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Tired of them compromising what they reprint because they see it as primarily for draft with premium price and small print runs. They are trying to do multiple things with opposing objectives which is hurting everyone.
If it's primarily for draft then make it larger print runs and not so expensive.
If it's premium priced product to get in demand cards into the market and promote different formats then concentrate on cards those formats need like Inkmoth Nexus and Jitte which have little chance of being seen in draft.
I believe we will see a new M15 forward format at some point. The new border/holo were to combat forgeries and give some confidence in the market. Whether it is soon enough for that format to be implemented I don't know.
They also need to do something for confidence in the value of cards now that standard only lasts 18 months max.
So that would lead to Modern being replaced by two formats - no reserve list extended (as a way to tap into the 'Legacy' market via premium product) and M15 forward.
I'll be surprised if we don't see at least two out of Craterhoof Behemoth, Glimpse of Nature and Natural Order for Elves. Craterhoof is surely one of the two green Legendaries, though Elderscale Wurm might show up. Heritage Druid only has one printing, won't surprise me to see that even though it's as good in Modern as Legacy.
I hate to be that guy, but I feel the need to point out to everyone complaining about investing that Wizards has repeatedly said they don't care about the secondary market.
Which absolutely makes sense with their stance on reprinting Goyf.
Understand and agree you are right.
But they shouldn't police the eternal ban list with a consideration for selling new sets. It's very hard to see past them pushing Eldrazi as not being a consideration giving the extremely poor case they make on the announcement for Twins banning (full disclosure - I don't own or play Twin).
The expeditions are just for extra bling. They are not reprints in the normal sense of the term. Many of us are heavily angry and disappointed over wizards continual refusal to reprint over priced cards in any significant way but we have very little power to influence their decision making process. Even if it would be in there best interest to sell products that contain high value reprints they do it in a very limited fashion to make it feel special to some people even if the bulk of us know it's just a long term marketing plan. Just imagine the hype behind modern masters 3.
There are at least 50 cards that need reprints in modern to lower their prices. Basically just modern masters done correctly, with a regular price point, sold everywhere to avoid re-selling of sealed products, hoarding, and price gouging. Enjoy whatever you can get. If there is a reprint in either of these sets you will get one per set unless the reprints are part of a cycle. That has been the limit of their reprint rate. Liliana of the Veil could be back to make you sacrifice an eldrazi.
You're assuming that WOTCs interests align with your interests of drastically lowering card prices. You are wrong. They do not want to drastically lower card prices. They want to increase availability of cards while keeping demand for cards high. If demand is always high, people will keep buying packs and playing the game.
As for Liliana in BFZ, it doesn't fit the story at all. We are in a new world of Magic where story comes first and gameplay comes second. A Planeswalker will not show up unless it fits the story, and the card they print will fit that story. It is unlikely we will see LotV in a Standard set again because they will want to tailor her card to the story they are telling.
We know a version of Lilianna is in the Zendikar story because at the Origins reveal it was stated these five walkers were included because they are the featured characters in the upcoming series.
Doesn't mean it will be LotV but we know that LotV was strongly considered for M15 and dropped not because she was too strong but because they didn't want to put counters in for her.
I agree totally about Wizards reprint policy. They want $100 rares and mythics so they can keep prices high on Modern Masters. Anyone who wants to stand against this refuse to buy any Modern Masters. I was looking forward to a new MM for ages, but I haven't spent a dime on it because we've got to a point where Wizards are taking the piss.
On Expeditions if we take what MaRo said at PAX at face value there will be around 2 per case. I suspect :
i) to someone like SCG who crack cases to sell as singles lands (Expeditions and full art basics and full art basic foils) will be worth comfortably over half the case cost (they pay around $430);
ii) prices out of the gate for Expeditions will be high but they will fall somewhat over time while boxes are available ( and significant amounts of product are available for up to years after a set rotates these days);
iii) the above plus the fact so much product will be opened chasing the above will cause a significant price drop in all other singles in the set some time not too long after release.
Wizards are sailing pretty close to jumping the shark and harming the hobby IMO.
I think I might sell my car and a kidney on the black market to be able to fund my paper-drug-crazed spending on boxes.
lol.. yea I think its going to take me a decade to collect all of these.... gorgeous art, foil never the less... just wow. SMH I suppose ill make a run at limited and maybe get lucky once, twice? this set... is $2500 a decent ballpark on this?
Based on exactly what Maro said we will see 1.67 times as many of these total than foil Mythics, or each individual card will be the same rarity as any individual foil Mythic. So we're looking at around 2 of the 25 per case. So 12 cases is approx one set.
These are going to be rare and expensive, but not quite as much as some folks are projecting, especially the less desirable ones.
As an aside is it just me that hates the frame on these ? Why waste full art space with that naff frame ?
