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Quote from Melkor »

oh man, I'm so glad I don't play that format 'port your recently rotated Standard decks over!' they said. just not the ones that were actually excellent. if you want to play the cards that were powerful and exciting in Standard, go play Modern. it probably won't do well, but I wouldn't want to buy into a deck that could put up results in Pioneer, that's for sure. if you can't play a top tier deck in either format, might as well play the one that lets you use CopyCat

Maybe its for the better, if it works it works... if not... well it should die a quick death either way quick and constant bannings is something new... maybe it will work out

This looks pretty awesome, I was aware of the modern version, but rad that there is a pioneer variant

Good that they are not randomly banning cards, this is especially important since pioneer is still pretty much in its formative stage

A recent list:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2518175#paper
It the version with the green splash

Quote from traderjoe »

What the opinion on Carthic Reunion? Is it enough to keep the deck serviceable?

Casual play wise... i played at most just 1 cathartic reunion... the pain is in the sequencing... also i went a more midrange path with karn, scion of urza... its partly to mitigate the loss of card advantage when we lost faithless looting.

Quote from user-11102155 »

actually this feels so random.
i can understand the banning of leyline and the cat, but oath of nissa and now veil of summer ?
you really have to question if these bannings solve "problematic" decks. i even question if the decks are really that problematic. the format is so new and it had not really a chance to evolve. sorry to say this, but the magic community is slow in adopting. for 1 creative person that can build decks you get 99 people that can only copy decklists of others. if they win, they keep playn the deck.
while i think veil of summer is more powerful than oath of nissa, it is also a niche card, good in just certain situations.

I completely agree with you... but it is what it is... aa such a dominant deck will tend to stick to the top for longer than it should, but will be seen as warpingly so... thing is there will definitely be warping before answers come in... and even answers will be iterative and take time to stick... but it all takes too long for the average tournament goer... so bannings it is i like to think quick and fast bannings are fine... it might actually kill the secondary market since anything overtedly dominating or warping will be banned

I guess veil of summer is like gitaxian probe... it makes it such that it is now safe to cast your stuff.. which is good for weak decks to use but make strong decks even stronger. It is more a threat than an answer in that sense



I like the current pace of banning, no maniac random bannings, but swift heavy bannings when justified... i like this pruning approach.

The was a rec3nt vampires list that did well
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2435183#paper

But i think you could easily go a different direction

These are the decklists:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/decks-commander-2019-edition-2019-08-08

We haz golden eggs

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Quote from SpeedGrapher »

People have already started buying up cards for the format. Siege Rhino went from $1 to $4 two days after the announcement. A lot of high volume buyout gambling is happening right now. Makes me not want to even bother with the format. At this point they can print Pioneer Masters in Summer 2020 or just forget about the format. I also don't feel like playing against Siege Rhino anymore. Everyone was trilled when it was gone.

prices will stabilize, but i absolutely agree. people in this very thread have complained about the cost to get into modern, and this will be no different in very short order. they can't just go and reprint tons of stuff without adversely effecting standard so they forced themselves yet again into a corner where they won't do anything about the secondary market but it consistently causes a problem because of their approach to reprints

I think the problem is multi layered... the only way they solve the "reprint problem" is to print it to the ground or very often, so that inventories become very large and prices per card is some arbitrary low number say 2 dollars (and thats for the playable ones, the rest will be worthless in monetary terms)

The toxic groups in the reprint problem are the speculators AND the people who want 2 dollar or lower cards. Both groups are problems. Its not like the cards were not low in price at some point in time. The problem is people do not cherish their cards and only see the cards from a financial perspective. A siege rhino card is the same siege rhino card, whether it was 1$ a week ago or a buyitnow price of 4$ today. If one did not sell off because of rotation or that the cards has been overrun in terms of playability... then pioneer format or no, there is no issue. As long as players (should we even call them that) see cards from a financial point, we will have this problem unless they print it to the ground .


Edit:
That said... the two problem groups are not going to go away, indeed all of us are probably part of the problem since we create the demand. My advice is to get the cards you need if you have a pet deck/cards that you sold off previously if the price is still low. If the price has jumped, then just wait it out, thing is these newer sets inventories are very large... Siege Rhino was actually pretty low in price for its popularity due to the large print run. The people buying out? their money is locked in cardboard. In the meantime I will go out and enjoy the sunshine or whatever weather it is for you out there decklist change ALL the time, just wait for a period when it is not the current hotness. If you choose to chase the current popular decks... then I am afraid its the same old game, in any format.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2281971#paper

Someone played to 6th place, not sure how big the tournament was tho

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Quote from arcane7828 »

Tolaria west via transmute fetches the lotus fields? Tho being green, sylvan scrying is nice

True, but I expected that to be too slow and clunky as it doesn't naturally lead into T3 Lotus Field and, more importantly, requires you to have 3 lands in play before you can field, which, in my experience so far, is pretty ambitious in a deck with effectively 16-17 lands.

sorry about the results

on tolaria west:
ooo I see it differently, if I got it early, I would likely play it as one of my land drops. I don't think tolaria west's role is only to fetch. It is a bad land as well as a bad fetch... but it does both in one card. Early it is a bad land, mid game if you still haven got your lotus field it is a fetch, when you are comboing you can fetch a lonely sandbar to draw a card (4 mana 2 cards to draw a card yes its bad :p) ... it is not very good at each individual task, but it houses them all in one card.

So sad the flavour text, but i like it

I want me a kaiju