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  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    You may just be a bit burnt out, not thinking the lines through in a current sense, because you have 'done it so much' already.

    When I go on big binge's of grinding Modern, it eventually becomes rote. I know people love it say Magic is so complicated, but it really isnt. I have winning percentages on Blue Moon under almost every configuration from the last time I was playing 'serious' but when I see the tide turning and decks I have no interest in playing with OR against come to be the top dog? Why continue? I'm in it for the enjoyment, not the grind. When the meta sours, I've got a half dozen other ways to dump time and money.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on "What Deck Should I Play" thread
    Knightfall may be up that alley, though its not really Blue, though you can add some. Oddly the reason I always put it down is because of the lack of Bolt. :p
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from gkourou »
    Also, you can play any deck you like and with some targeted graveyard hate, you are set to do well in any tournament.


    You cannot actually believe this to be true, do you? After this last weekend? Its a demonstrably false statement.

    EDIT: And I call this out, because you are free to have your opinions, you are free to think a 3 deck meta is healthy, and you are free to enjoy a constant churn. I like to see you take say...BG Explore from Standard, and top 8 a GP, but hey if you REALLY believe you can take a Standard deck into Modern and do well, thats great.

    To claim you can play what you want and do well however if you add some 'targeted graveyard hate' is absolutely false.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    I highly doubt that player satisfaction with the format has anything to do with ban timing right now. Nothing will be touched until Horizon's hits. It would take a complete implosion to have it go otherwise dont you think?

    As to the poll numbers, if a 3rd of your most enfranchised customers are not happy with your product, well, I know in my work head's would be rolling over those kinds of numbers.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Ulka »
    Keep discussion on card you'd like to see reprinted or how you think this set will impact modern. This thread is not going to become a state of modern while state is locked. This is the only warning to stay on topic.
    Ulka


    Without context, (aka the State of Modern) discussion is surface level at best. Unlock the other thread if you want more in depth stuff there, and start encouraging people to use the Ignore function. I've got 3 people on my permanent list, and each add increased the value of this site considerably.

    Without an understanding of what Modern is, what suggestions or speculation can even have value?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from spawnofhastur »
    Quote from idSurge »
    Right now, the majority of Modern does not have the same power level of tools, to fit into a paradigm of Xerox vs Prison.


    Really? We've got Phoenix as Xerox and the Whir Prison deck as Prison - while Whir's metashare isn't anywhere near Phoenix's, it's still considered a very good deck and continues to put up results.


    Right. And on a long enough timeline it could gain share. The problem is the Grixis Controls, the GW toolbox, the Delver, the D&T.

    In legacy they are still legit. In Modern their equals do not have legs, at all.

    If nothing else changes there is no way Xerox vs Prison is not the final iteration of the format.

    We just are only part way there, because prison tools are rarer in Standard now.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from tronix »
    Quote from idSurge »

    Death and Taxes. There was an article that was able to shift how I looked at Magic. I'll go look it up again maybe, but essentially, on a long enough timeline, an 'eternal' format will evolve to either Xerox, or Prison/Tax to choke off the Xerox from its resources.

    was it this one? https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/decks-like-deaths-shadow-will-always-become-the-best-deck/

    its an interesting bit of magic theory. though i think its a bit reductive to say that formats always trend towards one or the other. rather id say its about the elements of those types of decks continually showing how they are the most powerful assets in magic (and strategy games in general), because its about efficiency and choices.


    That may be it, there was an OLD OLD mothership article on it as well I believe, but thats a great one.

    Overall, the logical conclusion of a format is that Xerox and Prison continue to gain increased market shares of the metagame.


    Modern's flaw, is that it only has half of the equation, and the space to operate in the margin's (Maverick, Grixis Control, GW Tool Box, Storm) is not able to be capitalized on, as the options those decks have in their Modern form, is missing the appropriate power level of those tools.

    Anyone remember or played when there was a time that people complained about Jund having 'all of its Legacy tools' while decks like UW suffered and did not?

    Right now, the majority of Modern does not have the same power level of tools, to fit into a paradigm of Xerox vs Prison.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Phoenix being more accessible sounds like bad news for anyone who doesn't yet own surgicals.


    Checked on those today, absolutely out of control price's.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from michaelvogler »
    IMO format diversity is my favorite part of Modern. You make a deck and try to use whatever resources you packed to win. It requires a lot of thought in and around the game. It encourages you to focus outside of the game building said deck, and then in matches and games determining how to best use those resources.


