My options for day two look like {Wheat, Generic, compromise on LnGrrrR}
Generic, the argument you had with Sir Chris on pages 73-74, in combination with the weak-defense you did of me in #1846, is what I was referring to in #1853
Felt like I got a good amount of genuineness from him in his responses to me. I was able to, over the last few days, read over Archer when I could steal a moment and do some thinking on it. Cyan hesitates much more in Archer than he has at any point in this game. Like, a lot more. I was thrown at first because Rhand was saying stuff that I still don't agree with in regards to his harshness, but scum Cyan flounders a lot. If he has sealed off that weakness this quickly then good for him, but it's a pretty stark contrast at times, and especially under pressure. Granted I don't know how much pressure a scum Cyan would feel when dealing with a supposed newbie like me, someone he clearly has no respect for, but I did my best regardless.
By the way the people wanting to lynch Rhand under the guise of 'correct play' really piss me off. No two ways about it. It is... bogus play. Nothing I've seen today from Rhand makes me think scum at all btw. Like, nothing. He has had conviction, he has had pro town stances, and he has spent more time arguing for the safety of someone else rather than properly defend himself. I sense no desperation from him at all. If rhand is scum... I have been amazingly outclassed here. So given that, I am going to vote for someone who is spouting about correct play in regards to lynching rhand. Because god do scum love that stuff. "Oh yeah, it's the right play." Such hand waving. If you're town doing that, it's garbage play. Just... garbage. Like dig deeper, find out more. Days around here last forever. You have plenty of time to think up things. You guys are clearly super smart, so much better than the people I play with in many regards, you have to be capable of more than such basic scum hunting methods with so many obvious flaws.
More later.
I would lynch it for information as a compromise, but not to start with. Perhaps you should start your investigation with those who claim it is the "correct play".
@tn: Your exact word to describe scarbo's reasoning was "suspicious", though.
Explain to me how that jives with what you just said, please.
His reasoning is suspicious. To be fair, I didn't immediately realize he had been mod-confirmed when I made the original post this quote is referring to.
Also stop voting fulcrum. There's no reason for scum to go to the effort to vanillafy Rhand only to try to get him lynched the next day.
Why? Why doesn't scum want us to misslynch Rhand toDay if he is town? Seems like exactly what they would want to do. Similar to keeping a claimed doc alive and roleblocking them.
No. If Rhand is town, he's been neutralized. Obviously it would be more beneficial to lynch a functional PR.
And yes. EXACTLY like roleblocking a doc and keeping them alive.[/quote]
Why would Rhand say he's a doc and then say he was vanillified the next day if he was scum.
It makes no sense.
It does if he wants to avoid having to give fake results. I can't see how that would be a real thing, outside of a couple of specific situations, though.
unvote, vote tn
Casting suspicion on confirmed town? I think that's a mistake that only scum can make.
Excuse you? I don't give a ***** if he's confirmed bulletproof doublevoter sane cop, that doesn't mean his reasoning is always going to be right.
How it is 'not possible' for town to question the mod confirmed town when he's doing something potentially unproductive?
If I was going to play a game where I didn't have to think, I wouldn't have signed up for mafia.
While I may disagree with your assessment of my vote, I certainly agree with 5 pages a day making it hard to keep up.
@Seppel: I do what I want regardless of what the majority wants.
@Killjoy: It's a massive cluster****, enough said.
@scarbo: That's called developing reads. Even though I want to hear the answer myself, there are almost a thousand posts between those 3 quotes. Your blatant misrepresentation (making them look closer than they actually are) is just as suspicious as Cyan's play.
Oh yes, changing your mind is normal. But the way you're flipping views isn't. You went from LngRrrr is town to agreeing with me that LngRrrr is scum to saying I am scum with hardly anything happening inbetween that last view switch and not explaining it.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out why, since there were relevant posts in that timeframe.
This all started because you said I hadn't supplied reasons and was just slipping you in my scum list. Clearly indicating you hadn't read my posts since I had you as a scum read for most of the day.
I then summarized a few reasons why I was scum reading you. YOU replied to only one of them and then call ME out for only replying to one point in your reply where you reply to one point and then deflect another (which actually is false if you look at what you just quoted, I clearly have 4 points.) while implying you could even be wrong (which you were). Then you follow up with an emotional reply only focusing on my playstyle comment and handwaving everything else including the fact that I pointed out you were wrong.
You say I am seemingly missing most of your earlier posts for some reason. Yet, at the same time you don't reply to my points that you clearly haven't been reading my posts, since your points would all be answered by reading me. Overreact much?
No response because this is the first and will be the last time I check the thread toDay, I'm heading out to a party and won't be back until after the Day ends. Besides, you said in your previous post you were going to address that post later, so why would you think I need to respond before waiting for you to actually address it? Also, the only thing for me to respond to in your last post is, "why not iso me?" which doesn't really even make sense to me because I think I have a decent idea of what your play has been like.
Yes, really. If someone voted you "mostly naked" as you say, I clearly didn't question it at the time so it probably wasn't something that stood out to me or I would have. As I said, I have questioned my town and scum reads alike this game when I don't like something. And looking back, Rhand was questioning you when he voted you and did give a reason based on your mindset, continued to question you, and then liked your responses. Seems like a non-naked and pretty towny progression. scarbo put pressure on you because you were lurking, and then again voted you for a clearly stated reason based on you mindset. So I guess that explains why I didn't have a problem with naked votes, because they really weren't.
