Hey there, looking to give this deck a shot. Was wondering why there's such a love for Leyline of the Void in the sideboard? Every other midrange deck seems to run other graveyard hate like Nihil Spellbomb or Surgical Extraction. Is Leyline that good?
Now that it's been out for a while, what's everyone's verdict on Damping Sphere? Personally I'm playing 2 alongside 3 Fulminator Mage and love it. Even if it hinders casting BBE on time, it slows down Tron and Storm enough that it usually gives you the speed you need to win.
Has Anger of the Gods pulled its weight for anyone? Everytime I test it I feel like it's only okay, and doesn't even do a job of being graveyard hate at all.
Are there any other cards we're considering for the deck so far? I scanned through and nothing looks amazingly strong for the deck besides Dampening Sphere.
What's the current consensus on Dampening sphere? Seems like it only bothers Tron, Eldrazi and Storm. It may be too narrow but turn-2 Tron hate seems very powerful.
Got top 4 in a local event tonight, lost to Tron though after some really unlucky draws so I'm not too dissatisfied. Jund just feels absolutely nuts right now, I felt good in every single matchup. I'm absolutely on board the 24 lands with a lower curve idea, especially pre-board.
Could someone who's used Hazoret share their thoughts on her? Currently I have a 1 of Huntmaster in the side as a value-drop for the mirror, as well as good utility against any non-combo matchup. But a lot of people seem to be advocating Hazoret as the value 4-drop. I want to hear someones thoughts, because when I originally tested her I didn't like her too much, and tended to find Thrun a bit better.
Decided against cutting Fulminators, but I've gone down from 4 to 3. I've also taken suggestions and am going to roll with this for an upcoming big event:
Maindeck seems to be the closest thing to stock I can find. I think the only discrepancy is if you want to run 25 lands you cut Terminate for a 2nd Treetop Village.
The biggest silly idea is Huntmaster. I wanted to have at least 6 cards to bring in for the mirror (which I expect to see a ton of), and have fallen out of favor of bringing Fulminators in that situation. There were a couple ideas, such as Tireless Tracker and Hazoret, but those felt too narrow. Huntmaster works as a good 4-drop, but is also great against aggro and burn decks. He was my go-to 4 drop before BBE and helps solidify a lot of sideboard plans, so why not include him?
I took out a Grafdigger's cage for an Anger of the Gods. I think it helps cover the current meta while also acting as quasi-graveyard hate. The only current graveyard deck to be scared of IMO is B/R Hollow, which is already a bad matchup, and Anger already helps a bit with it.
Thrun is, and has been for a long time, a pet card of mine. I really despise counter spells. Him helping against the mirror is just gravy
I think going to 3x Fulminators is really reasonable, Titanshift is poorly positioned, and quite a bit of aggro is springing up which helps fight off Tron.
Also, Pierson ran zero grave hate. Honestly, while he deserved his top 8 and people don't just accidentally stumble to a top 8 in huge tournaments like that, I think he probably also hit the pairings lottery. It's better to look at all the decks that place, not just 1 or 2 lists that validate our biases.
I haven't missed Thrun. My theory is that the average blue player in modern just isn't good, because my blue matchup win percentage has really skyrocketed with the wake of the unbanning.
I'm still gonna give it a shot with 1 Grafdigger's, 1 Anger. With the 3 Scooze in the main I think I'll do alright. Then again that's what testing is for.
I'll totally concede Thrun is a personal choice, but I really want a card for grindy matchups and don't care for Hazoret, so I'm trying it out,
Decided against cutting Fulminators, but I've gone down from 4 to 3. I've also taken suggestions and am going to roll with this for an upcoming big event:
Maindeck seems to be the closest thing to stock I can find. I think the only discrepancy is if you want to run 25 lands you cut Terminate for a 2nd Treetop Village.
The biggest silly idea is Huntmaster. I wanted to have at least 6 cards to bring in for the mirror (which I expect to see a ton of), and have fallen out of favor of bringing Fulminators in that situation. There were a couple ideas, such as Tireless Tracker and Hazoret, but those felt too narrow. Huntmaster works as a good 4-drop, but is also great against aggro and burn decks. He was my go-to 4 drop before BBE and helps solidify a lot of sideboard plans, so why not include him?
