People, please unvote so that people can weigh in on this.
I am town?
While I agree that we should wait so that people should be able to weigh in on this, is that really all you have to say? "I am town?"? At least try to hide your lack of any response. Hint: it makes you look like the scum you are.
Sorry I've been away for the last day guys. I had three SATII Subject Tests this morning and then my teammate became the STATE CHAMPION IN THE 800M just tonight so I've been busy.
Wow, y'all have been busy too. Joboman is L-1? Let's settle down a little, I agree he's scummy but he almost got lynched before I even got back. That would not have been cool. Townies don't rush wagons, regardless of how good they might be. I was going to make a PBPA on him with this post but at this point that doesn't really seem worth the effort.
There's been a ton of posts so I'll just hit a few key points quickly:
@TACKY's plan for tonight: I have a bad feeling a TACKY plan probably ends up with me dead :(, but as long as it handles vezok nicely I guess I'll give the go-ahead to it anyway.
No, wrong. OMT was actively doing analysis. He was providing analysis on Vezok's playstyle and DKD. You came out an said "seems really scummy" and moved along. Had you provided analysis for your thoughts, I wouldn't have thought anything of it. But your post reeked of opportunism. Others had expressed concern, so you jump in with a smilie and a line about how he's really scummy.
This is true. All I can say in my defense is that very little analysis was getting done at that point in the game by anybody. But yes, I probably should have said more than a little smiley and one-liner.
You created a 'nervous' situation with the Ted/Claire thing, which could get people riled up, and the whole 'Vezok is totally siding with the scum' bit is an attempt to get his lynch and direct the town. Equating Vezok to scum is terribad.
He's not scum, but I do think it's important to remember that he's not really "one of us" either. Note that I didn't say "vezok is siding with the scum" but "vezok might side with the scum later" (emphasis added). I never said, nor do I claim now, that Vezok is scum--and in fact I've said in one of my posts that a real scum death would be much preferable to a Vezok death.
Was Jobo the best case? You seems unsure, unsure enough to ask 'do we bandwagon' in hopes of getting others onboard. In fact, your 'case' on Jobo was mentioning that he was fairly inactive, and you even excused that away by saying that he could just be AFK for a while. It was NOT the best case. Why didn't you go back to OMT or DKD or one of your earlier leads?
I did state my reasoning for this. On further consideration, I had decided that OneMoreTime and DKD were just as likely to be newbie town as scum. Therefore their cases were weakened. Joboman's case was not just based on the fact that he was inactive but (more importantly) that he was (and remains) a constant barner and fencesitter.
Also, this is yet another contridiction. You claimed earlier in your response to me that you were Providing to the discussion and such. Now you are claiming that it was baseless posting with little evidence so early on. Does anyone else see this (I really wanna know!)
The point I made is that I was giving as much as I could to the discussion. At the beginning of the game, there is no evidence. Therefore it was not a strong post, just all I could do.
How can you possibly still be thinking that Vezo isn't telling us everything? As I've made clear multiple times, Vezo has tons of motivation to tell us things and very little to withhold information.
Not entirely true. He has tons of motivation to make us think he's told us everything, but very little to actually tell us everything if some of that information might make him look bad. Don't get me wrong, at this point I do think vezok has told us everything, but it was a valid point at the time.
I don't need to use personal insults to reinforce my point, mr. *cough cough* mis-lynched me twice in a row *cough cough*
Could you please specifically state what about my play here is similar to my play in Asphodel meadows? To me it seems like you're just trying to think up reasons because in Asphodel meadows I only made like 10 posts.
"I don't need to use personal attacks, but I'm still going to use an ad-hominem attack against your analysis skills. OH WAIT"
@AlphaInsidious's posts: I love one-liners as much as (OK, much more) the next man, but you've really got to have something else there. Your posts are pretty much entirely just smilies and short sentences, very little content.