1. I'm not pushing playstyle as the only reason. Still not reading my posts huh? Also, what would you say you were pushing Seppel for earlier in the Day? Playstyle choice? So even if I were, which I'm not, why so mad when other people do it? Also also, without any Night actions yet, what else is there really to push someone for on Day one other than playstyle, technically everything is playstyle without any real analysis isn't it? But I digress, I cited playstyle, voting pattern, and lack of scumhunting as reasons, so you are just wrong anyway.
2. I'm not even pushing your lynch. I am not voting you and not telling anyone to vote you. I listed you as a scum read and have given reasons. Again, overreact much?
"Get the f out"? Stay classy.
Sounds like you are getting really mad because you don't believe I have any reason to suspect you, but have you leaning scum. CFTWR?
As for Pink - why is it scummy to try and give advice? It's not like if she flips scum anyone is going to heed them anyway, and if she is town you know there is no ulterior motive. What's the motivation as scum?
Your entire point is that you don't like my playstyle.
Read: Don't have a reason for the scumread that you have on me.
Please cherrypick your evidence more by pointing out the naked vote that had interaction following it, while ignoring the others.
Why should I read your posts when all you're doing is badly pushing a random person?
Why don't you show me exactly where you have reasons that don't boil down to playstyle choices or the sole point that I addressed already, if you think you can?
When I pushed Seppel, I had a damn good reason; namely, that Seppel's posting was helping scum and hurting town.
Why do you need me to look scummy? That's what's confusing me.
I generally access this site once a day for 5-10 minutes for the sole purpose of posting in this thread.
That would make anyone seem lurky.
I have fully explained my rationale for doing so. It's a shame that we disagree, I suppose.
So what did you think of 2 near-naked votes being placed on me? Are they bad? I don't see you criticizing the voting patterns of others (feel free to correct me if im wrong)
I don't care if you have a rationale for being lurky, I still don't have to like it. The majority of games I have lost in my day are due to town being lurky/unengaged in the game and then getting misslynched because of it. So I view lurkiness as anti-town. Add to that the main big wagon of toDay was Rhand, who is an un-cc'd dr. that is likely town, and lurkers look even worse. And the fact that you are making excuses for it here show me that you have a guilty mindset about it.
I don't recall two near-naked votes on you. I would have to check on that, but it apparently wasn't something that I felt I needed to question at the time.
I have criticized the voting patterns of others in this game. Including my town reads. For sure I have questioned Pink, LnG, and DC off the top of my head and pretty sure there has been more than that. ISO me if you want examples, I'm not going to go dig up quotes to prove something that is apparent if you read the game.
Generic, the argument you had with Sir Chris on pages 73-74, in combination with the weak-defense you did of me in #1846, is what I was referring to in #1853
I don't like what I've seen from Generic lately (Namely, OMGUSing)
I'm honestly considering replacing out, I feel like I'm letting you guys down.
I am a person that exists. I'm not liking what I saw from the Chris vs Generic 1v1
>~<
Also I love beetlejuicing.
I would lynch it for information as a compromise, but not to start with. Perhaps you should start your investigation with those who claim it is the "correct play".
Is this a bad Greatest Idea? Did we get a mafia-aligned innocent child?
His reasoning is suspicious. To be fair, I didn't immediately realize he had been mod-confirmed when I made the original post this quote is referring to.
No. If Rhand is town, he's been neutralized. Obviously it would be more beneficial to lynch a functional PR.
And yes. EXACTLY like roleblocking a doc and keeping them alive.[/quote]
It does if he wants to avoid having to give fake results. I can't see how that would be a real thing, outside of a couple of specific situations, though.
Mind backing that statement up, scarbo? You seem to think that being confirmed town means that we'll simply sheep you. You'd be dead wrong.
Excuse you? I don't give a ***** if he's confirmed bulletproof doublevoter sane cop, that doesn't mean his reasoning is always going to be right.
How it is 'not possible' for town to question the mod confirmed town when he's doing something potentially unproductive?
If I was going to play a game where I didn't have to think, I wouldn't have signed up for mafia.
While I may disagree with your assessment of my vote, I certainly agree with 5 pages a day making it hard to keep up.
@Seppel: I do what I want regardless of what the majority wants.
@Killjoy: It's a massive cluster****, enough said.
@scarbo: That's called developing reads. Even though I want to hear the answer myself, there are almost a thousand posts between those 3 quotes. Your blatant misrepresentation (making them look closer than they actually are) is just as suspicious as Cyan's play.
This feels a lot like a handwave to me.
Vote: Seppel
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Your entire point is that you don't like my playstyle.
Read: Don't have a reason for the scumread that you have on me.
Please cherrypick your evidence more by pointing out the naked vote that had interaction following it, while ignoring the others.
Why should I read your posts when all you're doing is badly pushing a random person?
Why don't you show me exactly where you have reasons that don't boil down to playstyle choices or the sole point that I addressed already, if you think you can?
When I pushed Seppel, I had a damn good reason; namely, that Seppel's posting was helping scum and hurting town.
Why do you need me to look scummy? That's what's confusing me.
No response?
>wasn't something I felt needed to be questioned
Really?
You're basically claiming playstyle choice as the sole reason for why you're pushing my lynch.
Get the f*** out.