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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    https://mises.org/library/are-diamonds-really-forever -De Beers diamond monopoly wasn't a natural monopoly.


    Forcing people to do business with others is immoral.

    Rent implies that the government owns your property which it doesnt. Also what if I dont want to live under that legal system?

    In an anarchist social order, we would have private arbitrators and defense agencies.
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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    Monopolies- Give me 1 example of a natural monopoly(a monopoly that occured without government intervention) that has occured in the history of the industrialized world.

    Hate the Poor- welfare is bad for the poor, it incentivizes laziness, minimum wage is bad for the poor as it creates unemployment and increase prices on goods, trade restrictions are bad for the poor as they increase prices on goods, child labor laws and maximum working hours per week regulations are bad for the poor as they decrease the amount of money that can be made by the poor, There are many more examples but that's enough for now

    Taxation- it is theft, if I steal from you to give to the poor I am a thieve, the government does the same so shouldn't they be theives as well, taxation funds the government which is inefficient with the money,

    Anarchy- yes it probably works, no you probably dont need the government to have a functioning legal system, you probably think Im crazy but I can probably answer all of your questions

    Industrial Era- brought great wealth and prosperity to poor, middle class, everyone...

    Discrimination- forcing me to serve someone who I dont want to serve sounds a lot like slavery if you ask me...

    Thats all for now
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Australia doesnt have harsh winters and short summers so you arent seeing the big picture.

    Also your first point doesnt make sense because by following your logic one group has the same average IQ as any other group because according to you all average iqs must be 100.
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Just because one has the intelligence of a child doesnt mean they have the social skills or experience of a child. Intelligence isnt everything... Bottom line is that humans live in very different places, and evolutionarily, different environments lead to different outcomes.
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Here is the problem with your reasoning. In countries with higher average IQs, IQs that are near 60 are very unlikely, so when they do occur there are other problems that usually occur along with the low IQ, giving you the impression those other problems are a symptom of the low IQ, when they are the effect of another genetic problem. Think of it as these low average IQs around 70 are like intelligences of young people(probably around 12 yrs to give you some perspective) in places with higher average IQs.

    The research finds that Northeast Asian countries have the highest average IQs around a 106, then Northern European countries at 100, then Southern European countries at 90-100, then most latin american countries and middle eastern and Northern African countries at 80-90, and lastly Non-Northern African countries ranging from about 60-80. You see a pattern here? The regions farther from the equator seem to have higher averages, this leads people to believe the disparities in IQ have to do with colder climates requiring higher intelligence. I could continue writing but you'd be better off listening to this video about IQ differences between regions- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPsXYo7gpc
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    @BlinkingSpirit there are differences in IQ/Intelligence between regions of the world. And there is sufficient evidence to conclude that the differences are much more genetic than they are environmental. Watch Stefan Molyneux's videos on the topic for more info. Also here is a website of IQs by country- https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country#
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    DONALD TRUMP 2016
    Hillary is a liar, a psychopath, as corrupt as politicians get, and will escalate conflict with Russia, which is a nuclear power. Hillary wants to bring in 3rd world immigrants from countries with average IQs in the 80s. These immigrants are coming for welfare that is payed by your taxes, they are increasing crime rates both property and VIOLENT crime, they are voting for left-wing, big government policies that will ruin the economy. Hillary wants to continue involving America in the conflicts in Syria(she wants a no-fly zone there),she is pro-war, she has voted for every military conflict that the united states has taken part that she could have voted for. Do you want to get in a nuclear war with Russia? She has defended a child-rapist and laughed at it and has attacked and silenced those who accused her husband of rape. She doesnt care about the American people, she will say anything to get elected and has changed her mind on numerous issues.
    Trump on the other hand may not be perfect, but he has recieved 0 donations from special interest groups, will limit immigration, will cut your taxes, will get along with Russia, and is a more limited government candidate. If you are not convinced I reccomend you watch Stefan Molyneux's YouTube videos on the topic. The left is silencing criticism with political correctness, it is time to recieve the truth.
    Make America Great Again, vote for Trump
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  • posted a message on [RETIRED THREAD][Sliver Queen]: Superfriends (Tokens and Control)
    Quote from TheShrike4 »
    Fiddler, are you saying Mystic Barrier is good in this deck? I'm not sure I understand what your post is getting at.

