Now you are making assumptions on the outcome, which is to be expected, despite the fact that they were outlined already. However, this was just an exercise of logic. I would say that any one group has the right to put their preservation over "diversity" anyday. Even the Israelis aren't wholly unjust in my eyes for wishing to defend their right to an all-Jewish nation - it is their actions beyond such an ideal that have proven dangerous to the world around them, especially the US.
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Hahaha. Okay, what the hell, right?
Race 1 is wrong. Why? Because they deported and exiled another Race on the claim that they are detrimental, which would be ridiculously hard to prove.
Once they have taken that illegitimate road, it is hard to believe that they would not act as aggressors. If you have ever read the esteemed Mssr. Baumeister's book, what they see as a legitimate measure to ensure their safety is likely perceived as an attack by whomever they are doing it to. This leads to a response. Race 1, now having been attacked, "for no reason" will turn and smack the crap out of the obviously technologically inferior or monetarily smaller Race 2.
I don't care which side you claim is which. Race 1 crossed a line.
Harkius
Right. Cut and dry evidence of detriment was to be inferred. Race was a purposeful label, though "Group" can work - though it is rather open-ended for the discussion.
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I beleive it is assumed that there is clear-cut evidence which proves the detriment of Group (I don't beleive race is teh proper word here) 2. Or at least that's what I based my case on.
But I'm goign to sleep. I'll argue debate more tommrow.
Then we shall be more specific, because circumstances afford me that.
Race 1 and Race 2 both occupy a territory but the detriment of Race 2 on Race 1 becomes evident. Both have had claim to it at one point or another. Now, one group gains control of the territory and both wish to oust the other Race. Race 1, being a majority, deports/exiles Race 2 without violence (or as little as possible considering human action).
They then close their borders and shield themselves without causing further trouble, defending their borders as needed and not acting as aggressors (now, this is hypothetical and does not neccessarily relate to Palestine and Israel directly, it is an exercise of your opinion of the right of a Race to a region).
Your thoughts?
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Actually, I am following your words to their logical conclusion. And then I am asking if you think that there is a tangible difference between Jews and Europeans.
I think that is a tricky question, and not one that can be answered in such a free-form way. I think that it depends on the circumstances surrounding the creation of said state. For example, if a group of people tries to take another group of people and turn them into soap then I think that it is reasonable for group #2 to get miffed and want a defensible homeland.
Is it reasonable for them to steal it from someone else? Probably not. Did the Jews do this? I don't know. So I won't comment on that.
Would it be reasonable for group #1 above to make a country to preserve themselves? Not really. Why not? Because they are not directly being threatened. And "Zionistic hegemony" is not a direct or credible threat. At least not without some proof.
The Israelis were not simply protecting their own state, they were acting as terrorist cells to drag other nations into war. That goes a bit too far. I am not against them protecting themselves, I am against the ridiculous amounts of support they have here now via the AIPAC.
Your arguments about the Holocaust are moot points. I do not believe there was a "Final Solution" in the form of genocide - more reasonably it was a total removal of Jews from Germanic regions via deportation (which was suggested in a revised Madagascar Plan). Also, I doubt Hitler would have signed documents allowing Jews to leave if he truly wished to wipe them off the globe. They may have executed some political prisoners who threatened the safety of the German people, but there was no grand scheme to erradicate the Jews - that is just ridiculous. Also, Jews were not senselessly singled out. The Balfour Declaration and the impact of the First World War had a lot to do with this.
You see no difference in Anti- and Counter-Semite. Well, that is you. Anti-Semite is a smear word. It is a way of debasing any opposing argument by giving them a label. Being a "Counter-Semite" is just that - acting in the defense of one's own people against negative Jewish influences.
If the White Russians had won against the Revolutionaries, I doubt a Stalinist regime would have come into being. There is no way to know if something better or worse may have arisen, but a world without Stalin would be a better world in my opinion - and believe it or not, there is a direct relationship between Jews and Communism and the impact it had on Russia. Though that is a pointless argument, I was just aiding Agent Smith to some degree.
Also, I have read the Talmud. Unlike other religious documents, though, this one paints Gentiles in a negative light and is extremely critical of Christianity. Though I am not much apart of religious study, I know plenty of people willing to aid me in this area - if you wish I can get them to provide you with better information. Personally, I am more involved in my own Race and politics, not the internal religious workings of the Jews. What does matter is thier attitude towards and actions against my people.
