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  • posted a message on So how is everyone liking the new standard?
    Quote from Tiemuuu »
    i don't even play the deck myself, but it's safe to say no deck is completely "nonskill". look at Tom Ross for example.


    Except Abzan midrange? Kind of just curve out, play the best card in your hand and out-pace everyone else for value. Besides the boss mana dorks, there's 3/3s for 2, 4/4s for 3, 4/5s for 4, all with relevant abilities, deathtouch, hexproof, regen, pumpability, trample, life swap. Not to mention a plethora of removal spells and planeswalkers available. It's just Abzan GoodStuff. Really hard to lose with.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Prowess with Strive?
    Ah, I guess I misread the card. Oh well. I figured that was the case, but good to get clarification!
    Posted in: Magic Rulings Archives
  • posted a message on Prowess with Strive?
    If I have for example a Seeker of the Way and some other creature in play and I attack with both, if I cast Ajani's Presence with an additional Strive to target both creatures, does that second "cast" trigger another boost of Prowess?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings Archives
  • posted a message on So how is everyone liking the new standard?
    Quote from ikillutwice »
    I think warriors can work in mardu but I have yet to test it.
    I find the format to be pretty sweet namely because I put together naya midrange/control and it confused people.
    Lots of potential in the new format I hope that people do not find a few cards that will allow format domination.

    All I see at my local store is Courser/Caryatid/Siege Rhino + whatever other flavor of other stuff thrown in. Usually Rakshasa Deathdealer and Fleecemane Lion or other green fatties. Throw in some Thoughtseize, Hero's Downfalls, Banishing lights, not to mention the amazingly powerful and versatile Abzan Charm, and you've got a force to be reckoned with. There is a lot of potential for variety, but the fact is LOTS of people are playing this deck (or some minor variation) and it's extremely difficult to deal with, unless specifically tuned to deal with it. I had a warriors deck originally and it felt like attacking into a brick wall. It was decent work just getting past their line of Coursers/Caryatids, and that was before even worrying about their actual threats. Now I'm shifting more towards a wrath/kill/disrupt/planeswalker control style build because rounds keep coming down to top deck battles, and that's a hard battle to win against Siege Rhino with other hexproof/deathtouch/regen creatures.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on So how is everyone liking the new standard?
    Quote from Aagilnk »
    Quote from italofoca »
    Abzan and Jeskai are cleary the two dominating archtypes for now. I still have a lot of faith in Mardu and it's cleary the runner behind those two. The Theros decks seens to be flopping very hard, I didn't expect to mono green devo and BW control to just die this way.

    The good thing is, in each of those archtype, the number of possibilities seens to be great, althrough a perfect interaction is just a matter of time.

    Imo this format have much lower diversity among tier 1 then Theros/RTR but this downside is outweight by the fact the decks are much more cooler to play with and the difference between tier one and two two decks seens to be small this time around. There's a dozen of tier 2 deck that have favorable match ups against the tier ones, something that didn't happen last season were Esper and Black Devotion didn't had less then 55% win rate vs. any tier 2 archtype.



    Mardu did very bad at the PT and other tournaments from what I read. It certainly isn´t the runner-up to Jeskai and Abzan, far from it. It seems Mardu simply isn´t viable, how sad that might be.

    As someone invested in Mardu, I can agree. It's definitely been an uphill battle figuring out what works. Abzan just has better value card for card and Jeskai has better speed. Having invested pretty heavily into Mardu colored cards and lands, it's frustrating to see just how bad it is against Abzan/Jeskai over and over. But I think the biggest problem is Mardu doesn't know what it wants to be. The mana base isn't quite there to make a fast aggro deck viable, the value cards aren't quite there to make it a strong enough midrange deck, and the control decks lack good and consistent finishers, especially considering the burn available to Jeskai and removal available to Abzan.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] : Mardu Midrange (RWB)
    At the very least, bile blight hits their dorks as well. An answer to cards that comprise good starts and good endings is certainly nothing to scoff at.


    Sylvan Caryatid is hexproof and Courser of Kruphix is 4 toughness, so unless you're doing something ELSE into them as well, it's frustrating to say the least, especially when most of our burn spells only do 2 or 3 damage. It's been the death of me two FNM in a row. I can either waste a Heros Downfall, Crackling Doom, or Banishing light on the Courser to stall the threats/land life gain (while knowing all the decks run full playsets of both and I have no maindeck answers to Caryatid) or just hope I can deal with whatever threats DO come down. But even then, they have a 0/3 hexproof blocker and 2/4 blocker. The only real ways around them seem to be wraths or air creatures. I'm trying out a creature set next week with Goblin Rabblemaster being the only non-flyer and bringing some nice air support with Herald of Torment, Hushwing Gryff, Stormbreath Dragon, or Wingmate Roc in addition to Butcher of the Horde. With enough kill/disruption, I should be able to survive long enough to get the 5CMC threats online.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on So how is everyone liking the new standard?
    Quote from colesy4971 »
    Quote from contumaz »
    IMO it´s great!. But time will tell if siege rhino was a mistake.


    Let's see, it forces a commitment to three colours, it doesn't trade with itself, it doesn't replace itself, there are no blink cards in standard to take advantage of its ETB.

    The moment I saw it the spoiler for it I felt it was a properly balanced thragtusk for the midrange decks to use.