    You just described Magic, in a general sense.

    That is not Modern, in a competitive sense.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Since the main thread has been locked (to hide from the truth of my post I am sure) we have to ask ourselves 'if we are open to change in Modern, how does Horizon's do it'.

    We all know (if you have eyes to see) the top few decks in Modern, and they are leagues above the rest of the format. The vaunted 'Modern diversity' is a myth, perpetuated by those who only look at their LGS.

    As such, my list of desired reprints, or cards that would serve as the basis of a somewhat functional reprint.

    I would look to boost the following major archetypes so we can avoid the wackamole ban mania that Modern is defined by.

    1. GWx Fair Creature decks.
    2. BGx and BG Rock.
    3. Death and Taxes.
    4. Reactive Blue.

    I'm not interested in arguments that UW Terminus is actually healthy for the format as it trivializes the choice of what sweepers to use, what decks can be viable, and in a world without the toxicity of the current meta, it is very easy to envision a meta in which UW Terminus is the overlord.

    So lets look at GWx Fair Creature. Modern has a number of decks within this space, all firmly Tier 2 and 3. Decks like GW Voice, Value Town, Knightfall, and Legacy has things like this, in the form of Maverick, Stoneblade, Bant, and GW Toolbox.

    I actually think something like Swords to Plowshares would be fine. Path clearly is not sufficient, and I would like to see some printing that puts a clock out there that makes an issue for Terminus. Teeg isnt good enough.

    From there, look at the banlist, we have the tools to help GW.

    BGx? I would like to see Planar Void and a fixed Deathrite Shaman and Diabolic Edict oh, and Snuff Out.

    Blue Moon, UWR, and so on? I'm of the opinion that if you dont fix the win-con, and make it 'Modern appropriate' that you need to provide free interaction. If FoW is off the table, at the very least we need Daze. We are not at a point where you can improve the Cantrips of the format, clearly, as we already have a Xerox deck that needs NO further help.

    I'd also look at effects like Gush/Foil, but perhaps tweak them a bit. To be honest, I dont see the cards that are seeing play in other formats, which are going to do much here.

    Death and Taxes. There was an article that was able to shift how I looked at Magic. I'll go look it up again maybe, but essentially, on a long enough timeline, an 'eternal' format will evolve to either Xerox, or Prison/Tax to choke off the Xerox from its resources.

    Now, I've lost to DnT already countless times, the decks I want to play (UWR, Blue Moon) are spell based, and Thalia is a beating as it is. That said, we need that to be a strong presence in the meta.

    Between a Swords to Plowshares printing (or something slightly less good) and Containment Priest, and something LIKE Mother of Runes I think we could be getting somewhere.

    Other than that, I dont see a line to correcting the flaws that are literally built into the format at this point, unless you turn to the ban list.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I tried to avoid this thread, I really did. I am literally floored that people are not coming to grips with this, especially after this weekend.

    @ktk: I tried to find you on Twitter, but I suck at searching. Has any deck, in a global sense, had such a weekend as this outside of Eldrazi (aka the most broken this format has ever been)? I struggle to think of any, that over a 'global' weekend in Europe, a GP in the US, AND SCG (which we know plays by a slightly different meta) all had the same trending pattern.

    @Renegade Rallier: You are right. Wink

    @Everyone else: We dont want bans right? We all know Twin never hit these numbers right? We know that taking out the 'best deck' over and over and over, does nothing right?

    We can (and almost certainly Wizards will) wait until Horizons. What equity can they gain by nuking 6+ decks, and leaving us with Stirrings (which WILL) rise up to fill the void if they ban looting? Please people, think through the logical steps.

    What happened when BBE and Jace came off. Did you play then? I did. Fair decks rose up! Did BBE make Jund actually good? lol NO! Did it matter? Absolutely not. Unban's, shaped the meta for a time.

    Lets continue this mental exercise. Is Containment Priest going to do anything? Not on its own! You just delay your own development, and honestly I would probably rather hope and pray to spin that Terminus wheel. Would it help things? Sure, one more tool for the toolbox of Humans, and GWx fair decks (that are literally unplayable if you actually care to take part in the 'winners meta').

