Nezahal, Primal Tide is in your nice version of this deck. How has it performed for you? Is it close to being more than just a sideboard card?
I played one game tonight with Wanderer. Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty did as I thought it would-cascaded into ramp, Dockside Exortionist. Imoti was countered so I didn't get any more data.
I am interested in hearing how Kodama of the East Tree does for you. I think they are fighting for the same spot in my deck.
Coldfire, thanks for the responses. MTG Salvation didn't indicate that you had responded so I apologize for my late reply. Any card previously discussed that isn't mentioned here most likely means I accepted your evaluation.
I think some of our differences in evaluating cards are based on you running a more combo version of Wanderer. My playgroup does not like decks that can go infinite (mana, draw, damage, ect). Some of this is semantics. Tooth and Nail and Foodchain if unanswered almost always result in wins.
I decided to put Wildfire back into the deck. I assume it has been a blockbuster card for you. Would you allow me to detail the differences in our ramp so you can advise me if I made the right call with its addition?
Side note 2: Overgrowth was in Ambivalentduck's list. It was replaced by a much superior version in Gift of Paradise.
We play the same number of lands. A sidenote question-has Sanctum of Eternity every been in the deck? It seems like a good card in theory. I haven't had a chance to play it.
I didn't add back in Devestation Tide after probably cutting it too quickly. I think the term would be "recent confirmation bias" but I am not sure. Your very positive evaluation of this card has it on my radar. Genesis Ultimatum is the cut. I have only cascaded into this card. I will cut it if it proves too difficult to cast from hand.
Will Kenrith is very intriguing. I want to add some additional ways of removing/neutralizing Opposition Agent. Did your playgroup also ban Opposition Agent when they banned Jeweled Lotus? Is there any argument for playing Teferi, Master of Time over Will Kenrith?
Time Stretch in a deck that doesn't go infinite is really, really good. I don't play this deck a lot. But I have never failed to win after resolving this spell.
This brings me to Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty which in theory should be good for this deck. First, a five mana card that cascades has an extremely high chance of casting ramp. Perfect for what I want to be doing early game. Second, I play 22 spells besides Wanderer that are six or more mana. You are playing Spell Jack which I assume is used 90% of the time or more as just a way to get an additional cascade. Imoti does this and everything else I have just detailed without getting stuck in your hand like Spelljack.
I cut Nyxbloom Ancient after your lukewarm review of Regal Behemoth. I have never really needed a permanent that doubled (or tripled) mana. It always seemed I wanted to do something else at six or seven mana than play cards like Mana Reflection or Zendikar Resurgence.
My playgroup doesn't allow for infinte mana, turn, draw, damage, mill, ect. Therefore, I don't have Palinchron or Deadeye Navigator in my list. Is Brutalizer Exarch a reasonable cut considering the option of tutoring one of Palinchron and Deadeye Navigator is not an option for me?
My playgroup is advocating for Oko, Theif of Crowns to take Karn Liberated's spot but would Brutalizer Exarch not be the better choice? Or is Oko overrated for a casually competitive environment or in this deck?
I do play 17 creatures several of which are combat based-Scourge of the Throne , Moraug, Fury of Akoum, Pathbreaker Ibex. Pathbreaker has proven to be an all star. It doesn't take many creatures to stack up damage and Maelstrom becomes a two shot kill with Pathbreaker attacking.
Wincons:
I have Foodchain and Intuition, which has the same package to get Foodchain as Ambivalentduck's list.
Time Stretch as mentioned has proven to be a game ender.
It is not rare for commander damage to eliminate one opponent and the deck plays enough combat based creatures to win. The extra turns and extra combats occasionally (10%?) result in Kozilek, Butcher of Truth ending games.
Cold Hellfire, thanks for importing and updating this list. Have you given any consideration to moving this decklist and discussion to Moxfield.com? It seems to be the hot spot now.
A few questions:
Ambivalentduck's list seemed to eschew interaction for ramp, draw and "bombs". It seems you have added some interaction in Will Kenrith, and Rowan Kenrith, Or is Will Kenrith used more for -2 draw and cost reduction ability? How are these two planeswalkers performing?
Carpet of Flowers needs to be in your list. A sidenote-you can use the mana it produces on your second main phase if you cast it during your first main phase. This card is not coming out of my deck.
I am very surprised to not see Consecrated Sphinx on your list. It is definitely a "bomb" that must be answered or it is game over.
