Your posting reminds me of a very select few of players, which is where I'm basing most of my assumptions.
So because I remind you of a very specific group of players, who may or may not include some of the players I read but at least statistically probably don't, you're going to base your assumptions on how I'd play on a more than superficial level on them? Because reading someone's mafia game makes you automatically be able to actually emulate their methods?
I don't really understand why you guys are trying to argue with me about the reasons I thought vezok was a Mason when he's a freaking Mason. Like, regardless of whether or not you agree with my rationale, that didn't make it any less valid to me as reasons to have Masonread vezok. I pegged him as a Mason. My posts prior to end of Day 1 indicate this. I've cited some of my reasons. I don't have to write you a thesis and you don't have to agree with me. They're my reads and my reasons for having them. Not yours. FFS.
God, this is so selfish, I want to say it isn't town.
Yeah I guess I could be wrong about Tubba being a Mason, which definitely puts him in the PoE. I could buy Sentenza being a Mason. I just thought she was acting independently.
Like, Grape and I were her strongest townreads on D1 and she didn't really do much to engage with us and talk about the game.
She tossed some comments /at/ us and answered the occasional question, but there was no real "hey these are my reads what do you think of them, i think your reads are x because y, did we both reach conclusion z?" There was no conversation.
Again, you are making some very specific assumptions about how I play.
Would you not expect a newer player to be less comfortable discussing the gamestate / reads with townreads out of a paranoid fear of being pocketed? I'm not suggesting this is my reason for not doing that, or even that I have one, or even that I think it's bad that I didn't, but my general blueprint of "a new mafia player who rolled town" is someone who's extremely cagey and worried less about getting correct wolf reads and more worried about getting fooled by someone by incorrectly reading them as a villager.
That has not been my experience with newer players at all, so no.
Usually they freeze, or ask for help on what to do, or just say things without really thinking about them.
Your suppositions about newbtown contrast my own experience. I am dubious.
I don't think you've ever checked out DLP.
We don't get a flood of brand new people; usually they come from other sites. But the true newbs usually act like I said.
Like, you missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what /we/ think of your Masonread and how you got it, or whether or not you're bull*****ting us. You need our votes.
Iso, I know you forget sometimes, but the point of the game is to explain your thought process so that people can read you and decide whether or not to follow. This isn't a spec thread.
Like, Grape and I were her strongest townreads on D1 and she didn't really do much to engage with us and talk about the game.
She tossed some comments /at/ us and answered the occasional question, but there was no real "hey these are my reads what do you think of them, i think your reads are x because y, did we both reach conclusion z?" There was no conversation.
Again, you are making some very specific assumptions about how I play.
Would you not expect a newer player to be less comfortable discussing the gamestate / reads with townreads out of a paranoid fear of being pocketed? I'm not suggesting this is my reason for not doing that, or even that I have one, or even that I think it's bad that I didn't, but my general blueprint of "a new mafia player who rolled town" is someone who's extremely cagey and worried less about getting correct wolf reads and more worried about getting fooled by someone by incorrectly reading them as a villager.
That has not been my experience with newer players at all, so no.
Usually they freeze, or ask for help on what to do, or just say things without really thinking about them.
Given that you didn't act like that at all, I went ahead and started treating you like you knew exactly what you were doing.
Which is unfair, I guess. I promise to actually be sorry once the game is over and I know your alignment.
Most of my scumread on her is based on something that probably wouldn't make sense to you, so I guess I understand why it seems bizarre.
The core of it is that her playstyle is based on good players she's read a lot about, but she isn't acting like them in the way I would expect those players to actually /perform/ as town, but rather /look/ town. tLike there's something missing - the inherent quality of being uninformed AND needing to seek out other potential townies to discuss the game with until the puzzle pieces fall into place.
Kind of buying this, actually. It's wrong, but I think I believe you actually think it.
For the record, I think you are reading too much into my comments about the way I've prepared myself to play.
It's very possible, and something I'd be interested in hearing more about post-game.
Like, I'm not even the one who said it. vezok lampshaded the fact that it's weird dan of all people died, and that thought never crossed over to "why did dan die over Sentenza?" I'm the one presenting that hypothesis, and now it needs to be discussed rather than brushing it off as me being scum going after a towny person for literally no reason.If all of these are things the scumteam thought, that dan wasn't likely to be a Mason, that dan wasn't really pushing anything aggressively, that dan wasn't a threat, then I think dan's death points to the towniest person in the game (Sentenza) actually being scum.
If you can't think of a good reason for the NK, then maybe you shouldn't be basing a read off it.
The Masons probbbably don't have the same flavor; otherwise scum wouldn't be able to fakeclaim. Flavor shouldn't be mechanically relevant, and even when it is, scum usually have fakeclaims prepped for them.
In that specific scenario with that specific PoE, I'm still town, which means DoTA must be mafia.
which is where a lot of my paranoia/suspicion is stemming from
Speaking of which, DoTA is gonna have fun catching up on all this.
We don't get a flood of brand new people; usually they come from other sites. But the true newbs usually act like I said.
Usually they freeze, or ask for help on what to do, or just say things without really thinking about them.
Given that you didn't act like that at all, I went ahead and started treating you like you knew exactly what you were doing.
Which is unfair, I guess. I promise to actually be sorry once the game is over and I know your alignment.