    I have ~6 board wipes in my deck currently (considering adding more), so the board is usually empty enough to pick off individual threats especially if I get to focus on only one opponent with Mystic Barrier on the field.

    By the way, here is my current list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-09-16-super-friends-20/

    I am currently testing Stormtide Leviathan , it seems like a fun finisher, that has the added bonus of protecting the planeswalkers.

    In general, I run creatures because some, like Sire of Stagnation and Narset, Enlightened Master offer excellent value, while others offer other utility / have cool or splashy effects. I tried to pick creatures that are pretty resilient, or make an impact quickly. Trav, have you ever considered bringing creatures back into the deck?

    I have no time-walk effects because they are all in my Maelstrom Wanderer deck, which is my other favorite. I will consider adding them in eventually.

    Lastly, something I am really wondering about is how to build the best mana-base possible without the OG duals.

    Let me know what you think!


    If you're running splashy creatures, you should consider Nahiri. +2 is pseudo card advantage, -2 is solid removal, and ultimate is great with splashy creatures and can be activated right off the bat with Doubling Season in play.
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  • posted a message on [RETIRED THREAD][Sliver Queen]: Superfriends (Tokens and Control)
    Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast
    Kaya, Ghost Assassin

    Do any of these two look playable?
    Daretti is repeatable removal at a low cost of 3, with an ult that can potentially get you 3wurmcoils or any other OP artifacts people are playing. Definitely playable if you ask me...

    Kaya -2 is a net 2 card advantage, that can be activated twice before having to 0, that's 4 cards...

    New Nissa seems okay dont really know about her.. Her ultimate is good with fetches and Crucible of worlds, her -3 is a bit loyalty intensive but is pretty good, +1 is decent protection,

    New Chandra is great, definitely playable


    Overall lots of planeswalkers with potential being released, the deck's going to keep getting better for a while, but it needs more planeswalker synergy type cards before it can really take off.
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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    Most libertarians believe that taxation should be used to fund whatever protects our rights. This includes law enforcement, courts, and the military. Some libertarians believe in anarcho-capitalism.

    If there was no taxation, would your money be going to the exact places that the taxation was sending it in the exact amounts? Not for most people, so taxation is theft.

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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    Quote from Jusstice »
    Quote from MTGTCG »
    Jusstice, the private traffic law enforcement officers would have to operate under the rules set by the owners of the roads, otherwise, theyd be kicked out.


    Ok, because you are so confident in the result, let’s appoint you owner of the roads. You hire a squad of enforcement officers. You being very clever, you select people who are 6’0” average, 250lbs and up, with self-defense training and enough equipment to be able to handle any unruly people who decide to use your roads. Then, you give them a set of operating rules that lay out economically efficient road use. The Free Market being God and everything, you lay out rules that deliver maximum profit for you.

    But then one day, your enforcement officers tell the guy at the toll booth to take a hike, they put in their own guy. Then, they insist on cash payments from motorists and then distribute them among themselves. When you find out about this, you go down there to tell all of your enforcement people that they are fired. To what I’m sure would be your profound surprise, these enormous men who you’ve armed to the teeth calmly fold their arms and tell you to shove it.

    So, you show up the next day with a registered deed of ownership of the roads, and tell them that they have to respect your authoriteh. Maybe they treat you nice and tear up the piece of paper, maybe they break your knees. Meanwhile, they continue to collect whatever they want from the people using the roads.

    So you do what? Call the police? How very circular. Except now, the police department can’t respond right away to this private, non-emergency situation. They are busy fighting in the streets with dozens of these thug groups who took over the roads, bridges, servers, and other infrastructure. But they let you know they’re sorry about this road ownership business venture not going your way, you now being sued by dozens of drivers that your thugs harassed on top of not getting any tolls for your roads. But to reassure you, they offer you a job fighting off street thugs. You can start as soon as they get the vest and pistol back from the last cop that got shot.


