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Pauper Review: Dominaria
 
The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    There's at least some available from what I can see on even my 3 normal sites?

    Runed Halo was legit sold out not long ago though, so I feel you on that one.

    If I had any desire to play such a thing...I could put it together for not much more sunk costs, but...no.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Or...you depend on interaction with the stack, and a high IQ Rainbow land can invalidate your interaction, and snowball you to get the kill by Turn 3 or 4?

    Seems legit as a 'police deck'.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    I'll never play Lantern, ever.

    To say there are U/x, or Blue Moon, when the fact of the matter is that those are not competitive with the hordes of Hollow/Human/Bogle/Affinity/Burn, has been the topic (at its root anyway) for pages and pages. Someone posted a great thought several pages ago, or in the last version of this thread.

    The fact there is UWR Control, UWR Flash, UW Control (aka Mana Denial...) UR Moon (Breach, Kiki, Jace, Thing in the Ice) is not a 'good thing' it simply reflects that Ux is scattered, and poor.

    As HolyDiva would say while on her vacation from the forums, they are all just bad decks.

    If Blue Moon was actually good enough, that would be one thing. It isnt though. It dies to Human/Hollow One just like Jund does.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from tronix »
    i dont believe anyone has said humans is an issue. from what ive seen the consensus is that it is a fair aggro deck, but probably the best one of its kind seen in a long while. i agree with that. the question now is what will it take to knock it off its pedestal.

    vanilla control and removal heavy midrange probably arent the answer. humans just barreled through a meta full of that like it wasnt even there. decks relying on few, but big, blockers get torn up by reflector mage. so i suspect it will be decks that play heavily to the board and can mix up the attacking/blocking game such as GWx company decks.


    My issue is not with humans, simply that its yet another vector for Aggro. 100% agree that Control/Midrange are not the answer (comically as Midrange is what should beat it traditionally) but gumming up the board with Creatures, while threatening some creature based combo with GW, would certainly be where I would look.

    So we can all just play creature based strats....like Standard. Weird
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from shadowsaotome »
    I understand why people would feel salty after playing against Hollow One, but are we really saying that Humans is some kind of major problem here? Burn? Affinity? Where is the patience to let the format handle itself?


    Gone, after 2+ Years.

    Quote from cfusionpm »
    [quote from="gkourou »" url="/forums/the-game/modern/791992-the-state-of-modern-thread-b-r-16-04-2018?comment=320"]
    But again, this is just an example why Twin discussions go nowhere. People make melodramatic and exaggerated claims about a misremembered past, and we get yelled at for adding context or making clarifications.


    This.

    @Mods: Please ban all Twin talk from this thread, and dont just come down on those who RESPOND to the incorrect statements.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    *shrug*

    I'm not playing a format of Hollow One, Humans, Affinity, Burn, and Bogles. Thats all I know.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Oh and yes, I would GLADLY take a 'Ban Twin discussion' again. So I can cease seeing these inaccurate and plainly wrong statements on Twin. :p
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    You can remind me as we watch Hollow One and Human mirrors for the next 2.5 Months, minimum.

    Summer Bloom vs Azusa, Lost but Seeking
    Splinter Twin vs Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

    Amulet came out ahead of Kiki, in this match up, and we both know it. :]

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    *shrug*

    Meme or not, until a deck is created that punches these linear decks in the face by being able to slow them, and then win out of nowhere (and no, Breach and Kiki do not cut it) the format will continue to coalesce around these types of strats.

    Hollow One is a better dredge, like you say, how do you even hate it out?
    Humans, is a better Merfolk, and its only going to improve.

    If these are our top decks, how do you answer both?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from gkourou »

    Splinter Twin is as possible to come off as Summer Bloom: They both have a tomb in their names in Modern.

    Kikimite, Blue Moon variatins, Breach variations are all doing well. If you are a Twin lover, you could play one of those decks. I am, and I think those decks are pretty powerful on their own. No need for Twin to come off and start top 8 ing every freaking tournament all over again.

    Oh, can you imagine Splinter Twin with Jace, The Mind Sculptor, Ancestral Vision, Search for azcanta, Opt, and Stoneforge Mystic? This would be hilarious.



    Jace had a Tomb. That argument, is not even an argument.

