by the Sultai 1,280 years ago, which they used to build Altar of the Brood. On Tarkir 1.0, the Altar flourished and continued to exist, but on Tarkir 1.1, it was forgotten. Ugin's Construct had nothing to do with the trio.
I'm currently re-organizing my EDH decks, so I deleted my Alesha, Who Smiles at Death thread. Please remove it from the "Latest Set" and "Mardu" sections, thanks.
I waited a full update to see if it was naturally removed, but it wasn't, hence the request.
Just wondering, the program you're using to automatically update the deck lists cannot detect decklists that were removed since its last usage?
If the only thing that connects a cycle is the name of the cards, it's not a cycle at all.
Not quite correct. Mechanically it's a cycle united by the fact that each character has the associated clan mechanic, and there are only five of these mechanics to go round. Dragon's Maze didn't have that mechanical basis for its legends.
A lot of cards in DTK have the clan mechanics, it's nothing inherent to the cycle. (Also Narset doesn't "have" the clan mechanic, she only grants it, which disconnects her even more from the already more than questionable link between the cards.)
And the maze runners in Dragon's Maze were all two-coloured rare legendary creatures. That connects them, because those are shared characteristics between all the cards. The "alternate khans" dont have the same colour setup nor the same card types. Literally the only thing connecting them is the name, and cardnames alone do not make a cycle.
How would a Legendary Creature have Rebound anyway? It would have to grant it as well.
Color alone doesn't make for a cycle, strictly speaking we could put 5 Guild Leaders and 5 Guild Champions (from any of the Ravnica Blocks) together and you still get a full cycle of Legendary Two-Colored Creatures. The only reason we don't see Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius and Vorel of the Hull Clade as part of a same cycle is simply from the flavor.
With that said, I do actually think we should have gotten a Taigam card. They did create Melek, Izzet Paragon to fill in a mechanical slot for the role that Ral Zarek technically played in the story (as Guild Champion). Yes, Niv-Mizzet intended Melek to be the Champion, but his relevance in the storyline was pretty much as Taigam's.
Sarkhan grew up in a world with Morph, I won't be surprised with his fanatical devotion to dragons he learnt how to Morph into one.
It's all about specialty Magic. In the old days, most planeswalkers could mind-read like Jace if they wanted to, I'd suppose. Shapeshifting is just one a lot (of writers I suppose) found convenient and therefore was shown to be used a lot of times.
I'm furious that we don't get a new blue legend. Every other color got one. I was counting on Taigam. He's referenced in several cardnames and flavor text and would be a perfect fit for the hole Narset left when she became a planeswalker.
You did. His ass is tied around Silumgar's neck. It would make less sense - in terms of cycles - to print a guy we didn't know about from previous cards.
Silumgar's Sorcerer is soon close to being my favorite card in the set. But not being able to zap non-creatures really kills it. So so close Wizards, but I get that outclassing Mystic Snake isn't something you do lightly.
Weren't the fetches printed with the Khans logo in FR? So they might still be in DoT boosters the same way?
Doesn't matter either way though.
Doesn't make any sense, considering the Fetches featured the Skeletons of the Dragonlords.
But then again, it didn't make sense in Fate Reforged either (unless it was a vision from a possible future.)
Anyway, they would have announced that right off the start if they intended to do it. Now we have the entire set spoiled, I doubt it's happening already.
Remember the All-Foil Packs from the Alara Block? Remember Ugin's Fate Boosters. Combine the two. Distribute a pack of 4 random foils (1 Basic Lands, 2 Commons and a uncommon/rare/mythic) at the end of the tournament to each player.
1) The reason for following the Ugin's Fate distribution is to discourage stores from keeping them instead to sell (A full 15-foil pack might do that).
2) It will not become another Ugin's Fate since these are Pack Foils, not alternate art cards. (Which means you still can get the exact same things from normal boxes.)
3) Giving them only at the end of a tournament would encourage people to actually play the Prerelease instead of just buying the Prerelase Kit and leaving.
I'm furious that they didn't give blue a legend. Sure, Narset's a planeswalker and that's cool, but that new open blue slot belonged to Tasigur. They set him up with cards mentioning him and making him a villain in the storyline only to not print him? What the eff, wizards.
You meant Taigam. Tasigur, the Golden Necklace is currently a Legendary Artifact on Silumgar's neck.
I sigh every time I see Student of Ojutai, that art was what I thought would have gone on the "Master Taigam" card.
The card references the Sultai, who are B/U/G, and Silumgar, who is U/B. The card is white. Just doesn't really make any sense.
To be fair, the art of Fate Forgotten features Altar of the Brood. Not sure how the Sultai disappearing and the statue being forgotten is a White action though.
I know it's not happening, but I really wish Moonmist will be reprinted. Now we know planeswalkers-to-be are weak to foggy nights with a full moon - 101 ways to stop Ascension
I will never understand how snakes could freeze your opponent's mana. But Cryogen brought up a very crucial point I had never considered before: cards that cost 2cc being unused, due to their awkward mana cost.
In a mono green rampy deck, this should be up for serious consideration for me next time.
In the story, the Orochi's venom can vary between the paralyzing, the poisoning or the drowsy kind. Apparently they can exert control over which ones to use. I guess the card itself just means Nature is supplying said venom to all your creatures.