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So, their evil for protecting their own state? I find that very interesting.
Ok. It was genocide. They were scapegoating and killing Jews, because they were Jews. The definition of genocide is Killing a nation. They weren't killing 'Political Prisoners'. Though they did kill communists, and socialists, they Killed jews. Because they were jews.
I see no difference between a Anti-Semite and a coutner semite. Also, what is the metaphor reffering to?
I have a few questions:
1. What is, in your view, this 'Talmudic Teaching'?
2. Where/who did you hear this from?
3. Have you ever seen a Talmud?
4. Have you ever read a Talmud?
5. Do you realize the Hollywood 'Kabbalah' and 'Talumd' are nothing like the real thing?
Basically, the Talmudic teaching about 'Goyim' (Gentiles are commonly condescended upon by orthodox Jews. This is Talmudic, just as much as Prejudice agianst blacks is biblical) is that they exist. Leave them alone. Don't go around converting them, if they want to convert let it be of theit own will.
The russians overthrew russia. And Stalin coming to power was not a direct result of Jewish influence. It just happened, just the death of John Paul II lead to the re-election of Bush. There is no connection between the two.
You insult a religion you know next-to-nothing about and you get insulted? I'm honestly not surprised.
You are putting words in my mouth. I did not state my opinion, I asked for yours. I notice you did not give your personal answer and I will refrain from my own as I don't want to influence decisions one way or another.
Do you think it is wrong for a Race to create a state solely for its own preservation?
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If it is wrong, then it would be wrong for your ancestors and for you to make a country for the preservation of your race, creed, heritage, or whatever it is that you are arguing for here.
This statement:
certainly seems to suggest that you think that it is okay. In which case, your problem with Jews doing it could only because of where, the circumstances, or who is doing it. Since both of the former are largely recapitulated in what the Europeans did to the Native Americans, it must just be the fact that they are Jews.
Since that appears to be the problem, we must ask ourselves. Why? Why is it okay for white Europeans, but not for Jews? The only answer is that you think, a priori that Europeans are worthy of saving, but that Jews are not. Could you explain why this is?
As a side note, there is a significant volume of language in your posts that is unnecessarily crude. For example, referring to yourself as Goy is unnecessary. If you are not called by something that you consider an epithet, don't go hurling the word at yourself and leading others to presume that they somehow missed the insult. It is beneath you.
This deck is not meant to be a Tier 1 Champ deck, it is meant to be a semi-competative and terribly fun deck to play.
Also, Ulasht comes into play with counters. How does that mean it is a 0/0 and do we have an offical ruling on that? I know plenty of people under the same impression as I am - that it would come into play and factor in all the creatures I control that came into play that turn with it.
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1. This deck is already hardly competative. Without Heatbeat of Spring, Forbidden Orchard, Kiki-Jiki, and Kumano, it is just plain abysmal.
2. Unfortunately, Ulashat would come into play as a 0/0. It is an as comes into play effect, so the other creatures aren't there to see.
Oh! Another smear word. I am used to that one. Six-million? Do the math and check the census records. That alone points to some issues. Why is the Holocaust a protected piece of history in Europe? Why would it be a crime to question it unless the questions raised too many problems for those who benefit from it? Also, I have nothing against Muslims, really. It is the same for most others - they have thier place in the world and I have mine. So, trying to appeal to the fear of "terrorists" or typical American blind hatred of all things Muslim doesn't work to your advantage here.
As for the Holocaust, there is almost no real evidence that there was a genocide at all! What next, shall I bathe with bars of soap made of Jewish fat and use a lampshade of Jewish skin? Give me a break. For every fact you can bring up, I am sure I can counter it with fact or reason.
Also, I am more educated on the Talmud than you give this Goy credit for. It speaks volumes and I am sure it would be a shock to those Christians who consider themselves members of the "Judeo-Christian" system of values. On that, I must say that I am no Christian. What my European ancestors did in the name of Christian ideology was bloody, but driven by far, far more than "Religion". Trade routes, resources, and population/society clashes had a lot more to do with it than religious scruples.
Now, for your ridiculous argument about Race. First and foremost, sir, I am White (or, if you prefer, European-American). My ancestry goes back centuries, all of it pure and unadulterated European stock. It isn't about skin color, it is about heritage.
