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Mar 20, 2018Concealed Courtyard, easy. Also, I didn't mean to scare you off those options, instead I was curious to hear how things I wasn't running were performing for you. Speaking of that, keep me posted on Grave Pact. You've got a fair few more sac outlets going than me, so maybe you'll be able to proc the trigger at an opportune time with greater ease than yours truly.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Mar 20, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on Daxos the Returned - Enchantment Speed Bumps GalorePosted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from Snailey »Hi Rumpy and all! Relative newcomer to the format, just wanted to say I have read this thread extensively and it has been an awesome guide along my edh journey. Such an enjoyable read, it has been a huge help in building my first decent commander deck. Thank you so much for putting all the effort you have into this post. Because of the wealth of information and critical analysis found herein I won my first match against my new playgroup, all of whom have very powerful, expensive, and competitive decks, while mine is veeeery budget haha. Couldn't have done it without all the contributions. Keep it up! Cheers,
Hello and welcome. Thanks for the kind words - it's great to have a thread with people posting in it, and it's also a fantastic feeling to know the discussions therein interspersed with my ramblings made a difference
In fairness, I've never tried to take Daxos in that direction. My reaction upon messing with the precon was "what if Rule of Law" rather than "what if Cathars' Crusade", and all of the go-wide/go-anthem effects were stripped from the list in the prehistoric age of messing around with available stock of LGSes, back when Sphere of Safety was somehow impossible to locate. Still, whenever someone is interested in Daxos but doesn't like the somewhat attrition'y style of my build, this is the first less controlling alternative to spring to mind. I feel like there's a decent deck to be made with that assumption, just that none of us have stumbled upon it yet.
Dammit man, you and your zany interactions a lot of the cards you bring up have me whinging with "but this is absolutely horrid on its own", but maybe a critical mass of assorted jank means you always piece together something.
I'm not seeing what you're doing here. Do you just assume generating a swole mana base and blowing up the world?
Mar 16, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on [[Primer]] Norin the Wary - Heads I win, Tails you lose.Yeah, not worth, given thatPosted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsKiki combos with air anyway, in a more game-winning fashion too, and what else would you use this on? This is the sort of card that lives in a few grindy as all hell decks, copying legends that you have no business having multiple copies of.
Mar 9, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on Patron of the Orochi - The Cockroach Tron (Combo/Swarm)Oh boy! A set leak! We haven't had one of those in forever... and as usual, leak or not, there's nothing for Patron to be found. It's possible some wicked cool thing is hiding among the cards that weren't special enough to get card notes, but let's face it, that's not super likely. There's a super cute creature cloner which would be about as winmore as humanly possible in here. However, I did realise that there's a slight improvement to be made, thanks to a logic glitch around the time CN2 hit...Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
09.03.2018 ChangeMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Out:
1 Greenwarden of Murasa
1 Woodland Bellower
In the update where Greenwarden of Murasa was introduced, I explicitly called out that he's there as a recursion element for the Fierce Empath toolbox. Okay, cool, but why not just treat it as a weird proxy for all sorts of utility with Woodland Bellower instead? Recur a graveyard bit with Eternal Witness, make stuff go kerblooey with Reclamation Sage or Ulvenwald Tracker. Unfortunately you can't get Selvala with this. Stupid nonlegendary clause, what good would have fetching Nissa been anyway? Still, the mirror for all sorts of utility feels like it'll bring more to the deck than the Greenwarden (who was good enough to keep after offing the Empath, mind you). Games where I'd use both the Witness and Greenwarden were very few and far in between, so all in all this should be okay.
Also, I don't tend to do game snippets in here, but I just had a wicked crazy one that embodies the current form of the deck perfectly. A random Cockatrice pub, my foes being slivers and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds. Turn five. Selvala is doing bonkers stuff, sets up a swole board including a Terastodon (who ate my Garruk, Primal Hunter) and Soul of the Harvest, runs out of mana, pokes me with Sword of Feast and Famine to untap his lands, barfs out a Genesis Wave for 18. 15 8/9 plant tokens staring the board in the face, pretty gg if it gets back to him. By contrast, I have a Greaves'ed up Selvala of my own, the beast Garruk made and the elephant Garruk became, and four forests. Not the best. Untap, wicked "hold my beer" turn:
- Set down forest, Green Sun's Zenith for X=4 (using Selvala mana) to get out Keeper of Progenitus. Two lands open.
