MTG Salvation

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Constructed:

Turn 1: Drop a mana dork and pray the dork survives
Turn 2: Dies to removal or is countered
Turn 3: If it survives it may have to chump block something big again dies to removal.
Turn 4: Go ahead and attack into an opponents creature probably bigger than a measly 2/2 if they are on creatures, tap out for 5 mana for a 5/5 flyer as you lose your 2/2 and pray a Ratchet Bomb or Blast Zone isn't on the battlefield.

I'm sorry this card is slow and bad in Constructed. It is WAY to conditional. You can try to convince me otherwise but unless there is something that boosts this card up it is a dragon only tiny niche constructed card. I don't draft so this will be the garbage constructed card I pull in droves if I buy boosters.

You don't play this in a deck with dorks, you play it in a deck with gingerbrute, Bobo and 18 other tiny threats, in Standard Burn the upside of having a Nana sink is huge and there really isn't anything right now other than Castle Embereth, in Historic there's Hazoret the Fervent but I'd still play 2x this as an additional mana sink. Yes, burn can win on 2 lands but sometimes you flood.

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It returns the spell to your hand, instead of "countering" it.

So if you can get a profit of a spell regardless of the flips outcome, its all upside (like storm, replicate, any other "copy" ability on spells.

Pretty sure returning the spell to your hand means it doesn't resolve. Just like playing Unsubstantiate against an opponent's spell. Here's the ruling:

If a spell is returned to its owner’s hand, it’s removed from the stack and thus will not resolve. The spell isn’t countered; it just no longer exists. This works against a spell that can’t be countered.

I wouldn't call that all upside. I'd call that annoying and disruptive, especially with higher mana spells that you may not be able to afford casting multiple times a turn.

You're missing some fairly critical pieces that were specifically called out in the post you're replying to: Storm and Replicate. In the case of Storm, if the spell is cheap enough you just get to increase your storm count by 1 and cast the spell again. That can be very good in the right situation. In the case of replicate, all the other copies resolve (I'm pretty sure that replicate happens when you cast the spell not as it resolve), and then there are various niche cards that reward you for casting spells (Thousand Year Storm etc.)

Well thank goodness tormenting voice is in standard still, at least that way if I draw any cards from ZKR I can pitch them to pay for it and draw cards from the rest of standard.

Remind me why Timewalk is P9 and thus is a common?

The pig is ultra adorable. Wildwood Scourge is a cute little hyrda in the right context, kind of wish they'd bumped the rarity and given it trample.

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Seems good with Dual Casting.

Or a level 4 Echo Mage, I guess.

For the ultimate in jank, add any of Goblin Medics, Night Market Lookout, Servant of Tymaret, Fallowsage, Sphinx's Disciple or, my personal favorite, Grimoire Thief

Edit: on second thought, with rituals this could be a t3 win in Modern. Clearly not a deck but maybe the seed of something.

One interesting thing about these is how location specific they are. Historically, lands have been named super generic names to allow for reprinting in other planes, any plane could have a Godless Shrine or a lonely sandbar. Names like these are reserved for land that will not be reprinted in other settings. Not sure what that signals but I feel like this will be the wedge plane going forwards.

Well, given that Winged Words is fairly playable and this is conditionally cheaper, may very well see play. Certainly does a great job of capturing the bond flavour.

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Oooh this might be fatal push of the set

Man I hope Lukka revolts and free’s the tiger

Sadly, I'm pretty sure based on Weaponize The Monsters he only gets to his tiger friend too late. Though, I'm rather glad the scope of our story is man meets cat, man looses cat, man topples plane rather than step 3 being man goes and gets the Guild Pact and the whole pantheon of walkers comes in and lends a redundant hand.

What I want to understand at this point is why does the trailer show Vivien helping the humans when it seems very much like Lukka and Vivien are united (at least at some point in the story) on bringing a new world order to this plane. (New Plane Order?)

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Well thats gonna be hard to beat if there are enough human tokens generating cards in limited. Neat card. Just think the flavorVSeffect is a bit off, you tap the "guards" to get the "traitor" off the city?

Well, the quote isn't exactly correct - apparently they give exactly 1 quarter to traitors - a room in the dungeon with two guards watching them.

If nothing else in standard you can counter like 15 cavalcade triggers on the stack.

Meanwhile I am looking at this card and thinking yes yes and yes!!!

1) why are people *****ing about getting weekend spoilers? This is literally the first time.

2) Can we go back to the second card drawn archetype from Eldraine? This UR flash archetype seems way weaker.

Nah. 4 mana fog is garbage.

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I might even go so far as to say it's great.

And it’s got the coffee mug to prove it!

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If it said "another red source" then he'd never deal more damage with buffs - i.e. if he IS a 4/4, and you give this guy a buff like +2/+0, he'll only deal 6, instead of 8. He's actually better with the current templating.

It's plus 2 though, not double damage, so he doesn't synergize with power buffs anyway.

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Oh god this is what, the fifth "clever" pentacolor legend in the last two years?
It's also the third white one
Impressively boring and generic...

Yeah, they've been overdoing that design style and rarely do true 5-color commanders.

Probably, because it's easier to design.

Not to mention there are a ton of full WUBRG legends already:


And as of ELD, there will be seven "one and all" legends:

General Tazri: WUBRG legend for Allies.
Ramos, Dragon Engine: Flavor throwback to Mercadian Masques, served as a WUBRG commander for the Dragons deck.
Najeela, the Blade-Blossom: WUBRG legend for Warriors.
Sisay, Weatherlight Captain: WUBRG legend for the WUBRG Weatherlight crew.
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim: Tutors lands and helps mana fix.
Morophon, the Boundless: WUBRG legend for whatever tribe you please.
Kenrith, the Returned King: WUBRG King Arthur for Knights, Wizards, and all the other Arthurian goodness.

I like them, as they can hit design space that full WUBRG really can't. For example, let's say someone wanted a WUBRG Elf legend. Now Elves are good at tapping for mana, but most only tap for G. A legend that grants "T: Add one mana of any color" to your Elves would be highly useful. But that's a bit wasted on a WUBRG legend, as by the time you cast that you don't really need color fixing anymore. However, what if the Elf legend cost 2G? To make the WUBRG part less of a gimme, the legend gives Elves you control "T: Add one mana of any color in this creature's color identity". Then not only do you have a commander that helps you color fix and ramp (they can tap for one mana of any color, helping you cast multicolor Elves), you also have a reward for playing Elves of all five colors.

Point is, making WUBRG legends actually cost WUBRG all the time puts constraints on what functional designs you can make. For starters, you can't make a legend that costs less than 5 mana. Not every commander wants a cmc of 5+. There's also the fact a solid WUBRG commander is harder to reliably cast. A monocolor or even colorless commander with WUBRG identity is easier to play, thanks to the option of a lower cmc and requiring fewer colors to play.

At any rate, these kinds of WUBRG legends are every bit as valid as "true" WUBRG legends.

Little John, Friar Tuck, and Will Scarlet?

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

I think, given that this is an Adventure, you aren't as much eating the children as the children are foraging for gingerbread houses and so on.