Also, Judiasm is not simply a religion. Those who are truly Jewish are Semites. Hence the term many of you throw around so fervantly. Also, this is not about superiority, it is about self-preservation. I am no better than anyone through birth, only through deed (if even that, which is a purely sociological instance, nothing defined). However, I am apart of a Race whose heritage I wish to preserve and who sees America as a nation that once embodied the merit of said Race.
I go back to a question I made earlier and I ask for a good response from our pro-Israel members here, do you think that Israel is wrong for creating a State whose sole purpose in the preservation of a specific Race of people? I am ever so curious as to what people think of this.
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Here's another name you can add to your list: Holocaust denier. Please tell me, how were the Jews in Germany political prisoners? How could they do any harm? And how, pray tell, is systematically exterminating six million Jews and many others the same as "locking them up" for the duration of the war? It was premeditated genocide. The propaganda of the "Aryan race" and the "final solution" to the Jewish "problem" were not acts meant to ease the fighting of the war. If the United States entered World War III and started anti-Muslim propaganda, saying that they are inferior to others, put them in slave camps where they identified them by number and kept records as they put them in gas chambers so they'd know when they were all dead, would that be keeping "political prisoners" in check?
I could write out all the answers to your so-called "proofs" that the Holocaust really wasn't as bad as t was, but I can just point you to it. Got any answers for that?
You know, the Christians also had that sort of ideaology back then about eh non-Christians. And so did the Muslims. And so did every single other religion back then. And, unlike the Jews, the Christians acted on them. They had all the forced conversions and expulsions and Crusades, while the Jews just let everyone else do their thing--excpet when they were being murdered by the other religions, then they just hid. And, please don't pull the Talmud on me. I know it quite better than you do, and in actuality its veiws on non-Jews (for lack of a better term; please excuse its use) aren't as bad as all you people who've heard the littlest bit about it think. The Jews back then interacted quite nicely with the non-Jews. They did business, they acted with kindness and respect to them, etc. You might pull the one that according to Jewish law, non-Jews could be kept as slaves. That's an accusation that I've heard a few times. Well, those "slaves" were treated better than we treat butlers today. To demonstrate, the law was that if there was one pillow in the house, and the homeowner needed to choose to give it to himself or to his slave, the slave got it. So, as you can see, the Talmudic veiws on "Goyim" were, in fact, not as demeaning as the uneducated on the subject such as yourself think at all.
You see, there's a difference there. One's a religion, with a heritage and history, one's a skin color. I am not proud to be white--not because I think it's worse to be white than any other skin color, but because it's nothing to be proud of. There's no difference between colors besides a couple of proteins in your DNA. And stating that it's something you're proud of shows that you really don't understand anyone different than you--it reveals a type of xenophobia. If someone is different than you, are you proud that you're better than him or her?
4x Mana Leak MD. With LD, they are practically a hard counter. I run 4x Remand as well! Believe it or not, it helps! I can LD early, lower their land count, keep their threats off the board (and draw with Remand) and they don't hurt my sorcery count later on either. I run 10 non-sorcery cards and have not a bit of trouble getting off wins.
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You're not the one who dismissed Steamcore, were you?
On a totally unrelated topic; I think Leak is decent, but only for the sideboard. You don't want to have to be holding 2 mana open to force a card through, at least usually.
You guys are getting really snippety on the Flectomancer/Feedback thing. It's pretty much all personal choice. Personally, I prefer using Needle over both of them, since it essentially accomplishes what the other two do, just a lot cheaper and a lot faster.
Working in a new direction - this one looks a LOT more consistent (which doesn't say much for this sort of combo deck). Ideally, I can power out 10-15 perms in 5-6 turns and Warp World for the win.
Any thoughts? I am keeping Kamigawa out of it for now because it is rotating so I don't feel like investing in any further cards from that block.
The "Holocaust" is getting a bit old here, folks. It isn't about Jews taking over the world - that sort of rationale is meant to debase perfectly logical arguments of the Jewish stranglehold on Gov't, banking, and the media and their purposes for the preservation of Israel and the protection of the Jewish people.