I took out a Grafdigger's cage for an Anger of the Gods. I think it helps cover the current meta while also acting as quasi-graveyard hate. The only current graveyard deck to be scared of IMO is B/R Hollow, which is already a bad matchup, and Anger already helps a bit with it.
Thrun is, and has been for a long time, a pet card of mine. I really despise counter spells. Him helping against the mirror is just gravy
Are you sold on that second basic Forest? How are you liking it?
I am definitely more sold on it compared to a mountain. I don't think I would want a mountain over it, its such an incredibly bad lands to have in your opener. And our manabase is already in a tough sopt concerning openers sometimes. Forest is also quite bad, but not that bad at least. FoR is not what I saw much of lately, but BM continues to be a thing. Therefore I am sticking with 2 Forests right now.
On Golgari Charm vs. Maelstrom Pulse:
Charm has been an allstar for me. Right before I typed out this response I blew out a Mardu Pyromancer player on Cockatrice two games in a row (after losing the first) by completely wiping his board with a Charm. I just really like it. It has a lot of applications. With that said, your list seems pretty soft to Elspeth's and their kin. Having two Pulses in the 75 is like a security blanket for me.
I do like Charm also. I am in general very hesitant about playing charms, since I do think the only thing they do is providing flexibility, but executing the actual stuff very poorly. Golgari Charm is the best Charm we have and the only one I would consider really. And right now it solves the BM/Sanctity/Bogles matchup while still being applicable against Affinity/Small creature decks.
How has the Engineered Explosives been working out for you? I wish I hadn't gotten rid of my two... that card seems really good right now and I don't have any. I probably should have bought one instead of the masterpiece Hazoret.
Its great. I have a decent amount of bogles in my meta right now, and I haven't lost a match to it because of the access to EE.
I haven’t played much against the humans deck. But I would guess that we side out two Lotv and TSes and bring in sweepers, spot removal and potentially more scoozes if they are in our board. Early confidant seems fine if the board is clear or you need more removal.
My plan is based on Reid Duke's statement about the matchup: "Postboard I want access to every card in my 75 that kills a creature".
Oddly we have the same list other then i have 4 bolts 2 push. How are you liking the Twilight mire? i replaced my mountain with a twilight mire and have yet to ever use it so was wondering about your opinion.
Twilight Mire is probably up in the top 3 of my favourite lands in Jund as a whole. I love as it kinda adds 1,5 to the black sources, which makes, when running 18 black sources, double black on turn 3 even more likely. Also getting access to double green pretty easily is very convenient with Ooze and Finks. The latter sees more play lately obviously.
Also, Flyer, this is basically Joesesph Hererra's deck from the Classic, no? I like that you chose to shave that dreadbore for the fatal push. If you shaved 1x K Command for a 2nd Decay this would basically be his list.
How would you feel about making one of those spell-bombs into a scavenging ooze?
Are you down on 1x Ancient Grudge because Affinity is down or your meta?
I wonder if a sideboard should look like this in an open meta
Jadine, now that I think of it, played that Scooze in the side as her third sideboard graveyard hate. This would help shore up some of the issues of not wanting to lose Scooze's power for matchups he's good, plus it'll see more play in general than just against graveyard decks.
I'd really like to somehow squeeze in a Hazoret, but I dunno.
Its still based on EctoMarks approach, I only made the following changes maindeck: -1 Bolt, +1 Push, -1 Pulse, +1 Decay. Its kinda a different direction where I am coming from, but given that with my changes I am also in the realm of Hererra's list it makes me feel I am in between those 2 approaches.
I would love a third Ooze, haven't found the space for it yet. However, personally I would probably shave the Cage for it, as Hollow One seems to be absent in my meta. In an open meta cutting Spellbomb for the third Ooze is a consideration though.
