I don't see how this is possible at all with the interaction between Iso and Wrath.
IE: There is no way I can with the your lying about what Seppel said from WoD that Iso/WoD combo could even be a thought in your head.
Iso and Wrath as a combo ISN'T in my head. It's a "low probability" deal because the Anak/Wrath scum pair is dependent on Iso being TOWN.
I don't understand how someone could think this. I have been voting Iso a majority of the game. Why do people think me not liking Iso at all is this new thing?
It was one of those low-probability deals that had me second-guessing. Basically an elaborate gambit/bussing attempt involving you and Wrath being on the scum team.
Finally Tilde. Crazy
All I get is crazy. I would like to know who you think is scum besides Iso and why?
I'm not sure. Iso's pretty much focused all my attention today. Earlier interactions between you and Iso have you in my tending scum pile.
Cyouni's been pretty much staying as far away as possible from Iso all day today. Distancing maybe?
Wrath was responsible for starting this, so he's out as Iso's buddy unless this is a REALLY elaborate gambit, which... now that I think about it is possible.
Archonoid's solid town in my book.
Anak, did jump on the Iso wagon.... An Anak and Wrath team?
Eco... is still a null read... which is disconcerting.
Ganderin's not come back yet...
Ugh, I need to not get caught up in the low percentage possibilities and start second guessing everything.
Short answer for my scum team - Iso, Pinky and.... either Ganderin or Eco.
Guess we'll see what happens to Wrath. I will note that you didn't use all caps like you did with ganderin though. Probably nothing, but... I'll follow Maxim #30: "A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go."
I also have a 50% chance to receive a Cop result if I successfully remove an ability from that player.
which means you can't count on an investigation even triggering.
3) You've said yourself you'd remove my ability at the first opportunity. If you can't use your ability until tomorrow, why try to get a claim out of me today?
When all of a person's abilities are scum abilities, chances are..that person is scum. I'm not going to look through the history of every mafia game for an example of a scum JoAT. Are you really trying to argue that it's never happened?
Skander behaved like scum. His claim doesn't guarantee that he is town. That's all that there is to it.
Cyan basically said that scum JoaTs are possible, so obviously this evidence couldn't have let you determine without a doubt that Arcadic was town prior to his lynch.
EDIT while posting - Oh look, Iso's managed to somehow conjure up info on those mystery abilities Arcadic had.
I won't claim them all since some of them are better left unclaimed but Cop, Doc, Watcher, Tracker and Roleblock are 5 of the 11 one shots i have at night. I have a one shot triple vote as well that is a day ability. Win Condition: Eliminate all threats.
My assumption is that Iso thinks that he'll be able to find out everyone's alignment by matching their claim with Cyan quotes, not through his ability.
If he could match alignment to ability via Cyan quotes, then why hasn't he been able to produce more than the vague result on Some One? If the game was breakable in that fashion, surely by now he'd have a clearer example?
Iso claimed once per game day. Iso also said if he knows everyone's roles, he can determine everyone's alignment, presumably by using his "50/50 cop investigation" that he claims he gets when he vanillas someone.
That's complete bollocks, as he simply couldn't use his ability enough to do that if it was limited to 1/day.
Wanna make sense of what you just said? Because all I'm seeing is meaningless prattle that has no basis in fact whatsoever.
In any realistic sense, a 12 player game won't last beyond Day 5 except in extraordinary cases. That gives you, at best, 5 chances to use your ability during this game, if you're being honest about the 1/day. 5 chances at a 50/50 investigation equals 2 or 3 successful ones.
If I have everyone's role information, I can find everyone's alignment.
2 or 3 cop investigations at most DO NOT EQUAL EVERYONE. And if you're limited to 1 use / day of your power, why continue pushing SO DAMN HARD for a mass claim after you've used your ability for the day.
Therefore, I believe you are lying about 1/day vanilla ability. And if you're lying about that, your motivation for the mass claim becomes suspect.
If I have everyone's role information, I can find everyone's alignment. So YES, I can break the game open.
So, if you have everyone's role info, you can use your ability (which you've said is only useable 1/day) to remove an ability from a player and you also get a 50/50 shot at determining that's player's alignment.
That'd take.... 16 or so game days to reliably find out everyone's alignment? In a 12-player game?
Thanks for confirming that you have unlimited uses of your ability, scum.
PS: An alien biology would likely be immune to anything in our environment, not allergic. Incompatible chemistries.
Incompatible chemistry would tend more toward toxic reaction than no reaction at all, so allergy is a more accurate response. At best, aliens trying to eat a hamburger would find it's about as nutritious as us eating sawdust. More likely, it'd be like drinking a cup of Drano.
No there is 3 votes on Iso. I will be pissed if he's voted for with this weak reasoning crap going on.
At best Iso can be annoying (which I see rub people the wrong way).
Archonoid's is not weak reasoning. Iso and Wrath have made statements that are inherently conflicting. Therefore, at least one of them is lying.
Iso's also misrepped his reasoning behind wanting the mass claim in the first place, it wasn't to 'break the game open', it was so he'd be able to remove whatever ability he felt like, and I have no doubt his claim of being able to only remove abilities once a day is a lie.
And he hasn't come up with a reasonable facsimile of the list of "Cyan says these roles are impossible" to match up with the known roles we have. To wit, HIS OWN ROLE should have been the first one he found, and now that he's come out with said role... he hasn't bothered to post the proof.
Notice that in this video, the artifact appears on the other side of the planet relative to the sun. This immediately destroys any hypothesis that depends on it being an actual phenomenon of any kind, whether the UFO hypothesis, the magnetic-bow-shock hypothesis, or whatever.
In both cases, though, the artifact appears to the rear of the planet in terms of its apparent motion across the background, which basically indicates that the explanation that it is an artifact of the image processing based on the previous location of the planet is correct.
