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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Mtgthewary »
    Anyway to late your question. Now emrakul raised 12%....it seems I am good at knowing what will happen

    Where is anyone seeing growth in Emrakul? MTG Golfish has it slowly and steadily trending downward for months.

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Rise of the Eldrazi/Emrakul the Aeons Torn#paper

    Edit: This interests me because I have 2 Prerelease foil Emmys and 2 PTQ foil Emmys I'm looking to unload, but they're at an all time low.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    I have a hard time understanding how 3 mana removal is in any way relevant or playable in Modern.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Of ' all those strategies' very few have been good. That's not a reason to ban Phoenix.

    Correct. I have been saying this since January of 2016: Other decks being bad is not a reason to ban a good deck, especially if the goal is to make those bad decks better somehow. Banning the good deck still leaves all those other decks as bad as they used to be, and we have years of evidence to support this.

    If a ban does happen for "competitive diversity" based on GP performances, I would not like it, but it would be absolutely completely justified by past precedent. However, making up some nonsense like that is just as bad and unjust as Twin's ban was.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from gkourou »
    New article from Riley Knight:
    Source: https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/moderns-sky-isnt-falling/?_ga=2.191873833.242662567.1553301288-2059924665.1526989158

    For all the Chicken Lickens decrying Modern as a broken, dead format, there are some more measured and thoughtful responses that seem to hold a lot more water. The highlight of these responses was Corbin Hosler’s Twitter thread, posted after a weekend working at MF Tampa Bay.

    All this is true, but none of it, by any reasonable metric, makes it unfairly dominant. It’s powerful, sure, and it’s putting up worryingly high numbers, but how much of that is because of unanswerable dominance, and how much of it is because people haven’t properly figured out how to beat it?

    To have a deck like Phoenix rule the roost for not even a month and decide Modern is doomed is a little presumptive at best and willfully disingenuous at worst. As Hosler points out, “If you want to beat it, your answers need to be just as flexible [as Izzet Phoenix].” He even goes to point out some of the new technology that is emerging to fight off the Phoenix menace. Already, Modern’s self-correcting nature is swinging into action.

    {..}

    “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    We’ve all been guilty of this capital mistake at one point or another. But you are definitely guilty of this if you are calling for the ban of Arclight Phoenix due to your theories about it being unfairly dominant. The simple fact of the matter is this: you don’t have sufficient data. No one does. With the release of Modern Horizons coming ever closer, Modern is preparing for the biggest shake-up the format has ever seen.

    Arclight Phoenix may end up being an embarrassingly bad card once Modern Horizons is released. Anything from a reprint of Containment Priest to some new Rule of Law-esque card may render the archetype unplayable. Alternatively, so many new archetypes and strategies may be boosted or even spawned by this new set of cards that Izzet Phoenix ends up lost in the shuffle.

    The sky isn’t falling in Modern. Even if it were, and even if Izzet Phoenix was an unacceptably dominant deck, we have such a huge unknown coming down the pipeline in Modern Horizons that it’s pretty short-sighted to be eulogizing Modern in the weeks before Horizons arrives. Instead, put your energy into contesting the format as it stands because after the 14th of June, all bets are off.


    Great article, and I hugely agree to this points. Great read for anyone who has been calling for ban, directly or not.

    I wish people thought this in 2015.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from socketto »
    Quote from cfusionpm »

    Nothing bores me more or feels more tedious than playing spells on my own turn, and it's sad to me that the best "Steam Vents" decks play almost exclusively on their own turn. It's definitely nice to have powerful steam vents deck again, and I definitely play both of them, but it would be nice to actually have like a Delver/Snap/Bolt/Remand deck again; at least while Exarch and Pestermite aren't being cast.


    doesnt grixis delver and grixis DS both fit this description? granted delver isnt high on the tier list but DS certainly is.


    GDS needs to cast it's threats after a bunch of digging, but cfusionpm does indeed play GDS.

    Yeah, basically every meaningful action is done at sorcery speed. Some because you have to, and some because your instants have to synergize with your sorcery speed stuff.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I think with KCI gone, it firmly plants 2 decks near the top, one of which is a (well, sort of) Tempo deck. Players can't complain that there is no playable Tempo or Scalding Tarn deck anymore. I'm not sure if it is enough to appease Tempo players, but the power level is certainly nothing to complain about anymore.