Stolen Identity never seemed great to me. Has it been performing well for you?
Any thought to adding Genesis Ultimatum, Jeweled Lotus, Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty or Dockside Extortionist? I haven't played for a bit so I haven't been able to test them sufficiently. But, Dockside Extortionist has been very strong as it averages four + treasures upon etb. Jeweled Lotus is obviously a theoretical addition. My win rate when I cast a turn 4-5 Wanderer seems to be a lot higher than if the first cast comes later. Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty seems very strong for my deck as I am playing 23 (with Maestrom) six mana or more spells.
I count five extra turn spells in your list. I play seven that can be cascaded as well as Time Stretch. I have yet to lose after resolving Time Stretch. Extra turns seem so strong in this build. Any thoughts to adding more, possibly Capture of Jingzhou?
I cut Evacuation, Oblivion Stone and Devastation Tide from Ambivalentduck's list. One of those three may not have been on his list. How often do you cast Devastation Tide off of cascade? I think I would add Evacuation back between the three as it bounces all the creatures. Your deck (and mine to a lesser extent) are light on creatures.
Mystic Confluence has been a card I have had on my radar. Has it been strong for you?
The only other change is I cut Vampire Lacerator. I used that slot to test out Scapegoat though I have yet to cast it. I think Vampire Lacerator is bad and I don't like having to remember a trigger for a bad card.
I gave the War of the Spark and M2O changes a test today. I really like the direction you are taking the deck. How has the new aristocrat playline been performing for you?
I added Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait. This card seems really good for us (fetches, land ramp).
Nezahal, Primal Tide is in your nice version of this deck. How has it performed for you? Is it close to being more than just a sideboard card?
I played one game tonight with Wanderer. Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty did as I thought it would-cascaded into ramp, Dockside Exortionist. Imoti was countered so I didn't get any more data.
I am interested in hearing how Kodama of the East Tree does for you. I think they are fighting for the same spot in my deck.
I think some of our differences in evaluating cards are based on you running a more combo version of Wanderer. My playgroup does not like decks that can go infinite (mana, draw, damage, ect). Some of this is semantics. Tooth and Nail and Foodchain if unanswered almost always result in wins.
Two other notable differences in our decks are board sweepers and top deck manipulation. You are playing Devestation Tide and Oblivion Stone in addition to Sensei's Divining Top and Scroll Rack.
I decided to put Wildfire back into the deck. I assume it has been a blockbuster card for you. Would you allow me to detail the differences in our ramp so you can advise me if I made the right call with its addition?
We are playing the same planeswalkers that ramp.
You are playing Worn Powerstone, Coalition Relic, and Mind Stone and I am playing Jeweled Lotus.
Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath and Regal Behemoth are in your deck. Dockside Extortionist, Lotus Cobra and Oracle of Mul Daya are in mine.
Nature's Lore, Farseek and Explosive Vegetation are in your deck. Cultivate is the only ramp sorcery I play that you don't play.
Carpet of Flowers and Gift of Paradise is the only enchantments I am playing that you are not.
Side note 1: Farseek should be replaced by Three Visits with the reprint.
Side note 2: Overgrowth was in Ambivalentduck's list. It was replaced by a much superior version in Gift of Paradise.
We play the same number of lands. A sidenote question-has Sanctum of Eternity every been in the deck? It seems like a good card in theory. I haven't had a chance to play it.
I didn't add back in Devestation Tide after probably cutting it too quickly. I think the term would be "recent confirmation bias" but I am not sure. Your very positive evaluation of this card has it on my radar. Genesis Ultimatum is the cut. I have only cascaded into this card. I will cut it if it proves too difficult to cast from hand.
Will Kenrith is very intriguing. I want to add some additional ways of removing/neutralizing Opposition Agent. Did your playgroup also ban Opposition Agent when they banned Jeweled Lotus? Is there any argument for playing Teferi, Master of Time over Will Kenrith?
Time Stretch in a deck that doesn't go infinite is really, really good. I don't play this deck a lot. But I have never failed to win after resolving this spell.
This brings me to Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty which in theory should be good for this deck. First, a five mana card that cascades has an extremely high chance of casting ramp. Perfect for what I want to be doing early game. Second, I play 22 spells besides Wanderer that are six or more mana. You are playing Spell Jack which I assume is used 90% of the time or more as just a way to get an additional cascade. Imoti does this and everything else I have just detailed without getting stuck in your hand like Spelljack.