    It forces commitment to three colors that are known for huge fatties, disruption, kill spells, exiling, life gain, and +1/+1 counters. If I wasn't already invested in black, white, and red just before Khans, I'd be ALL OVER abzan. The stuff is just gold right now. Also, Whip of Erebos is stupid good. Whip a Rhino for another 6 point life swing, attack with lifelink and gain another 4. Who cares if the damage gets through or not, you just gained 7 life for a potential 14 point life total swing. Just makes me wish I invested in Coursers/Caryatids and other staples before Khans launch. And the fact that 75% of local decks are running these is making me main deck things like Hushwing Gryff.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on So how is everyone liking the new standard?
    I guess it matters how much you like Siege Rhino or Jeskai Charm. I'm not a big fan so far because I'm not running either and don't want to dump a couple hundred more dollars to make the switch over. Fingers crossed that Mardu lineups can be more effective soon. At my local meta, it's Siege Rhinos for days.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on What deck is good against Abzan?
    My Mardu deck which is still undergoing lots of tweaking got utterly rocked by Abzan at my last FNM. I either run out of removal or can't present enough threats. The fact that many people were using hexproof/regenerate effects made it even harder. Anger of the Gods is also pretty much useless since everything is 4 toughness (or can be made 4 toughness) and can't be done at instant speed.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Pro Tour Khans of Tarkir: Standard Portion
    Quote from Marquisd »
    I'm working on Mardu as well but I was going more aggro. I really think thoughtseize and or despise may be the only real option. I'm also tempted to try stain the mind. (yeah a turn 3 siege rhino really sucks I'm not sure there really is an answer for that. I think the fact that The Azban players consistently drew multiple copies is what made the decks so strong. (If I didn't know better I'd swear there was more than 4 in the deck.)


    The problem I'm running into is in balancing getting rid of their threats (discard/destroy/exile) while having enough of my threats survive their removal, plus getting through their remaining big bad threats. It's an uphill battle that's totally showcased by the top 8. Luckily, I just play local FNM, but with everyone essentially running some kind of Siege Rhino deck, it's frustrating to have to build around that.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Pro Tour Khans of Tarkir: Standard Portion
    I got to see bits and pieces live, but all I could think of was HOLY ABZAN. As someone trying to work kinks out of a Mardu plan, it was kind of disheartening to see nothing but Abzan and Jeskai make any real impact. I thought it was just my local meta, but I guess that's just THE meta. Hopefully something else will pan out soon so we don't just see Siege Rhino decks for days with the occasional Jeskai Charm burn/Rabble decks, and NOTHING ELSE.

    As far as Ari, I don't mind him whatsoever. I've played a decent amount of poker and his play style is what makes games interesting. May be infuriating at times to deal with a chatterbox, but I think that's better than dead silence for 40+ minutes. You can tell he loves the game and his passion shows in his playstyle and mannerisms.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] : Mardu Midrange (RWB)
    Quote from OrzhovTom »
    This is the deck I played last week, going 3-1. However, while I beat Abzan Midrange and Green Devotion, their deck lists weren't complete. After watching the Pro Tour this weekend, seeing no Mardu in the top 8 (I'm not sure if any made top 16) I feel this deck needs to be tweaked.

    I thought about adding lower CMC creatures to make the deck more aggressive. I also considered adding End Hostilities and making the deck more controlling. Another option is to make the deck more resilient using Spirit Bonds / Ajani's Presence (although that can slow the deck down). I feel the deck works when a power creature comes down while answering opponents threats.

    What are your thoughts?

    It was definitely hard watching all the Abzan dominance. That and Jeskai are clearly the front runners with current configurations. 7 out of the top 8 decks were Abzan or Jeskai.... Lots of work for Mardu to step up against those.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on Rabblemaster alternative?
    If you don't already have a playset of Mantis Rider, that would be the first place to start. As far as filling a Rabblemaster role, Brimaz is probably your only other bet, but depending on your deck, Rabblemasters might be better (and cheaper).
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] : Mardu Midrange (RWB)
    Quote from civilwargoat »
    I think a lot of these lists have mana issues. Non green decks can't reliably support double white or double black on turn three into turn four double red. I think you need to pick a two color combination and just splash the other color. I have been having success the last two weeks with a red/black splash white deck. Also End Hostilities is the best card vs the green devotion decks.


    I personally play 12 scry lands, 4 fetches, 2 Nomad Outpost, an Urborg, and four basics (3 Mountain, 1 Swamp), and it seems to be working out well for me. The format is still pretty slow and the scry is EXTREMELY useful in keeping what I need or getting rid of what I don't.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
  • posted a message on [Primer] : Mardu Midrange (RWB)
    Quote from Shogun1987 »
    Lesson learned last night: Mardu Midrange has to be the aggressor after boarding against Abzan Midrange or they will get OUTLASTED.


    This. So much this. Going to tweak my deck and SB considerably because almost all my matchups were Abzan midrange or GR monsters. Oddly enough, I found the same solutions but didn't realize it. The games where I had more threats but less kill/disruption, I could maintain pace and outrace in a game. When I would SB into a more control play by adding more kill/discard, take out smaller threats, I found myself running out of gas and eventually being overwhelmed. I could stabilize pretty easily for 10+ turns, I just couldn't draw enough threats to actually finish the opponent off. Harness by Force seems like a fantastic card for my local meta. Almost enough to main board 2 of them with 2 more in the side.
    Posted in: Standard Archives
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