@Joboman's claim: Angela Petrelli is associated with the company, is very very shady, and is probably scum. Also the fact that he changed his mind on his rolename AND his ability name after being called on them is super suspicious. All in all a very scummy claim.
Slow up! This applies to all of you. It doesn't hurt town to take a little extra time to consider. It only helps scum to go to night earlier.
With that said, I do think a joboman lynch is the smartest choice for today. I'm not going to bother with my PBPA since all of this already happened, but I will summarize my points against joboman:
1) He is lurking, and not just by not being here. He is consistently posting, but avoiding content.
2) He barns other players rather than creating his own opinions, and doesn't explain his reasoning.
3) He refuses to take a strong position on any case, a.k.a. fence-sitting.
4) He tries to distract attention from his case by pointing to me and using ad hominem attacks against his opponents.
5) The strongest point of all right now, he claimed a probable scum character with an ability that it sounds like he made up. And then he changed his rolename and ability name after questioning.
So yes, I fully support a jobo lynch. But let's wait up for everybody to check in first, please.
I don't mind my plan not being followed, I just don't want Vezo lynched
Why? Again, Vezok does not know anything about what sets his ability off. So as far as we know, a vig shot is just as likely as a lynch to set him off.
I had a big flavor scene. I deduced some things from it.
I have only the name of my ability and what I deduced from the flavor.
I was in an interogation room and the moment some cops stept I started radiating and of them tried to calm me down with his mind talk ability.
I think my ability doesn't hurt me but from what I heard of my character and some flavor it seems that if I'm pressured a little more I can go BOOM.
Thank you. So pretty much we know nothing about what can set you off, but at least we know that we know nothing.
@Hunted Charlie: In terms of mod-gaming I think everyone needs to settle down a bit. You included. Let's stop speculating about what possible roles and interactions there could be and focus on what actually matters, which is scum hunting by actually looking at what people are saying.
Where have I been mod-gaming? My last post was largely focused on telling Ecophagy NOT to mod-game. I am discussing vezokpiraka's situation but that's hardly mod-gaming, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly he got as a role.
I would be very, very surprised if there is no Haitian in the game. I would be further surprised if he didn't suppress abilities. I would also be surprised if there is no-one who has a kill on the town'e side.
And if you're surprised, then the whole plan backfires. Or maybe we have one but they have a special limitation stopping this plan, or they're busy with another important action that night, or they've been roleblocked themselves, or any of the other unknown possibilities. The point is: anything could happen; this requires way too many assumptions, therefore it is a bad plan.
Directing power roles is, in general, a bad idea because the scum can screw with it. I feel, however, that the scum should not screw with it because Vezo dying without exploding benefits everyone.
Maybe? Or maybe the scum want Vezo to explode (if Vezo will explode, which hasn't even been confirmed). Since we don't know what it does, we don't even know whether the scum want it or not. Why would you assume that scum would benefit from Vezok staying alive?
I just feel that a plan to deal with Vezo that doesn't use our lynch today and reduces the risk of Vezo exploding is preferable to one that doesn't.
OK, but apparently Vezok doesn't even know what will cause him to explode. Maybe a vig will, maybe a lynch will, who knows. We can't really factor that into our plan because we don't have any real information about that.
Are you listening?
The mod never told me what my ability does only that it's passive and supernatural.
I am trying to win this game but it seems easier to help the town win because it's easier for them and they are the majority.
Once again I have no idea what my ability does.
Passive and supernatural? So you don't actually know that it will cause you to hurt people or that it is caused by pressure? Was that all speculation or part of your role? The problem is that we've heard plenty from you, and it's unclear what the mod actually told you.
Therefore, I have a proposal. The Haitian should target Vezo tonight, and - if possible - permanently remove Vezo's ability. Because this might not be possible, a vig should also target Ted.
It's plausible that the Haitian is mafia. Hopefully, you can see that the advantage of the world not blowing up is worth co-operating with the town, especially night 1.