I don't know why I didn't think about testing Kodama of the East Tree.
I cut Nyxbloom Ancient after your lukewarm review of Regal Behemoth. I have never really needed a permanent that doubled (or tripled) mana. It always seemed I wanted to do something else at six or seven mana than play cards like Mana Reflection or Zendikar Resurgence.
I should mention I cut Kozilek, Butcher of Truth for Apex Devastator. I think it is even better in your deck which doesn't play the combat oriented creatures like mine-Moraug, Fury of Akoum or Pathbreaker Ibex. Kozilek draws four while Apex Devastator casts four. The annihilator four trigger will missed but it is just hard to pass on four more chances at an extra turn, Food Chain or Tooth and Nail.
What are your thoughts on Crystal Shard?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/VNV_NGt14EKKhVNCq3VP-A
My playgroup doesn't allow for infinte mana, turn, draw, damage, mill, ect. Therefore, I don't have Palinchron or Deadeye Navigator in my list. Is Brutalizer Exarch a reasonable cut considering the option of tutoring one of Palinchron and Deadeye Navigator is not an option for me?
My playgroup is advocating for Oko, Theif of Crowns to take Karn Liberated's spot but would Brutalizer Exarch not be the better choice? Or is Oko overrated for a casually competitive environment or in this deck?
I do play 17 creatures several of which are combat based-Scourge of the Throne , Moraug, Fury of Akoum, Pathbreaker Ibex. Pathbreaker has proven to be an all star. It doesn't take many creatures to stack up damage and Maelstrom becomes a two shot kill with Pathbreaker attacking.
Wincons:
I have Foodchain and Intuition, which has the same package to get Foodchain as Ambivalentduck's list.
A Tooth and Nail with Maelstrom on the field is game over as I play Avenger of Zendikar and Craterhoof Behemoth.
Time Stretch as mentioned has proven to be a game ender.
It is not rare for commander damage to eliminate one opponent and the deck plays enough combat based creatures to win. The extra turns and extra combats occasionally (10%?) result in Kozilek, Butcher of Truth ending games.
A few questions:
Ambivalentduck's list seemed to eschew interaction for ramp, draw and "bombs". It seems you have added some interaction in Will Kenrith, and Rowan Kenrith, Or is Will Kenrith used more for -2 draw and cost reduction ability? How are these two planeswalkers performing?
If you had to cut Dak Fayden, Garruk Wildspeaker or Uro, Titan of Nature's Wraith what gets the axe? If you had to cut two of the three which card survives?
Carpet of Flowers needs to be in your list. A sidenote-you can use the mana it produces on your second main phase if you cast it during your first main phase. This card is not coming out of my deck.
I am very surprised to not see Consecrated Sphinx on your list. It is definitely a "bomb" that must be answered or it is game over.
Stolen Identity never seemed great to me. Has it been performing well for you?
Any thought to adding Genesis Ultimatum, Jeweled Lotus, Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty or Dockside Extortionist? I haven't played for a bit so I haven't been able to test them sufficiently. But, Dockside Extortionist has been very strong as it averages four + treasures upon etb. Jeweled Lotus is obviously a theoretical addition. My win rate when I cast a turn 4-5 Wanderer seems to be a lot higher than if the first cast comes later. Imoti, Celebrant of Bounty seems very strong for my deck as I am playing 23 (with Maestrom) six mana or more spells.
I count five extra turn spells in your list. I play seven that can be cascaded as well as Time Stretch. I have yet to lose after resolving Time Stretch. Extra turns seem so strong in this build. Any thoughts to adding more, possibly Capture of Jingzhou?
How has Season's Past been performing? Has Time Spiral ever been in the deck?
I cut Evacuation, Oblivion Stone and Devastation Tide from Ambivalentduck's list. One of those three may not have been on his list. How often do you cast Devastation Tide off of cascade? I think I would add Evacuation back between the three as it bounces all the creatures. Your deck (and mine to a lesser extent) are light on creatures.
Mystic Confluence has been a card I have had on my radar. Has it been strong for you?
The only other change is I cut Vampire Lacerator. I used that slot to test out Scapegoat though I have yet to cast it. I think Vampire Lacerator is bad and I don't like having to remember a trigger for a bad card.
I gave the War of the Spark and M2O changes a test today. I really like the direction you are taking the deck. How has the new aristocrat playline been performing for you?