To people like me, I don't see the Holocaust as any attempt at genocide, but an act to keep what were then political prisoners locked away so they could cause no harm during a very, very large-scale war. I honestly don't care much for the Holocaust, but when it is used as some sort of end-all to arguments via the sympathy outlet, I am bothered. You think the Jews suffered? How many millions of my own people butchered one another for no good reason (Germans, British, Americans and so on). Not to mention, the facts remain that the Holocaust wasn't as is claimed and it is used to this very day (as stated above) as a way out of a logical argument against the Jews/Israel and also as a cash cow.
Agent Smith isn't an "Anti-Semite", he is a "Counter Semite" - one who acts against Jewish interests that conflict with those of his own people. How would Israel feel if a ton of foreigners came in and usurped from them seats of power in the Gov't and seized control of the media while declaring themselves a protected group? Doesn't sound too good, does it?
That is how a lot of people feel now, especially when we evaluate the sort of ideology seen in the more Orthodox Jews that are in power (such as the Talmudic teachings and the role of the "Goyim").
What Agent Smith was discussing was most likely the aftermath of the Jewish overthrow of Imperial Russia and the impact the Communism that followed - which is a somewhat cause-and-effect relationship. Had "White" Russia, or the pro-Imperialist Russians, won, the effect on Russia may well have been less bloody. Stalin came to power due to the rise of the Bolshevik/Menshevik revolutionaries, etc. So, the impacts of the Jewish-led revolution of 1917 have had far-reaching impacts, including the Second World War and the Stalinist-regimes murder of some 15-30 million Russians.
It doesn't shock me you resort to further smear words. "Bigot" and "Racist" are ways of shutting down any argument because thier current connotation is so immense that no one dares question it or earn that horrid label themselves. Well, they mean little to me. You are proud to be Jewish, I am proud to be White. I don't think myself superior, but I damned well won't let the negative influences of Israel and the pro-Zionist/Jewish elements of America continue to harm my people. Most likely, you will liken that to "Nazi" thinking, yet I assure you I do detest those who attach themselves to the non-American ideology of some 60-years prior. Hardly progressive in its approach to handling the problems "Diversity" has caused for my people.
Now, lets see what sort of comments get directed my way now.
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Agent Smith, are you familiar with what happened at the beginning of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany? Basically, the Nazis spread anti-Jewish propaganda saying that Jews were all greedy, self-centered people who weren't really loyal to Germany, and really only cared that they were Jews, and wanted to "take over the world" as Jews. This sounds remarkably similar to your accusations that in Russia, the Jews wanted to take over Russia for the Jews alone to own.
Now, I can guess your response. You will yell at me about how I'm bringing in the Holocaust where it doesn't belong and accusing you of things that are now meaningless. You'd say I'm playing on people's emotion s about the Holocaust and not debating in a logical way.
But the fact is, you're saying the Nazi propaganda. If you started saying that the Aryan race is superior and the Jews need to be wiped out, you'd probably respond to everyone's criticism the same way.
If I were to say that every single Muslim in America was plotting to destory the country and create a fundamentalist Islam state, you'd probably call me a racist and bigot and all kinds of horrible names. But when you say that about the Jews, you're fine with it. So I won't call you an anti-semite. You said that the term means nothing and that we're throwing names around. So instead, I'll call you a racist and a bigot. That's how you've come across so far.
Stop accusing people of being part of a vast conspiracy that has no prrof to it because of their race or religion. Your so-called "Jewish directives" in Russia had nothing to do with Judaism; they were Communist directives. And when those Jews in places of power died or lost power, and others were in control, why didn't the killing stop? According to you, once the evil Jews were gone, the good and kind non-Jews should have brought peace to Russia. Surely they weren't supportive of the "Jewish directives"--unless the power hungry Jews were really secretly in control! That must be it! I'm sure that isn't a stereotypical anti-Semitic theory that all those Southern racist organizations make up every day.
I'm sorry if this comes across as overly sarcastic or trolling; it's not intended to be. I'm just insulted that someone would say that I (yes, I'm Jewish, and I'm sure that erases all viability of my opinions in some people's eyes) am really a scheming, power-hungry person with no loyalty to my country simply because of my race and religion. That's called racism, and I resent it.
You are Jewish. That explains your posting demeanor. Debasing with the single swing of "Anti-Semite" seems the typical sort of thing I am confronted with often. Even when overwhelming fact prove otherwise.
It is funny that you attack Agent Smith without addressing my own post.
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Thank God I have Agent Smith on my Ignore List so I don't have to see all of the venom he's spewing.