I have no doubt Kytheon will see play sooner or (probably) later. Wizards are pushing more diversity and enabler cards - for instance at some point there will be a white weenie deck and Kytheon will be in it. Long term I actually like Kytheon the best.
Split feelings about this among the players in my LGS. In the past I've preferred to use regular foils over promos. For some folk things have changed now that there are 10 or more promos per set, meaning they are rarer and of course guaranteed to be first appearances of the cards.
Does the little date text on the card work for you or does it put you off ?
[quote from="unnklefunkle »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/new-card-discussion/599787-megamorph-what-went-wrong?comment=58"]
1) While certainly some people are saying the +1/+1 counter is irrelevant in gameplay, others are saying that the +1/+1 counter is tacked on. When speaking solely about mechanics design, it can't be denied that megamorph is a strictly better morph with its additional, tacked-on +1/+1 counter. Granted, many go as far as predicting bad gameplay to try and drive the point home, but that's just a consequence of their main message.
One thing I haven't seen commented on is the fact that the creatures with 'megamorph' tend to have lower power and toughness for their cost because they have megamorph - after all they have to be balanced with morph.
Wizards even said in an article that this is the case - that creatures have lower p/t because they have megamorph. So what's the point having +1/+1 if it's going to be overcosted unless you use 'megamorph' ? It's a design fail.
vii) excellent exile - create a second exile zone that cards can never be used from;
viii) most excellent exile - create a third exile zone ready for a new mechanic in Magic Origins that allows you to reanimate until the end of turn from the second exile zone;
For two drop I'd consider 'X' x Spirit of the Labyrinth and slot in 'X' number of Geier Reach Sanitarium.
If it's primarily for draft then make it larger print runs and not so expensive.
If it's premium priced product to get in demand cards into the market and promote different formats then concentrate on cards those formats need like Inkmoth Nexus and Jitte which have little chance of being seen in draft.
Craterhoof Behemoth is a key part of Elves ......
They also need to do something for confidence in the value of cards now that standard only lasts 18 months max.
So that would lead to Modern being replaced by two formats - no reserve list extended (as a way to tap into the 'Legacy' market via premium product) and M15 forward.
It started 45 minutes ago. 3 rounds of draft with Modern starting in around 3 hours or so.
http://www.twitch.tv/magic
Understand and agree you are right.
But they shouldn't police the eternal ban list with a consideration for selling new sets. It's very hard to see past them pushing Eldrazi as not being a consideration giving the extremely poor case they make on the announcement for Twins banning (full disclosure - I don't own or play Twin).
We know a version of Lilianna is in the Zendikar story because at the Origins reveal it was stated these five walkers were included because they are the featured characters in the upcoming series.
Doesn't mean it will be LotV but we know that LotV was strongly considered for M15 and dropped not because she was too strong but because they didn't want to put counters in for her.
I agree totally about Wizards reprint policy. They want $100 rares and mythics so they can keep prices high on Modern Masters. Anyone who wants to stand against this refuse to buy any Modern Masters. I was looking forward to a new MM for ages, but I haven't spent a dime on it because we've got to a point where Wizards are taking the piss.
On Expeditions if we take what MaRo said at PAX at face value there will be around 2 per case. I suspect :
i) to someone like SCG who crack cases to sell as singles lands (Expeditions and full art basics and full art basic foils) will be worth comfortably over half the case cost (they pay around $430);
ii) prices out of the gate for Expeditions will be high but they will fall somewhat over time while boxes are available ( and significant amounts of product are available for up to years after a set rotates these days);
iii) the above plus the fact so much product will be opened chasing the above will cause a significant price drop in all other singles in the set some time not too long after release.
Wizards are sailing pretty close to jumping the shark and harming the hobby IMO.
Based on exactly what Maro said we will see 1.67 times as many of these total than foil Mythics, or each individual card will be the same rarity as any individual foil Mythic. So we're looking at around 2 of the 25 per case. So 12 cases is approx one set.
These are going to be rare and expensive, but not quite as much as some folks are projecting, especially the less desirable ones.
As an aside is it just me that hates the frame on these ? Why waste full art space with that naff frame ?
Sorry which forum is the Lantern Control thread in please ?
Does the little date text on the card work for you or does it put you off ?
One thing I haven't seen commented on is the fact that the creatures with 'megamorph' tend to have lower power and toughness for their cost because they have megamorph - after all they have to be balanced with morph.
Wizards even said in an article that this is the case - that creatures have lower p/t because they have megamorph. So what's the point having +1/+1 if it's going to be overcosted unless you use 'megamorph' ? It's a design fail.
Laff. To be fair as I wrote the above it was occurring to me just how much 'megamorph' sounds like it's from Unglued/Unhinged.