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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from GotSK »
    Quote from gkourou »
    Fatal push in Jund would surely turn the matchup A LOT in jund's favour now. This could be a nice argument to bring Twin back.

    Even then, I don't think blue mages should be losing sleep for it. There are the paths @idSurge mentioned that such a player can explore.

    I don't really see the argument here considering the metashare and relevance of Jund at the moment.

    The far more interesting question in my opinion would be the sort of policing twin would be able to do at the moment. I might very well be wrong with this since I never played twin seriously outside testing, but I don't see it having any game vs. humans. I don't see it do much vs Bridgevine or KCI. No clue about UW/Jeskai. But it might very well cannibalize the blue sector again and be yet another punisher for fair strategies. Why should that be risked? If "I hate Tron" is not a sufficient argument for banning Stirrings, "I want to play twin" can not be a sufficient argument for unbanning splinter twin.


    Twin would beat the current KCI, and probably BridgeVine.

    Twin would be a large enough part of the meta that Jund would have a decent match up that it could see play against.

    It would be like the Jace/BBE bubble, but this time the blue deck would stick around at a solid meta %.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    I'm not saying Blue is unplayable, it took nearly 3 years of new cards, and a few targeted unbans, but yes, you can play UW, UWX, UR, and Cryptic, and see success.

    They are still not the same, but yes they are fine options for most of us.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from gkourou »
    Splinter Twin could come back, to be honest, and it could be fine, but why do we care so much?


    Because UR Blue Moon (even a Kiki Version or Breach Version) UWR Bolt/Helix Control, and UW Terminus or Mana Denial, are all different lines of play. The closest (Kiki) is simply a nerfed into the ground version of Twin, too expensive, too fragile, and too slow to really compete at the highest levels of play.

    Now, I've played all 3 as you know, a very high number of times, and Twin is still called for because of the power it has and the ability it has to shape the meta and style of play.

    I'm sure you have experienced this yourself. I know cfusionpm has. People are lost when facing a deck that can delay them, and then win (Breach). There have been a number of years now, many players are new, they have not actually experienced facing Twin.

    I want it back because its no more degenerate than anything else going on in Modern.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [Primer] Blue Moon: UR Blood Moon/Shackles Control
    I'm quite liking the build I'm on now. Its not optimal I'm sure, but its feeling pretty good against the field, even beat Tron the other day, what a miracle.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Yeah thats how I remember it. Its also the deck type that stomps on my face now as Blue Moon. I have no reason to believe it wouldnt continue to do so against Twin.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from idSurge »
    Harsh fact, most people who hate Twin, didnt even grind in that era.

    Or were playing some linear deck that actively chose to ignore the opponent, and thus got wrecked by the combo (though statistically, probably not as often as they remember). Which, btw, I can't tell you how many times I got stomped by BGx and other non-Twin Uxx decks. Turns out that heavy interaction, or even basic interaction backed by a quick clock is good against it? Who knew? How Suspicious...

    I agree it's annoying when Twin revisionists misremember or misrepresent Twin's performance in 2015. But it's just as annoying when Twin defenders do the same. For instance, people need to stop pretending that BGx was a Twin predator. That matchup was proven to be 50/50. Similarly, let's not pretend Twin wasn't dominant at the PT and GP level. It had more T8s that year (18.75% off the top of my head) than any deck since then by 50% of the next highest deck's GP/PT T8 share (excluding the outrageous Eldrazi situation).


    Correct me if I'm wrong KTK, but wasnt the only deck with a favourable % against Twin, UR Delver? GDS fills the same role.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Yeah especially since we now have a real Tempo deck (GDS)...I would be quite comfortable saying Twin would have a real predator in the meta against it.

    'But but you could just put Twin in GDS!!' Weird
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    The more I think on it, the more I feel there will simply never be a need for a new 'non-rotation' format in the line of Legacy or Modern. Things like Brawl? Sure. Go nuts, but as you you noted set your line in the sand at whatever block you want, its still going to be a warped format because Standard sucks.

    'Modern Design cannot be slaved to the past' simply means they will continue down this line of pushing creatures, and based on the context of the 3 questions posed to Maro, those creatures will often be Humans. He completely missed the point that by them continuing to push Humans, they are pushing OUT decks like Merfolk.

    Kind of interesting actually how bad he missed that.

    Either way, Modern will remain the non-RL format of choice, for people who want to do more than cast creatures, and play 'normal' constructed Magic.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Ignoring the fact that other top decks at the time (Burn, Bogles, and especially Infect) were all great decks to side in Spellskite for, Infect was even running counter hate for Spellskite.

    Harsh fact, most people who hate Twin, didnt even grind in that era.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    100% Teferi does more for the decks it has empowered, than anything other PW. Jace is in UW Miracles sure, but its a 2/2 Split from what I see, and without Terminus, Jace loses a ton of points there. A lot of UWR players simply dropped Jace (I held on to 1) while Jace is only the UR Blue Moon walker of choice...because Teferi has W in the cost.

    Teferi is crazy strong though, and its ability to be a 1 card engine + win con that does SO MUCH for UWx...I can see the argument its the best walker printed.

    I also came in to note, Tarn's are over $80 now. Prices are nuts at the moment.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from the n00b king »


    Twin wasn't banned on power level. It was banned due to the fact that it lead to way too many feel bad moments and awful play patterns. It was not healthy for the format.


    Thats a hilariously off base statement.

    There are 2 reasons it was banned. One of which is official.

    1. Too much Top 8's at the GP/PT level.
    2. To shake up the format as it was a great deck at dealing with random garbage decks.

    As to Twin increasing the sideboard lotto? No way. It would change the meta, it would shake up MAIN DECK configurations, it would demand interaction, and no, I would not shed a single tear for all the random jank that gets played these days. YOU STILL LOSE TO BLOOD MOON, JACE, REMAND AND SNAP BOLT. Its just a longer game now and you dont get to try again against someone else after turn 4.

    You didnt beat Twin with sideboarding. You beat it by bringing out the other Tier 1 decks at the time.

    As to Maro's quotes, those actually had me sighing in outright disgust. Humans will continue to be pumped up. Forever, it seems.

    Man, so many posts I want to respond to in just this thread, I guess thats what I get for being out of the house tonight lol.

    In the end, whatever. When is the next Pro Tour, as KTK seems to show, maybe we get a do nothing card then instead.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Hollow One is fine...and so is SFM, and Twin. If I have to put up with absolutely filthy draws, then people should have to put up with Turn 4 Twin or a Batterskull swinging in.

    EDIT: Dont mistake me as 'complaining' about Modern. I'm not. The issue is, Nature Turn 3 Tron? Thats garbage. Turn 1/2 with multiple Hollow Ones/Vengevines? garbage. Turn 2 Infect kill? Filth.

    And I love it all, even if I absolutely hate Tron as a deck, I welcome its presence.

    Simply give me back Twin.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from Colt47 »
    However, Maro recently tweeted something that everyone should keep in mind. That concept being that wizards R&D don't want to be shackled to the past. In effect, they are keeping some cards on the ban list because they put limitations on what R&D can do. It's like asking them to print less humans when they are the most prolific race in the multiverse just to keep humans from being too good.


    Link for this?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on "What Deck Should I Play" thread
    They are completely different decks. Humans will be good until they eat a ban, and will always improve over time. Tron, will get you looks from your friends for playing Tron.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    Quote from BlueTronFTW »
    Blue gets to own legacy, this balances it out lol.


    Please, my emotions are already raw...
    Posted in: Modern
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