i dont understand the logic of wishclaw talisman over scheming symetry, at least not in main....you need to expend 11B to tutor....+1 to thought scour whatever they use their tutor on.... against B to tutor... then the same thought scour for basically the same effect(you are playing a tempo deck, the extra tutor is most of the times irrelevant..... also... is a permanent that can be blown).....
care to explain your reasoning?
I don't understand why you care for a thoughtscour with a wishclaw talisman since wishclaw talisman automatically puts the card in their hand. I have been able to use wishclaw talisman late game to search for the card to keep the game going or to win the game. The opponent can't counter react once they receive the wishclaw talisman because it works sorcery speed but they have to be very wary if they are to use it because there is a good chance you searched for a archive trap. Also if you run the Ashiok, Dream Render they can't activate the wishclaw talisman.
There are multiple mill players at my FNM, but they all seem to really like wishclaw talisman right now. So I am not too crazy about using this card.
Also I don't have MB surgical in the deck because it kind of hurts drown in the loch. If you are going to take cards early game out of the graveyard then drown in the loch isn't as good. Plus with Urza PO and/or Thopter foundry they can possibly respond to what you are targeting or tap an extra mana to trigger the sword.
You may be better off running extirpate in the deck or SB to deal with those decks.
EDIT: i will try it next tournament, but im not that convinced
EDIT 2: i also find your lack of 4 surgicals in main..... disturbing
again, i may have been wrong on the whole thought scour + wishclaw.... but still i dont see why would you run it instead of symetry... but i guess to each its own
surgical on main wins a lot of matches.... removing cards from gys when: 1. u are milling them for 10+ a pop and 2. need basically like 7 for drown at most... since its a t4 format with fetches... i would think drown of the loch being active is a thing you should be worried about... even with surgical main
I think it's less about which is weaker or stronger, and more about that we now have up to 8 copies of a cheap 5/x flier to attack with. Phantasm wins a significant number of games even though milling them out is the main strategy; doubling the tools for that alternate line of attack is a good thing. In my view it's play both, not either or. Maybe 4 phantasm and 2 or 3 gargoyle if space is an issue or the attacking plan is deemphasized in your build.
i actually proved it with x3 gargoyles... and i can say it improves inmensely some of the worst matches of the deck(burn and infect)... might go down to 2 for space issues... still a great card!
i dont understand the logic of wishclaw talisman over scheming symetry, at least not in main....you need to expend 11B to tutor....+1 to thought scour whatever they use their tutor on.... against B to tutor... then the same thought scour for basically the same effect(you are playing a tempo deck, the extra tutor is most of the times irrelevant..... also... is a permanent that can be blown).....
care to explain your reasoning?
EDIT: i will try it next tournament, but im not that convinced
EDIT 2: i also find your lack of 4 surgicals in main..... disturbing
Last night i got 1st place on a local tourney with the UB version. It was not that big of an event (4 rounds, 16 ppl) but still i perceived the deck to be in a MUCH safer ground than before(its still not tier one, its more like 2.... which is actually good since it used to be like tier 4 or something).
Im not gonna go into the games(it was an relatively easy match, another 2 even, and the final that was against humans) i just wanted to post a couple of lessons learned from the event:
-ensnaring bridge, at cmc 3, has nothing going for it(in my meta at least) so i prolly goin to drop it from sb on the next events.
-i was NOT a believer of MD collective brutallity, but yesterday the card overperformed for me, so it has earned the right to stay there
-likewise, profane memento pretty much won me the humans matchup... gonna go up to 4
-finally, triple U is kinda hard to get on time for mission briefing to be THAT useful(i mean, it is, its just that i found myself with more that one in hand and not the third blue to cast anythig useful with it in a decisive turn).... i was playing 3, i think im gonna chop it back to 2
Still, it was a nice surprise for such a deck to be performing the way it did... even with bad starting hands...
I actually won a 8-pod last nite with it, the deck is a lot more consistent now
im talking about the lands with the art, its NOT a big ask(i aint even asking for foils).... couldnt care less for the cards in it actually
feeling deeply offended...
NOW NOT GONNA BUY FOR SURE
they detail the customized land in their OTHER CARDS part
which implies theres only 1 customized
its utterly riddiculous... wont buy unless its like a dolar more expensive than a std booster
again, i may have been wrong on the whole thought scour + wishclaw.... but still i dont see why would you run it instead of symetry... but i guess to each its own
surgical on main wins a lot of matches.... removing cards from gys when: 1. u are milling them for 10+ a pop and 2. need basically like 7 for drown at most... since its a t4 format with fetches... i would think drown of the loch being active is a thing you should be worried about... even with surgical main
i actually proved it with x3 gargoyles... and i can say it improves inmensely some of the worst matches of the deck(burn and infect)... might go down to 2 for space issues... still a great card!
care to explain your reasoning?
EDIT: i will try it next tournament, but im not that convinced
EDIT 2: i also find your lack of 4 surgicals in main..... disturbing
will try thi for sure in modern
LET THE DISCUSSION BEGIN!!
Im not gonna go into the games(it was an relatively easy match, another 2 even, and the final that was against humans) i just wanted to post a couple of lessons learned from the event:
-ensnaring bridge, at cmc 3, has nothing going for it(in my meta at least) so i prolly goin to drop it from sb on the next events.
-i was NOT a believer of MD collective brutallity, but yesterday the card overperformed for me, so it has earned the right to stay there
-likewise, profane memento pretty much won me the humans matchup... gonna go up to 4
-finally, triple U is kinda hard to get on time for mission briefing to be THAT useful(i mean, it is, its just that i found myself with more that one in hand and not the third blue to cast anythig useful with it in a decisive turn).... i was playing 3, i think im gonna chop it back to 2
Still, it was a nice surprise for such a deck to be performing the way it did... even with bad starting hands...
im gonna keep working on it...ill keep u posted