    In all honesty, nothing is stopping legitimate government police forces from doing this sort of thing either. In fact, a lot of police departments in the US and the world over practice some sort of extortion on citizens. The point is, there is an immense benefit of public oversight when police powers (and many, many, many other societal functions) are legitimized by government control, rather than left up to profit seeking private individuals.


    Quote from MTGTCG »
    A monopoly is nearly impossible in a free market society. Corner cases are the reason most libertarians advocate for some amount of government to exist.


    Ok, I can agree with you that there are some “corner cases” where the free market is a disaster. There are…

    As above, enforcement.

    Also as mentioned, natural monopolies. Same example with the roads that I detailed the economics of a few posts up. This happens when there are high barriers to entry, limited availability of assets (roads), or basically any other situation where there are high enough economies of scale. Everybody gets gouged.

    Monopolies by coercion, collusion, or other artificial, anti-competitive business practices. Everybody gets gouged.

    Externalities. Twitter version, I decide to raise poultry and dump all their waste into the public river next to my property. Everyone who used that water for irrigation and drinking now gets sick, dies. Sad!

    Information Asymmetry. I Google how to write a search algorithm, Google redirects me to search strategies for Pokemon because they would rather me play their game than compete with their search algorithm. I go to my local law school’s library to research the elements of an ineffectiveness of counsel claim, and I’m not admitted to the library unless I present my bar membership card.

    Collections costs. I’m employed in delivering waste disposal services, where every morning I pick up trash left at the front of every house. People are supposed to pay me for this, but I actually spend more time going door to door asking for my weekly $5 than I do actually collecting trash. I double my prices, people refuse to pay.

    Other transaction costs (bargaining cost, illiquidity, etc). I get appendicitis. An appendectomy costs $15k-$20k. I collect weekly for my trash disposal services, and I get around $1200/wk. I tell the doctor I will have enough money to pay after about 3 months. The doctor tells me that he won’t put it on a tab, because recovery time from the operation, so on, and he hears that it’s really hard for trash collectors to get paid in Libertarian society. I try to cut out my appendix myself, get tetanus and die. Sad.

    …. I mean, these are all things that any college student pursuing a bachelor’s in Economics will learn about in great detail, very early on. Much less what the actual cutting edge Economics theory at the post graduate level will show. The doctrine of an efficient free market doesn’t hold up at all past 101 level Economics. So, at what point is that doctrine the exception rather than the rule? Even for those who aren’t students of Economics, it seems like even a bare review of history has taught everyone these lessons. Except of course for the Libertarians.

    If you want to help the poor in a libertarian society, you can do so, but forcing others to do so is theft.


    If you view everything a government does as coercion, then you’re doing nothing more than painting yourself into that box. Nothing intrinsically defines that as theft.

    By a different view, citizens have plead their hearts out over all eras of civilization for an agreement where everyone gets together, pools their resources, and solves all of the problems like the ones above. Then by a great act of administrative wisdom, some very insightful statesmen created a constitutional republic that authorized a legislature of elected representatives to undertake acts to provide for the common welfare of their constituencies.

    Your view is a hollow mental exercise. The other view is a matter of historical fact.

    Quote from magickware99 »
    Quote from Jusstice »

    How do you make verify that everyone is “free to pursue their own goals?


    How would you?

    In fact, what does it mean to decide that we value human lives and how do we enforce this?


    Well, we might value cost-free education so our lives are more meaningful. We might value public health care so that people can stop dying of preventable diseases, or police oversight, or gun control laws that stop people from getting killed. Really, it’s up to everyone to define for themselves what constitutes meaningful human life, the pursuit of life goals, so on, and put those values into practice through the governance process.

    My point, the definition of most people in the US bears a much closer resemblance to the platform of a major party than it does to the Libertarian idea that eliminating government is an infallible principle that has no logical limitations. The fact that one is presented as a pragmatic agenda and the other as an infallible principle of dogma has no bearing. These values actually are subjectively defined. We would rather govern ourselves by observable facts rather than abstract principles. Evidence being, we have the two major parties and not Libertarianism.