Now onto some news that hasn't been reported on this topic:
Apparently the Israeli military has not only invaded southern Gaza for the kidnapping of one of their soldiers (which, to me, is understandable and justified due to the Hamas militant wing's provocation), but has also arrested a third of the Hamas cabinet (which, to me, is pushing it). I say just get the soldier and get out. Arresting politicians is unacceptable and a deliberate flaunt of power.
SO! I am new to Warp World decks, but that might work. Not sure. Would not be hard to phase Kamigawa out of the deck, too, which is a plus. No one go nuts and say "ORCHARD! DUH!", because I don't have them and won't go buy them either (not with the rotation around the corner).
As with most decks, this one needs to "go off" and pull out a win. If you can drop all the Arcs and Seals, that is GG. The Shaman is there specifically to bring back any lost pieces, the Anarchist is meant to allow me to "go off" again the next turn.
Perhaps I should add a few Plains and some Boros Signets and drop in Fetters. That could counter early hits I take by Knight tokens or their creatures and stall them after Warp World...? Sound good? Or should I tinker with this version FIRST, then see what I need?
Thoughts? Suggestions? Anyone else play Warp World?
Thundermare is begging to be in this deck! Tap all other creatures?! Haste?! This, add in the Cloaks from the board, Boseiju a Warp World and drop the Thundermare with 1-3 Cloaks and a few Arcs, GG!
I had had hopes that thread would take off and that it would rise to Archetype, but I suppose not yet. Check it out, it has a few decklists that abuse Psychic Possession and are pretty good and stable.
Eh. I don't like it. Card draw, last time I checked, was a blue trait. Of course, this should have an "old feel", so I guess they wanted an ophidian-like creature. I am not sure how this will work out in Standard though - might be good or bad. Really just depends on the entire set and Time Spiral.
Concerning Israel, you think one singular ethnic group should be allowed to plan/coordinate the removal of one (or more) people for the placement of their own in a land by military might and political maneuvering? That is, for the most part, what Israel has done. Not to mention strive to, above all else, preserve that state.
You think it is right fine for a nation to be "exclusive"?
Do answer that. I am curious as to what you think.
Also, quit throwing around "Anti-Semite" as though it holds water any longer. It is a smear word. Agent Smith seems to grasp the threat of international Zionism and I commend him for it and for standing up for such a belief. Considering what the Zionists have done to protect themselves in the US and Europe, it is hard enough to even name them as the detriment they are.
Strategy? Israel poses no strategic favor to us. In fact, they have twice tried to drag us into a war, not including the wars of aggression we have battled for them under the guise of the "War on Terror".
See, I do think the Jews should have a state. I am not against that. I am against our support of such and their involvement in this or any other nation.
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Great job. We've just recaptured the attention of Agent Smith, the anti-Semite.
Strategy.
How is Israel a threat to us? They're busy fighting their way through their own crap. It's not liem they want to take over the world.
And do tell what is wrong with Zionism. It's been twisted to become a dirty word, when in reality it's just a way for planning a Jewish state. If you don't think that the Jews should have a state, you're no better than the anti-Semites.
Right. Cut and dry evidence of detriment was to be inferred. Race was a purposeful label, though "Group" can work - though it is rather open-ended for the discussion.
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Race 1 and Race 2 both occupy a territory but the detriment of Race 2 on Race 1 becomes evident. Both have had claim to it at one point or another. Now, one group gains control of the territory and both wish to oust the other Race. Race 1, being a majority, deports/exiles Race 2 without violence (or as little as possible considering human action).
They then close their borders and shield themselves without causing further trouble, defending their borders as needed and not acting as aggressors (now, this is hypothetical and does not neccessarily relate to Palestine and Israel directly, it is an exercise of your opinion of the right of a Race to a region).
Your thoughts?
Your arguments about the Holocaust are moot points. I do not believe there was a "Final Solution" in the form of genocide - more reasonably it was a total removal of Jews from Germanic regions via deportation (which was suggested in a revised Madagascar Plan). Also, I doubt Hitler would have signed documents allowing Jews to leave if he truly wished to wipe them off the globe. They may have executed some political prisoners who threatened the safety of the German people, but there was no grand scheme to erradicate the Jews - that is just ridiculous. Also, Jews were not senselessly singled out. The Balfour Declaration and the impact of the First World War had a lot to do with this.