Net result: Ted can't go boom because of the Haitian, then Ted goes Die from a vig. Problem solved.
The one issue is that Sylar + Ted = bad. In order to try and rectify this, we should have a watcher watch Ted - He'd see the Haitian, the vig and Sylar. This seems like a good deal to me. I should point out to Sylar that you targeting Ted is unwise, given that a watcher is a common role, and you being narrowed down at all basically means that you lose.
This must be a joke. You are assuming that there is a Haitian, who will support this plan AND has the ability to suppress Ted's explosion. You're also assuming that we have a vig AND a watcher AND they're both capable and willing of following your orders tonight. No, this is not a reasonable plan.
I'm going to reread the case on Hunted Charlie, but in the meantime I stand by my earlier comments that Vezok should tell us everything he knows (do a full claim). We really need to know what we're dealing with here, specifically what he means when he says "gets stressed."
This is pretty much what I think is the smart play for the town. Consider the case against me until satisfied, while making Vezok give us more information (I also think it would be good to consider joboman, but I haven't had the time to make a real case against him yet).
The problem is that the level of your response was not appropriate for how early it was in the game. No one cares that you had an opinion (in fact the discussion is good), just that you labeled a couple players obvious scum with very little evidence to go on.
I labeled a post really scummy. Because it was really scummy. I didn't label the player anything, because at that point in the game nobody is obvious scum based off of a few posts.
The problem with fearmongering is that, like baseless speculation, it masquerades as actual content. While I don't actually find what you had to say entirely worthless, speculating on a possible interaction between two characters, when we know nothing about one and very little about the other, doesn't seem like the best use of our time.
I agree that mod-gaming is not a great use of time. Besides that one line in my second(?) post of the game, when I didn't have much to base things on, I have carefully avoided it. But please realize that mod-gaming and flavor speculation have been a staple of this game and I'm far from the only person who has done it--perhaps half the players are guilty of this. Consider Syrenz's paragraph-long guess of Sylar's ability--nobody seems to think that was scummy. I'm not trying to distract from my case and certainly don't want to start a Syrenz bandwagon, I'm just pointing out that behavior found in half of the players cannot be a scumtell.
While I do agree with your annoyance at the two claims, and the amount of use we're giving to the buzzword "fearmongering," I don't agree with your blanket statement about no more information. For instance, please explain how it would be harmful for Vezo to right now tell us everything he knows?
I completely agree, that's why I said "UNNECESSARY INFORMATION". I have never requested that no more information be shared at all. And I also agree that Vezok should be telling everything he knows. Please see post #172, where I flat-out said that "I support a Vezok full-claim."
The only time I say "Hm" is when I find something interesting or notable. I think Freudian Slip might have been too strong, but the word you've used generally denotes some sort of opinion or feeling. I find it hard to believe that you wrote "Hm" just to make sure we took note.
I thought that was interesting in that it was either a massive attempt at mod-gaming or inside knowledge. However I didn't think it was necessarily a scum tell, and had no comment on it. Thus, "Hm".
Are you even listening?
I know nothing about my ability. I prefer to help the town win.
Voting me just cause you think it's the best course of action is not good. I go KABOOM from everything. It's enough to apply pressure. It doesn't even has to be real pressure maybe just some votes will do.
Vezok, your posts aren't making sense. And "I don't know I don't care" isn't a good answer to an actual question. It definitely seemed like you know of the existence of some kind of cult, but now you know nothing? Please tell us everything you know about your role. Now. No "I know nothing" because you definitely seem to know something. Give us a precise paraphrase of what the mod told you. This is your only chance to win, because if you don't give us any information we will assume the worst and kill you today or tonight.
I'm saying that we can utilize abilities to minimize the damage the exploding man will cause. I fear that lynching him will make a big ole mess, where a vig shot might do less damage.