I think another factor of the card is that it's an enchantment that attracts quite a bit of attention, like Debtors' Knell. They're powerful enough to justify destruction on arrival and as a result don't see much play, making them less attractive options for deck-building for similar but more subtle cards.
I may be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation aspect. It's possible since it relates to creatures and Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten both refer to artifacts that the Reclamation has nothing to do with the two. I suppose the Snakes all look pretty much the same and the Sultai just built the Altar in its design but coated it with gold since Sultai is also about Opulence.
The Ugin's Construct theory is way off due to several factors:
Firstly, You say "Fate Forgotten is a card about exiling artifacts and enchantments. It has a creature that is gray" - why would it have a creature in its art? It should be an artifact in the art.
Secondly, Color is not an indicator of something that has been abandoned for 1,280 years (How would the Altar stay golden with no one around to maintain it?)
Third, the fangs weren't shaped differently - Ugin's Construct doesn't even have fangs. If anything is shaped differently due to artistic license, it would be the different-shaped torches.
I might be wrong on the Sudden Reclamation since there's a lack of evidence, but Fate Forgotten features something that share similar blue flames from torches/eyes, the same fangs and similar backgrounds as Altar of the Brood, none of which were present (flames/fangs/background) on Ugin's Construct. The flavor text even mentions the fall of Sultai, which the Altar was once part of, but not Ugin's Construct.
But the two torches emitting blue flames present in both Altar of the Brood and Fate Forgotten but not in Sudden Reclamation and Ugin's Construct is what sets the two apart. I think the haze in Fate Forgotten is blocking the hood of the Snake - you can see the upper right side of the Snake's Hood, but not the bottom right since it was obscured by the haze, the left side is completely blocked off from our perspective of view.
My current stand is that Sudden Reclamation was the statue found by the Sultai 1,280 years ago, which they used to build Altar of the Brood. On Tarkir 1.0, the Altar flourished and continued to exist, but on Tarkir 1.1, it was forgotten. Ugin's Construct had nothing to do with the trio.
I waited a full update to see if it was naturally removed, but it wasn't, hence the request.
Just wondering, the program you're using to automatically update the deck lists cannot detect decklists that were removed since its last usage?
How would a Legendary Creature have Rebound anyway? It would have to grant it as well.
Color alone doesn't make for a cycle, strictly speaking we could put 5 Guild Leaders and 5 Guild Champions (from any of the Ravnica Blocks) together and you still get a full cycle of Legendary Two-Colored Creatures. The only reason we don't see Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius and Vorel of the Hull Clade as part of a same cycle is simply from the flavor.
With that said, I do actually think we should have gotten a Taigam card. They did create Melek, Izzet Paragon to fill in a mechanical slot for the role that Ral Zarek technically played in the story (as Guild Champion). Yes, Niv-Mizzet intended Melek to be the Champion, but his relevance in the storyline was pretty much as Taigam's.
It's all about specialty Magic. In the old days, most planeswalkers could mind-read like Jace if they wanted to, I'd suppose. Shapeshifting is just one a lot (of writers I suppose) found convenient and therefore was shown to be used a lot of times.
That's Tasigur, the Golden Necklace who's on Silumgar's neck.
Master Taigam is who some thought would be the Blue Legend.
Well, it's the last third set. I think the Limited Format would be a bit like Avacyn Restored but slower, (not RoE-Slow though).
I liked RoE's Battlecruiser Limited a lot, but I highly doubt Dragons will play out like RoE.
Doesn't make any sense, considering the Fetches featured the Skeletons of the Dragonlords.
But then again, it didn't make sense in Fate Reforged either (unless it was a vision from a possible future.)
Anyway, they would have announced that right off the start if they intended to do it. Now we have the entire set spoiled, I doubt it's happening already.
1) The reason for following the Ugin's Fate distribution is to discourage stores from keeping them instead to sell (A full 15-foil pack might do that).
2) It will not become another Ugin's Fate since these are Pack Foils, not alternate art cards. (Which means you still can get the exact same things from normal boxes.)
3) Giving them only at the end of a tournament would encourage people to actually play the Prerelease instead of just buying the Prerelase Kit and leaving.
You meant Taigam. Tasigur, the Golden Necklace is currently a Legendary Artifact on Silumgar's neck.
I sigh every time I see Student of Ojutai, that art was what I thought would have gone on the "Master Taigam" card.
"But you wanted Force of Will back on that art, so we did the next best thing, we put its hard-cast cost onto Dismiss instead!"
Alpine Grizzly / Dragon-Scarred Bear - From Friend to Food.
Lens of Clarity / Keeper of the Lens - Golem out of nowhere - Might be an insight to what happened to some of the Shamans of Temur.
To be fair, the art of Fate Forgotten features Altar of the Brood. Not sure how the Sultai disappearing and the statue being forgotten is a White action though.
In the story, the Orochi's venom can vary between the paralyzing, the poisoning or the drowsy kind. Apparently they can exert control over which ones to use. I guess the card itself just means Nature is supplying said venom to all your creatures.
I think another factor of the card is that it's an enchantment that attracts quite a bit of attention, like Debtors' Knell. They're powerful enough to justify destruction on arrival and as a result don't see much play, making them less attractive options for deck-building for similar but more subtle cards.