    OK, so thats not it. Planar Void Well the cost is right for Modern, and its an enchantment that at least Phoenix struggles against (like Runed Halo that NeoThinker loves to an unhealthy degree on Twitter) so you put that into Jund/Junk/Rock (Rock, personally) and that helps, but as correctly noted there are other paths for Phoenix, and Dredge runs removal for a reason (RIP actually hurts Dredge).

    OK so now we have 2 options, are we getting any help for URx control? You know, the archetype that Wizards tried 3 or 4 times to help out? That is NOT good in the face of these Looting and Stirrings decks?

    Its gotta be Daze or something like it. People dont like FoW, fine, whatever. So lets at least try Daze. Well Phoenix could play Daze. Counterspell? lol dont make me laugh. The only format Counterspell is legal in, in which it sees play, is Pauper.

    So we have 3 old designs, powerful in their own right. Will those be enough? Will those apply enough power to reactive or midrange (and no Phoenix is not midrange what an utterly LAUGHABLE statement) to bring them back up to Phoenix and Dredge? REALLY?

    I think not.

    Horizon's has the potential to be great, but until there is something to punish tapping out, nothing will reward players more than playing proactively in Modern and racing. We dont need definitions for 'fair' 'unfair' 'linear' or 'interactive'.

    Proactive is easy. If you can goldfish your hand over and over and over, you are proactive. Try that with a Blue Moon hand, with Remands, Cryptics, and Spell Snare looking back at you.

    You dont need to ban 7+ decks (if you ban looting, you better come at Stirrings or we are in the same place in 6 months) you simply need to look at the ban list and figure it out.

    EDIT: Oh and if you think this is healthy, you are a hardcore spike that probably though Eldrazi was a fine format. Modern is sick, to the core.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from whocansay »
    Quote from idSurge »

    GDS

    (...)

    All are powered on the back of Looting. (...) All would take a massive hit just by removing looting.


    What a pile of nonsense, Looting is ok at best in GDS and when it reigned supreme, nobody even played a single copy.


    I thought I saw the most recent GDS is now running it while they search for the best way to dig for their limited threats? I saw that on Twitter by at least 2 GDS players on the SCG/GP grind.

    If I'm wrong, no worries.

    EDIT: Next ban announcement is Monday. I highly doubt anything happens, but if nothing does, I'll check back in May with those 2 sets I guess.

    Enjoy.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    The poll is a personal one. Feel free to look at the start of my last post.

    Its impossible to argue the format is not popular and successful, and therefore enjoyable to many. I dont know how anyone is going to quantify an argument against those statements.


    Either way, I'm not interested in getting dragged over this, when people will not even think about the potential of removing some of these egregious cards. If you dont face down (or you actually enjoy) the top decks of the format over and over, thats great, I'm glad you enjoy it.

    I, personally, my own opinion, feel the format is terrible. Yes I'm going to generalize, but...thats kind of what you are asking for here. 'Do you enjoy Modern'? No. You asked a general question. I provide a general answer. That answer has not changed in months on end, because while people celebrated the KCI ban, I shrugged because it does not change what Modern fundamentally is within the 'winners meta'.

    If you want a more nuanced, long and thoughtful answer/discussion around certain cards, or hell even the format all together, I wouldnt mind that Swan Song but if you are going to call me out for a 'wide generalization' when thats the point of your question/poll? I'm going to just have to pass on that discourse.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Its impossible to argue the format is not popular and successful, and therefore enjoyable to many. I dont know how anyone is going to quantify an argument against those statements.

    It's also, not particularly relevant to the question 'Do you (I) enjoy Modern right now?' :p

    EDIT: Also as of this writing, 53 of 62 voters either want change, or (4) are just playing and dont really seem to care what the format looks like.

    79% of voters would like to see change.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    If there is interest in actual discussion about Looting/Stirrings/Terminus/Opal, we could actually talk about those things.

    I mean saying looting is fine is an interesting view.

    GDS
    Pyro
    Hollow One
    Dredge
    Phoenix

    All are powered on the back of Looting. All have at some point been the best deck in the format. All would take a massive hit just by removing looting.

    I had this discussion about if Phoenix is a yard deck and obviously is. It's just Bloo or Blue Moon, tilted towards Looting to maximize Phoenix.

    Anyway, I'd enjoy some actual discussion about those cards, but the article writers are cowards and won't address it.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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