- Earthcraft. Tap two 3/3s and the Keeper to bring mana total back up to 8. Patron!
- Untap everything, Tooth and Nail. Set up Temur Sabertooth + Selvala infinite mana, plus Brutalizer Exarch to tuck noncreatures and Ulvenwald Tracker to frag creatures. Can't draw as the actual Selvala deck has fat fatter than Patron, so have to do it by proxy like so. Get out Kamahl and kill off...
- ...just the Selvala, as I forgot the slivers guy phased out at some point during Selvala's turn. Right. Now bounce Patron up and down, draw a bunch, prepare Staff of Domination. In the guy's upkeep, animate his lands and tap down his entire mana base.
Mar 7, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on Tromokratis Presents: Krakens in Waiting (Voltron/Faux-Tempo)The list is a bit dormant in terms of development. I've been largely busy with a fish deck, but Tromo gets whipped out every now and then. During one of those whip-outs a friend observed that he can do a thing because I have no haste in the deck, and given the lack of the kraken on my board at that point I wouldn't be able to punish him for it. That's actually a good call. Some haste wouldn't hurt.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
07.03.2018 ChangeMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Out:
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
This small change is inspired by me ripping apart my Mardu heap to re-use the sleeves for the fish deck. In terms of cool stuff to fit, more extra turns would be nice. More haste would be nice. More draw would be nice. The list doesn't feel clunky enough to merit immediate tinkering though.
Mar 7, 2018Sheesh, fine. Yeah, I get it, Chord is good. I know that too. And I guess I'd better find room for it.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
07.03.2018 ChangesMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Out:
1 Thought Vessel
1 Tidal Courier
1 Chord of Calling
1 Sylvan Scrying
I papered the list out, minus two cards that I made the mistake of ordering from Italy. It's been over two weeks and not a trace of them. The swaps are just last-minut efficiency tweaks before I debut the deck in paper on Saturday, following up on musings I made in the last post. Sylvan Scrying gets Nykthos, fixing or can also act as a Thought Vessel proxy by going for Reliquary Tower, so that made sense to include. Chord is Chord. Nothing really bad is in the 99, so I took out the most eh card in Tidal Courier. I'm a bit worried this brings me down to 20 fish sticks, but I should hopefully be okay as long as I don't go pillaging for more utility slots.
Mar 2, 2018Yeah, this thing plays pretty damn well. Quite often it descends into a non-infinite combo, wherein you keep untapping loads of stuff, making tons of mana and chewing through the deck, but you have the potential to fizzle out at any second. Surprisingly exciting times! This typically ends in assembling the machinery for a full-blown infinite and winning, but it isn't guaranteed to. Also, the pieces that make this come online are not tutorable, so it doesn't happen with too frightening a regularity.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
The deck seems to be quite high variance - the opposite end of these comboriffic interactions are scenarios when you have no fish, no untappers, and bits of utility in your hand. This is an inherent trait of the list and nothing can be done about it, really. The only way to make it really go away would be to invest heavier into combo and add some Isochron Scepter and Azami interactions, which would transform the deck into a full-blown combo engine that I'm not fully comfortable it becoming. However, I can smooth out some of the nooks and crannies in the list by swapping out some underperformers for preferable options.
02.03.2018 ChangesMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Out:
1 Curse of Bounty
1 Merfolk Sovereign
1 Sun Quan, Lord of Wu
1 Bident of Thassa
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Paradox Engine
Curse of Bounty is the most situational of the untappers. You essentially have to commit Kumena and a fish stick to rip an untap, and if your board is swole enough people sure as heck won't go out of their way to offer you extra untaps in their turns. Merfolk Sovereign is pretty average as far as three drops go, and that spot is a bit sensitive on the curve as the commander lives there too. Sun Quan, Lord of Wu is very nice, I have nothing but the best to say about horsemanship, but he does also happen to cost six mana and only respond to half the creature tutors while Herald of Secret Streams does the same job cheaper (you should probably load up on at least one round of fish swole'ification before you get punching). In turn, Paradox Engine is a slower, crappier Intruder Alarm in the deck, but it's still pretty damn good and since the thing didn't become unplayable after Alarm went in then Engine should have a place too. Drawing cards en masse outside of tapping is pretty darn good, so Bident of Thassa is here to draw cards en masse. True, it doesn't explicitly tap to make Kumena unblockable, but that's a fault I'm willing to overlook Fact or Fiction needs no introduction, if anything it should be noted I'm apparently notorious for missing it out more less accidentally from lists I build.