You see no difference in Anti- and Counter-Semite. Well, that is you. Anti-Semite is a smear word. It is a way of debasing any opposing argument by giving them a label. Being a "Counter-Semite" is just that - acting in the defense of one's own people against negative Jewish influences.
If the White Russians had won against the Revolutionaries, I doubt a Stalinist regime would have come into being. There is no way to know if something better or worse may have arisen, but a world without Stalin would be a better world in my opinion - and believe it or not, there is a direct relationship between Jews and Communism and the impact it had on Russia. Though that is a pointless argument, I was just aiding Agent Smith to some degree.
Also, I have read the Talmud. Unlike other religious documents, though, this one paints Gentiles in a negative light and is extremely critical of Christianity. Though I am not much apart of religious study, I know plenty of people willing to aid me in this area - if you wish I can get them to provide you with better information. Personally, I am more involved in my own Race and politics, not the internal religious workings of the Jews. What does matter is thier attitude towards and actions against my people.
Do you think it is wrong for a Race to create a state solely for its own preservation?
Also, Ulasht comes into play with counters. How does that mean it is a 0/0 and do we have an offical ruling on that? I know plenty of people under the same impression as I am - that it would come into play and factor in all the creatures I control that came into play that turn with it.
As for the Holocaust, there is almost no real evidence that there was a genocide at all! What next, shall I bathe with bars of soap made of Jewish fat and use a lampshade of Jewish skin? Give me a break. For every fact you can bring up, I am sure I can counter it with fact or reason.
Also, I am more educated on the Talmud than you give this Goy credit for. It speaks volumes and I am sure it would be a shock to those Christians who consider themselves members of the "Judeo-Christian" system of values. On that, I must say that I am no Christian. What my European ancestors did in the name of Christian ideology was bloody, but driven by far, far more than "Religion". Trade routes, resources, and population/society clashes had a lot more to do with it than religious scruples.
Now, for your ridiculous argument about Race. First and foremost, sir, I am White (or, if you prefer, European-American). My ancestry goes back centuries, all of it pure and unadulterated European stock. It isn't about skin color, it is about heritage.
Also, Judiasm is not simply a religion. Those who are truly Jewish are Semites. Hence the term many of you throw around so fervantly. Also, this is not about superiority, it is about self-preservation. I am no better than anyone through birth, only through deed (if even that, which is a purely sociological instance, nothing defined). However, I am apart of a Race whose heritage I wish to preserve and who sees America as a nation that once embodied the merit of said Race.
I go back to a question I made earlier and I ask for a good response from our pro-Israel members here, do you think that Israel is wrong for creating a State whose sole purpose in the preservation of a specific Race of people? I am ever so curious as to what people think of this.
4x Wood Elves
4x Birds of Paradise
2x Bramble Elemental
2x Hunted Dragon
4x Anarchist
1x Ulasht, the Hate Seed
1x Nullmage Shepard
4x Overgrowth
4x Warp World
4x Utopia Sprawl
4x Galvanic Arc
4x Fists of Ironwood
Lands (22)
2x Karplusan Forest
10x Mountain
10x Forest
4x Naturalize
1x Loaming Shaman
1x Selesnya Guildmage
1x Thundermare
3x Moldervine Cloak
4x Carven Caryatid
1x Nullmage Shepard
Working in a new direction - this one looks a LOT more consistent (which doesn't say much for this sort of combo deck). Ideally, I can power out 10-15 perms in 5-6 turns and Warp World for the win.
Any thoughts? I am keeping Kamigawa out of it for now because it is rotating so I don't feel like investing in any further cards from that block.
The "Holocaust" is getting a bit old here, folks. It isn't about Jews taking over the world - that sort of rationale is meant to debase perfectly logical arguments of the Jewish stranglehold on Gov't, banking, and the media and their purposes for the preservation of Israel and the protection of the Jewish people.
To people like me, I don't see the Holocaust as any attempt at genocide, but an act to keep what were then political prisoners locked away so they could cause no harm during a very, very large-scale war. I honestly don't care much for the Holocaust, but when it is used as some sort of end-all to arguments via the sympathy outlet, I am bothered. You think the Jews suffered? How many millions of my own people butchered one another for no good reason (Germans, British, Americans and so on). Not to mention, the facts remain that the Holocaust wasn't as is claimed and it is used to this very day (as stated above) as a way out of a logical argument against the Jews/Israel and also as a cash cow.