EDIT: It's worth pointing out that if you've ever done astronomy, you know how heavily-processed this kind of image is. Any astronomical image released to the public, even if it's taken with an ordinary CCD (digital camera), has already undergone significant processing. In this case, the processing is to amplify the very faint signal from the CME.
EDIT 2: You can read absolutely everything about the sensor here. Chapter 10.2 discusses subtracting the background and explains that it is summed over an interval of (at minimum) 1 day. This is the procedure that is causing this particular artifact.
If you look in the second video, you'll see a similar "lens flare" effect cropping up around Mars at the same time.
I find this post to be in very poor taste. Casting suspicion on me for having a real life is pretty low. You'd actually have a point if I'd actually disappeared without warning under actual pressure, neither of which are true.
If you had voted me, I'd have been at L-2. Why didn't you?
Because at the time, I didn't have a clear read on you either way, I still don't. If I had voted you then, we all probably would have been sitting around twiddling our thumbs waiting for you to claim when you got back.
All you did is maintain consistency. It doesn't prove anything towards your alignment. Fact is that you've been harping for a mass claim from everyone else since the beginning of this game just so you ALONE can have the power to nerf them.
You are not the end-all be-all of this game you think you are, and a negator/perma-blocker ability like yours is far more suited to scum than town.
Iso and Wrath as a combo ISN'T in my head. It's a "low probability" deal because the Anak/Wrath scum pair is dependent on Iso being TOWN.
It was one of those low-probability deals that had me second-guessing. Basically an elaborate gambit/bussing attempt involving you and Wrath being on the scum team.
I'm not sure. Iso's pretty much focused all my attention today. Earlier interactions between you and Iso have you in my tending scum pile.
Cyouni's been pretty much staying as far away as possible from Iso all day today. Distancing maybe?
Wrath was responsible for starting this, so he's out as Iso's buddy unless this is a REALLY elaborate gambit, which... now that I think about it is possible.
Archonoid's solid town in my book.
Anak, did jump on the Iso wagon.... An Anak and Wrath team?
Eco... is still a null read... which is disconcerting.
Ganderin's not come back yet...
Ugh, I need to not get caught up in the low percentage possibilities and start second guessing everything.
Short answer for my scum team - Iso, Pinky and.... either Ganderin or Eco.
So, you're able to fire your ability even if the claim is false.
I've been available as a target for you since post #18. Let me refresh your memory.
Guess we'll see what happens to Wrath. I will note that you didn't use all caps like you did with ganderin though. Probably nothing, but... I'll follow Maxim #30: "A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go."
Because:
1) I don't trust you at all.
2) You said:
which means you can't count on an investigation even triggering.
3) You've said yourself you'd remove my ability at the first opportunity. If you can't use your ability until tomorrow, why try to get a claim out of me today?
Don't you mean this quote?
Cyan basically said that scum JoaTs are possible, so obviously this evidence couldn't have let you determine without a doubt that Arcadic was town prior to his lynch.
EDIT while posting - Oh look, Iso's managed to somehow conjure up info on those mystery abilities Arcadic had.
If he could match alignment to ability via Cyan quotes, then why hasn't he been able to produce more than the vague result on Some One? If the game was breakable in that fashion, surely by now he'd have a clearer example?
That's complete bollocks, as he simply couldn't use his ability enough to do that if it was limited to 1/day.
In any realistic sense, a 12 player game won't last beyond Day 5 except in extraordinary cases. That gives you, at best, 5 chances to use your ability during this game, if you're being honest about the 1/day. 5 chances at a 50/50 investigation equals 2 or 3 successful ones.
2 or 3 cop investigations at most DO NOT EQUAL EVERYONE. And if you're limited to 1 use / day of your power, why continue pushing SO DAMN HARD for a mass claim after you've used your ability for the day.
Therefore, I believe you are lying about 1/day vanilla ability. And if you're lying about that, your motivation for the mass claim becomes suspect.
So, if you have everyone's role info, you can use your ability (which you've said is only useable 1/day) to remove an ability from a player and you also get a 50/50 shot at determining that's player's alignment.
That'd take.... 16 or so game days to reliably find out everyone's alignment? In a 12-player game?
Thanks for confirming that you have unlimited uses of your ability, scum.
Incompatible chemistry would tend more toward toxic reaction than no reaction at all, so allergy is a more accurate response. At best, aliens trying to eat a hamburger would find it's about as nutritious as us eating sawdust. More likely, it'd be like drinking a cup of Drano.
Archonoid's is not weak reasoning. Iso and Wrath have made statements that are inherently conflicting. Therefore, at least one of them is lying.
Iso's also misrepped his reasoning behind wanting the mass claim in the first place, it wasn't to 'break the game open', it was so he'd be able to remove whatever ability he felt like, and I have no doubt his claim of being able to only remove abilities once a day is a lie.
And he hasn't come up with a reasonable facsimile of the list of "Cyan says these roles are impossible" to match up with the known roles we have. To wit, HIS OWN ROLE should have been the first one he found, and now that he's come out with said role... he hasn't bothered to post the proof.
If you look in the second video, you'll see a similar "lens flare" effect cropping up around Mars at the same time.
So, sad to say it's not
Because at the time, I didn't have a clear read on you either way, I still don't. If I had voted you then, we all probably would have been sitting around twiddling our thumbs waiting for you to claim when you got back.
All you did is maintain consistency. It doesn't prove anything towards your alignment. Fact is that you've been harping for a mass claim from everyone else since the beginning of this game just so you ALONE can have the power to nerf them.
You are not the end-all be-all of this game you think you are, and a negator/perma-blocker ability like yours is far more suited to scum than town.