In terms of stuff that could go in and help smooth matters out, Chord of Calling would be pretty sweet, as would Sylvan Scrying (fetching Nykthos and Reliquary Tower already makes this worth it). Those are sitting around on the outskirts, waiting for stuff to underperform. For now I"m quite happy with where the list is. It's got the potential to do stupid stuff, but is high-variance enough to get away with it when it does happen.
Mar 2, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on Daxos the Returned - Enchantment Speed Bumps GaloreDamn man, those are some mighty fine interactions you got going there. If you choose to follow this path you could consider Oblivion Ring (it's not that bad by itself, and if you get Opalescence out you get another busted piece for your Felidar loop) and maybe Gonti, Lord of Luxury. I'm not sure I can find room for that sort of package, as all this sounds like it would perform kind of eh without all the pieces coming together (especially the support stuff like Felidar Guardian), and I've sworn to never run pure combo pieces after my original Purphoros, God of the Forge build. Drawing dead cards is not the best.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Mar 2, 2018Fair point re Planar Cleansing. Oh, don't get me wrong at all, Crackdown is a staple alright. The problem is that it's a bit of a situational one, while other options can perform in a more even manner. Interesting to see how Solitary Confinement performs, if you find you can keep it around reliably it'd make a very solid include.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Mar 1, 2018Rumpy5897 posted a message on Marchesa, Marionette Master - Undying Robots EDH AffinityYou legit don't own a Consphinx? Pick one up. The price got hammered hard by being in IMA, and it's one of those power lifter cards that go into just about any deck which matches the colour identity.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Feb 25, 2018Posted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from plushpenguin »I bear no responsibility for this.
Yeah, it's not on you - the guy had the idea independent of you, I linked to your build at some point like I mentioned in your thread, he actually seemed to take absolutely no cues from it though. He's quite entrenched in arcbound stuff, Kuldotha Forgemaster + Dross Scorpion + Myr Battlesphere, that sort of jazz. Still, it's one hell of a cool way to build Marchesa, and I was just using the game as an example of just how tunnel-visioned metas can get sometimes and how much it sucks to be on the receiving end of that
Feb 24, 2018Ah, the beautiful life of a Daxos man. The other day I had to grit my teeth and recast him for 13. I had done nothing of note all game long, yet pretty much all the removal was aimed at me and not at the affinity Marchesa who got a good value engine going and was drawing 5+ a turn cycle and eventually won once he actually felt like playing the game. It ebbs and weaves, eventually they'll stop, I'll get a good draw streak, and it'll be back to this point again. For what it's worth, out of my three "established" lists, Daxos is easily the weakest, and my other two builds don't actually reach for the power stars either - a mono blue seven drop voltron, and a turbo jank mono green combo. Hence whenever you say that my build is more competitive I narrow my eyes a bitPosted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Interesting how Zetalpa would catch your eye in Gishath contraptions, of all places, but I guess having one from the command zone certainly "helps". I'm not actually sure how good an out Slaughter the Strong specifically is against her(?), notice how if you cast that against Gishath Zetalpa is likely to be the juiciest thing to keep around. Unless they run tons of anthems or whatever. You may have better luck hitting Zetalpa out of the command zone as I'd imagine the deck has its share of equipment. Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning the card itself in the shell as it's the most brutal of that particular brand of board throttler and I'm on the brink of adding it myself (can't exactly playtest it as asking to start the game with a wrath in hand is going to break the flow of the game hard), just not sure it'll do the job you want it to in this particular scenario. Isn't Tragic Arrogance asking for trouble too, given the fact we tend to build up enchantment real estate?
In terms of stuff I don't run, how have the following played for you?
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Dec 21, 2017Those are fair points. I guess at the very least I'll stop linking to DeckStats ports of my lists in my primers.Posted in: Articles
Some notes - apparently my WB deck still features some green, and the lands that aren't green are apparently colourless. Also, given the fact that your pie charts are highlightable and clickable and something happens when you click, it'd be nice if it'd, say, bring up that selection of cards or something.
Dec 16, 2017I tossed my Daxos primer list up on it for fun, pieces are still green, the order of the cards within sections feels frankly random, all the enchantment creatures went to live with the enchantments. Not sure what's the point of the printing specification, or how to control it when pasting a list (i.e. 95+% use cases of the thing). Not really sure this was needed, in all honesty, given the fact the forums exist and have decks.Posted in: Articles
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