    KikiMite is bad. When you have played Twin, I cannot accept playing KikiMite, its worse now, than it was when Twin was banned, and it was never good.

    As to the fear mongering of 'oh Jace and AV and ....'

    Show me the deck list that runs all those cards, and I'll show you a deck that is unfocused, and draws the wrong half, and loses.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)

    But then they've also done that with Twin. They have come to the conclusion (at the time) that Twin was just the best thing to be doing in Modern, has been for a while, and they wanted to change that. They wanted to make a drastic change to the meta. Twin has also had more Top 8s than Bloom Titan - infinitely more, but all someone can say about that is that Twin was played more. But at the same time, you have to give people at least some credit. There's a reason that 10% of the current meta is not playing 8 Whack Goblins for example. I don't want to say that people that play in Modern always choose what gives them the best chance. I personally don't myself and I'm a spike. But there IS a reason.


    Bloom was degenerate. Twin, was successful, played far more, and was a 'real deck' in the eyes of pro's and grinders for...way way way longer. Of course it has more T8.

    With Bloom and Twin banned however. Amulet decks, very recently, have hit T8. Kiki....not so much. I would have ZERO issue saying Amulet > Kiki, as far as decks go. Would you disagree? I mean if you needed to play one or the other, for money, which do you pick?

    I dont see what the argument would be that Bloom needs to come back with Twin, when Bloom was an actual 'rule breaker' as we understood it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Flame Suit On: And I do believe (I know I'll get crucified for this) that if Splinter Twin is to come off, then Summer Bloom should also come off. I truly think that they are a "duo deal." If you are going to take away some linearity of the format, at least give some back too. Twin shouldn't mind - UR Twin with Blood Moon MB or SB does well vs. that deck (I would give my numbers, but there's no point).


    *checks fuel reserves*

    Why? Twin could never 'go off' on Turn 2 or 3. In what fantasy world does BLOOM need to come off with Twin?

    Amulet Titan has more Top 8's than KIKI MITE.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from tronix »

    if twin is just another 3ish percent meta share deck its influence would be marginal. therefore 'maybe helping a little' is no more of a better solution than those claiming SFM decks would combat aggressive creature strategies.

    so i challenge twin advocates to be forthright in how good exactly they expect twin would be. just a middling performer? or the return of one of the most played and winning-est decks in the history of the format.


    Yes, I think twin based decks would replace Blue Moon (80% of Blue Moon and UWR Control would become Twin) at which point the pressure would apply to a percentage of Linear decks.

    I think SFM comes off as well, to apply a double hit to those linear decks.

    Twin would return to Tier 1.5 to 1, and in doing so, would increase BGx decks and Control built to fight it.

    All told, a combo of SFM and Twin would (hopefully) smash Linear decks in the face.

    #notbiased

    EDIT: Honestly the goal would be, to me, a return of BGx and URx, to Tier 1. Thats all I want, because if they are Tier 1, then Linear Aggro is being contained, and games are (subjectively) better.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from tronix »

    you are either advocating releasing a deck that is instantly tier 1 and has the proposed effects on the meta, or its merely a decent deck amongst many in which case it does nothing. dont twist your argument to fit the situation. make your opinion clear.


    It would be Tier 1, because it would replace UWR and Blue Moon meta share, because it would beat up on linear decks. The various Tier 2 URx strats would fold into it, for most people, and a more natural predator for things like Humans, or Hollow One, or Affinity, or Bogles, would exist 'at all times'.

    UW, pure UWR Control, and BGx would be able to tune to fight against Twin, and you would have a meta closer to 2015.

    That's about as clear as I can get on my opinion.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 16/04/2018)
    Quote from gkourou »

    It's so sad to see Modern being so healthy, then see it becoming problematic, just because of one print that breaks it apart in a month's time! It's been happening regularly, too easily, too many times. That means we need better tools, some unbans, some new good prints.


    The issue here, is that since 2015, it has actually NOT been healthy.

    People may have liked spikes in certain decks. When GDS spiked, when UW spiked in response, when UWR/UW/Jund had a spike.

    However those are all temporary blips, because THE deck, which said 'dont interact? you lose'. Has been unnaturally removed.

    You all can throw whatever names you want at me, its 100% irrelevant, but Twin had an impact on the meta, and it was a healthier one.
    Posted in: Modern
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