    For your first point, the officers that you hire can not take over what you own. That is theft, which is a violation of the law. If these officers resist the owner's word, force may be initiated upon them by the owner or by an entity the owner may hire. There will not be a shortage of police, why?, because the demand for police will cause their to be enough police to meet the demand, it's economics.

    Your second example of possible failure of libertarian society is not limited to libertarian societies, your example can happen anywhere the world where there is a river. This action described in your example would be punished in a libertarian society just as it would in any other society.

    Your third example can happen today as well.

    Your fourth example has a person that decides to break a previously agreed upon contract by increasing the price of his labor. The customers have the right not to pay what they didnt agree upon.

    Your fifth example could be avoided if the person had set up an insurance plan, had chosen a medical centre that allowed payment overtime, or by the genorosity of a centre to do the operation for a lower cost. Also not everything is perfect in a libertarian society, there will be deaths.

    Taxation is the government taking your money with force in order to use it to their desire. How is this not theft?
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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    Jusstice, the private traffic law enforcement officers would have to operate under the rules set by the owners of the roads, otherwise, theyd be kicked out.

    A monopoly is nearly impossible in a free market society. Corner cases are the reason most libertarians advocate for some amount of government to exist.
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    If you want to help the poor in a libertarian society, you can do so, but forcing others to do so is theft.


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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    @Stairc, Roads will be privatized, the entity who owns these roads will be able to install traffic lights.

    @Dox, public schools would be replaced with private schools. We don't need government provided healthcare, privatized health care does the job even better.

    @Tiax, libertarianism will help the poor, but only if they are willing and able to work. global warming is a lie. you could argue that those who want to discriminate are being discriminated against in favor of those who don't want their feelings hurt.




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  • posted a message on libertarianism.
    What are your thoughts on it?

    helpful links:

    What is Libertarianism?:
    https://mises.org/library/what-libertarianism
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

    What about Monopolies?:
    https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrHFZDIAl8

    What about the Poor?
    https://mises.org/library/poor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLg4wTKBak
    -Minimum Wage
    https://mises.org/library/crippling-nature-minimum-wage-laws
    https://mises.org/library/mythology-minimum-wage
    https://mises.org/library/welfare-minimum-wages-and-unemployment
    -Welfare State
    https://fee.org/articles/12-reasons-to-oppose-the-welfare-state/
    https://mises.org/library/welfare-welfare-state

    What about the problems of the Industrial Revolution?
    https://mises.org/library/truth-about-robber-barons
    https://fee.org/articles/a-myth-shattered-mises-hayek-and-the-industrial-revolution/
    https://fee.org/articles/the-industrial-revolution-working-class-poverty-or-prosperity/

    What about the Environment?:
    https://mises.org/library/austrian-theory-environmental-economics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmds8R7lyw

    Isolationism you say? But what about World War 2?:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2009/09/laurence-m-vance/rethinking-the-good-war/

    What's so bad about our government?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUS1m5MSt9k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhSqzANQvbk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JYL5VUe5NQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2_dPLBlvDI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKANfuq_92U
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmCn2vP-DEo

    AnarchoCapitalism
    -How would an AnarchoCapitalist society resolve legal disputes?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khRkBEdSDDo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmMpgVNc6Y
    -How would an AnarchoCapitalist society defend itself from invaders?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1b7jKYNTE
    https://christophercantwell.com/2014/05/02/anarcho-capitalist-society-repel-invasion/
    http://lionsofliberty.com/2012/10/10/intro-to-ancap-private-defense-pt-2-military-defense/

    What are the best books to read about libertarianism?
    https://mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto (it's free)
    https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Political-Authority-Examination-Coerce/dp/1137281650/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=
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  • posted a message on Donald Trump's Presidency
    Hey, I recently came across this video which talks about many of the reasons why I support Mr. Trump. If you are skeptical of Mr.Trump, I suggest you watch this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nlPdUafTwAg .
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