On Grudge, indeed Affinity is very low at my local meta. But I even think that for an open meta you can get away with 1 copy only, for Affinity's sake at least. I basically replaced the second one with the Golgari Charm, which is still okay against Affinity. Matchups which get worse would be Lantern and this janky Kark Clan Ironworks deck. Don't know if this is relevant, but it had a showing in the last GP, so you might expect it in the upcoming events.
That sideboard looks solid to me. Personally I am not sure about the Ooze and the second Grudge like mentioned. But I think its fine.
I think I'm going to begin testing a list with no Fulminator in the side. I've look over it all and it seems the only matchups where Fulminator pulls actual work compared to other options are Tron, Valakut, and 5c Death Shadow. The first two are already our worst matchups, and the latter I feel like we can sideboard in better options.
Just seems like an unnecessary concession of 3/4 sideboard slots to boost maybe 5% points in our worst matchups. The GP 2nd place list has help reafirm this idea to me.
Fulminator pulls its weight in UWx Control type of matchups as well. Given that Jace is basically absent atm, this factor might not be that relevant though.
A fair point, but again I feel like by then we could just bring in better options. By the time they start Colonading I feel the game is either already lost or in a top deck war, wherein I'd rather hit a specific sideboard card (Thrun, Hazoret, ect.) Instead of a Fulminator.
Again, I could be wrong in this line of thinking, but I definitely think it's worth exploring
I think I'm going to begin testing a list with no Fulminator in the side. I've look over it all and it seems the only matchups where Fulminator pulls actual work compared to other options are Tron, Valakut, and 5c Death Shadow. The first two are already our worst matchups, and the latter I feel like we can sideboard in better options.
Just seems like an unnecessary concession of 3/4 sideboard slots to boost maybe 5% points in our worst matchups. The GP 2nd place list has help reafirm this idea to me.
Do any of you have the deck foiled out? Or mixed foils? I've currently got scattered foils here and there due to card availability. I'dd say about 70% of the deck is unfoiled, and I'm debating whether I should downgrade the foils or slowly start upgrading the deck. Jund is the only deck I really like playing, and I've had it for a couple years now. But some of the foils are very expensive, and I don't know if there's any merit for it outside of some possible "intimidation" factor.
So I've been relentlessly testing for the last few days, after having taken suggestions from from various forum posts and players alike. Currently I feel like the power level of this deck is just borderline unfair. I feel strong in nearly every matchup, and think we have tools to deal with almost anything now, especially with BBE rounding out our curve perfectly. I believe my current main deck is near identical to a list that's been making the rounds in here, but this is what I'm currently running:
I'm still gonna give it a shot with 1 Grafdigger's, 1 Anger. With the 3 Scooze in the main I think I'll do alright. Then again that's what testing is for.
I'll totally concede Thrun is a personal choice, but I really want a card for grindy matchups and don't care for Hazoret, so I'm trying it out,
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Scavenging Ooze
These Things
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Fatal Push
1 Terminate
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Abrupt Decay
Whatever This Is
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Places
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Forest
2 Overgrown Tomb
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Treetop Village
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Twilight Mire
1 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Fulminator Mage
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Collective Brutality
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Anger of the Gods
Just some notes on some decisions:
A fair point, but again I feel like by then we could just bring in better options. By the time they start Colonading I feel the game is either already lost or in a top deck war, wherein I'd rather hit a specific sideboard card (Thrun, Hazoret, ect.) Instead of a Fulminator.
Again, I could be wrong in this line of thinking, but I definitely think it's worth exploring
Just seems like an unnecessary concession of 3/4 sideboard slots to boost maybe 5% points in our worst matchups. The GP 2nd place list has help reafirm this idea to me.
4 Dark Confidant
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Bloodbraid Elf
Flash Mobs
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Fatal Push
2 Terminate
2 Kolaghan's Command
Wet Blankets
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
2 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Liliana of the Veil
Habit Inducers
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
3 Bloodstained Mire
1 Forest
2 Overgrown Tomb
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Twilight Mire
1 Treetop Village
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Grafdigger's Cage
4 Fulminator Mage
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Collective Brutality
1 Thoughtseize
Oh, and I run Steve Argyle BBE's because the others either look like a leathery grandma or a grumpy hippy.