    I may have misrepresented my personal opinion on the matter, or may have a different personal definition of Tempo. I essentially want to do as much as humanly possible on my opponent's end step in order to gain tempo advantage. Either they deal with my thing and tap out/low so I untap and slam a big thing, or they don't and I gain that incremental advantage with little drawback.

    Nothing bores me more or feels more tedious than playing spells on my own turn, and it's sad to me that the best "Steam Vents" decks play almost exclusively on their own turn. It's definitely nice to have powerful steam vents deck again, and I definitely play both of them, but it would be nice to actually have like a Delver/Snap/Bolt/Remand deck again; at least while Exarch and Pestermite aren't being cast.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Friendly reminder that Mana Tithe is currently legal and sees absolutely no play. A "force spike" effect is very bad if it's not free, or can be upgraded to a negate.

    Daze would be a great addition to the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from AvalonAurora »
    Thought Scour targeting yourself would see some play in the same sort of decks. I mean, I've seen that with Thought Scour, but not as often as I'd think if the graveyard aspect was the only thing making FL see the play it does.

    Thought Scour is a 4x staple of both Phoenix and GDS, decks which use the card for its benefit to the graveyard. Dredge doesn't play it because they don't/can't reliably make blue mana to actually cast it. If they could cast it, they absolutely would. It puts two things into the GY and draws AFTERWARDS, meaning you could hit a Dredger off the first two, and then Dredge with your draw.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    The card selection in Faithless Looting is completely unusable for the majority of decks if they aren't abusing the graveyard. This is evidenced by literally no decks every playing this card who are not abusing the graveyard in some way. So the issue here is graveyard abuse, not Faithless Looting. And it will continue to be a problem as long as Wizards keeps printing things which abuse the grave yard, especially for free and uncounterable GY interactions like Chill and Phoenix.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from 13055 »
    Whether SFM belongs on the banlist and whether unbanning SFM would have any relevant impact on the winners' meta are two different questions. Too often people ask for an SFM unban because they want to play her and she looks silly behind bars, and people shoot them down because, truthfully, she wouldn't do anything against the top of the field. SFM unban wouldn't fix our problems, but she wouldn't create more.


    I believe these two statements very firmly:
    1) She should be unbanned.
    2) She will have little to no meaningful impact on the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from gkourou »
    and a Stoneforge Mystic unban may solve all of our issues.

    Serious inquiry: is this an ironic statement? Or do you believe this?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    There is no way around a Looting ban. The card is way too powerful.

    People are packing a bunch of gy hate and dredge still has a 56% winrate. That is ridicolous

    Much like my view of Probe, I find it ironic that a card which has been legal in Modern for nearly the entirety of the existence of the format, is suddenly broken. But nobody seems to address that the reason why it's "broken" is specifically due to new printings that abuse free, uncounterable graveyard abilities.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Sylvan Library seems like an incredibly obnoxious card that will only help degenerate decks looking for specific cards. I could imagine fair decks couldn't afford the life loss, but something like Amulet Titan or Valakut decks would LOVE it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from racerxen »
    but seeing the locals last night changed my mtgo hive mind sentiments a bit.

    Playing Commander with those same locals and randoms and friends will do wonders for your overall enjoyment of Magic, IMO. Whereas competitive Modern will have the opposite effect, as you seem to recognize as well!
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from MrTzoulis »
    I expected that you, of all people, would enjoy a UR deck, with high velocity, a strong Plan A that's difficult to disrupt, that when it is interacted with, can fall back to good Plan B and a mediocre Plan C. A deck that out of the sideboard can morph into a great Blood Moon deck, but can also interact with it's opponents plans.
    I do not enjoy the linear play lines it promotes with any of its main game plans. I wish I could discuss this (and several other things you mention) further, but I don't need more infractions. Luckily I have enough redundant pieces and staples to have it and GDS fully sleeved up at any point, but I generally choose to enjoy a deck that plays with my opponent, rather than at them. I enjoy Phoenix about as much as I enjoyed the (very brief) stint I had with Storm.
    Posted in: Modern
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