Agent Smith isn't an "Anti-Semite", he is a "Counter Semite" - one who acts against Jewish interests that conflict with those of his own people. How would Israel feel if a ton of foreigners came in and usurped from them seats of power in the Gov't and seized control of the media while declaring themselves a protected group? Doesn't sound too good, does it?
That is how a lot of people feel now, especially when we evaluate the sort of ideology seen in the more Orthodox Jews that are in power (such as the Talmudic teachings and the role of the "Goyim").
What Agent Smith was discussing was most likely the aftermath of the Jewish overthrow of Imperial Russia and the impact the Communism that followed - which is a somewhat cause-and-effect relationship. Had "White" Russia, or the pro-Imperialist Russians, won, the effect on Russia may well have been less bloody. Stalin came to power due to the rise of the Bolshevik/Menshevik revolutionaries, etc. So, the impacts of the Jewish-led revolution of 1917 have had far-reaching impacts, including the Second World War and the Stalinist-regimes murder of some 15-30 million Russians.
It doesn't shock me you resort to further smear words. "Bigot" and "Racist" are ways of shutting down any argument because thier current connotation is so immense that no one dares question it or earn that horrid label themselves. Well, they mean little to me. You are proud to be Jewish, I am proud to be White. I don't think myself superior, but I damned well won't let the negative influences of Israel and the pro-Zionist/Jewish elements of America continue to harm my people. Most likely, you will liken that to "Nazi" thinking, yet I assure you I do detest those who attach themselves to the non-American ideology of some 60-years prior. Hardly progressive in its approach to handling the problems "Diversity" has caused for my people.
Now, lets see what sort of comments get directed my way now.
It is funny that you attack Agent Smith without addressing my own post.
4x Utopia Sprawl
3x Overgrowth
4x Wood Elves
3x Gruul Signet
Namesake (4)
4x Warp World
4x Galvanic Arc
4x Fists of Ironwood
4x Seal of Fire
3x Bramble Elemental
2x Hunted Dragon
1x Kumano, Master Yamabushi
1x Loaming Shaman
3x Anarchist
Lands (20) (Here is the area I go Budget!)
2x Karplusan Forest
9x Forest
9x Mountain
SO! I am new to Warp World decks, but that might work. Not sure. Would not be hard to phase Kamigawa out of the deck, too, which is a plus. No one go nuts and say "ORCHARD! DUH!", because I don't have them and won't go buy them either (not with the rotation around the corner).
As with most decks, this one needs to "go off" and pull out a win. If you can drop all the Arcs and Seals, that is GG. The Shaman is there specifically to bring back any lost pieces, the Anarchist is meant to allow me to "go off" again the next turn.
Perhaps I should add a few Plains and some Boros Signets and drop in Fetters. That could counter early hits I take by Knight tokens or their creatures and stall them after Warp World...? Sound good? Or should I tinker with this version FIRST, then see what I need?
Thoughts? Suggestions? Anyone else play Warp World?
1x Demonfire
4x Naturalize
1x Loaming Shaman
2x Thundermare
2x War's Toll
2x Boseiju, Who Shelters All
3x Moldervine Cloak
Thundermare is begging to be in this deck! Tap all other creatures?! Haste?! This, add in the Cloaks from the board, Boseiju a Warp World and drop the Thundermare with 1-3 Cloaks and a few Arcs, GG!
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I had had hopes that thread would take off and that it would rise to Archetype, but I suppose not yet. Check it out, it has a few decklists that abuse Psychic Possession and are pretty good and stable.
You think it is right fine for a nation to be "exclusive"?
Do answer that. I am curious as to what you think.
Also, quit throwing around "Anti-Semite" as though it holds water any longer. It is a smear word. Agent Smith seems to grasp the threat of international Zionism and I commend him for it and for standing up for such a belief. Considering what the Zionists have done to protect themselves in the US and Europe, it is hard enough to even name them as the detriment they are.
Strategy? Israel poses no strategic favor to us. In fact, they have twice tried to drag us into a war, not including the wars of aggression we have battled for them under the guise of the "War on Terror".
See, I do think the Jews should have a state. I am not against that. I am against our support of such and their involvement in this or any other nation.