But having re-read (sorry guys, I missed that the first time), the only thing he did think might trigger it is night abilities. Now he says possibly lynch votes as well, but of course he might well be lying to get out of the lynch at this point. It seems like a vig shot would have a good chance of making him blow up, unless somebody roleblocked him that night (and the roleblock could affect this kind of ability). But the problem with this is you're assuming in this scenario that we have a cooperative vig and roleblocker. This is not necessarily true, therefore we can't just go with this plan.
I could go for this. Even though we should obviously try to get rid of him, I did not want to make vezokpiraka the priority today, and if TACKY thinks he can come up with a plan to make him useful, I think we should give it another day and focus on scum.
On that note, Vote: Hunted Charlie
When I spend time to make a post refuting points made against me, it would be polite to read, consider, and respond to that before mindlessly bandwagoning.
Except vezok said nothing about votes triggering his ability. He only mentioned that him getting targeted was bad. You're connecting dots because they happen to be next to each other, even though they're not in order.
Perhaps I've been mistaken, but I thought that his mention of targeting was just a guess? I thought he was just throwing that out there as a possibility. If that's confirmed to be his only way to explode obviously a vezok lynch would make much more sense (still secondary to a true scum lynch IMO, but a good backup plan).
This post, in reference to DKD's first "I want good attention" post, is pretty quick for 60 posts in. Yeah, DKD's post was enough to arouse a little suspicion, but Charlie jumps right in, not seeing the noobieness, and lables it really scummy. It's opportunist.
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Charlie, would you mind telling us what OMT was distracting away from so early in the game? What were the pressing issues? Pretty sure that any discussion that early in the game is productive, and OMT was scumhunting, even if it was his awkward style of doing so.
In part one of this, you say I shouldn't be calling DKD scummy based on such an early post. In part two, you say that scumhunting is good and any discussion early on is productive. These two positions seem incompatible logically, as my first post was of the scumhunting, early discussion variety. Actually, my and OMT's posts were similar in that regard.
Does some fearmongering a bit here, mostly with the Claire part, partly with the 'Vezok joins the scum' part.
This term "fearmongering" is being thrown around a lot this game. I'm unsure how raising the possibility of a neutral turning on us is a bad thing, since it's absolutely a good thing to watch out for. And I'm not sure how raising suspicions of Vezok would help the scum, either.
Well, Charlie may not have anything better to do, but the town can ALWAYS scumhunt. We don't train a player for the hell of it. We train them because they have been proven (to the best of the town's ability) as scum. Like I'm doing to you now.
Proof is impossible in a discussion-based game like this, and evidence is continually building from Day 1. Stronger cases can be made as the game goes on. Therefore, the decision of where to hunt is not based on finding a perfect case but on finding the best possible case at that time. Jobo was the best possible case at that time.
Second, His response to AsianInvasion brings contradictions. He's not convinced that DMD/OMT are town, but won't outright call them scummy here. Yet he did that in his second post of the game, specifically in the DMD attack, where he ended up calling him "really scummy". He then goes on right after that, in his 3rd post of the game, to say that OMT smells pretty scummy too. Contradiction of his earlier play.
Right, that's because that was my third post of the game, during the early phase with little evidence. Permission to change my mind, sir?
Finally, there is a bit of fearmongering with the crazy bold statement and the comment on Falkonn. I agree that falkonn or anyone else claiming is bad, but this is freakout level IMO. Bad post in general and one to be considered.
Again this word. Yes, having two people claim in the first two real-life days of a game like this is bad. I am again unclear about why you think bolding or underlining it makes it "fearmongering".
Throws on the vote for Joboman. Remember how he was so indifferent about that in his last post? Yeah, he's voting here because he has nothing better to do.
Indifferent? I suggested we start a bandwagon on him. I forgot to vote and quickly remedied my error.
And the "Hm" comment raises my eyebrow. If he has nothing to say about it, the Hm is unneeded. Yet it's there. It's like a thought placeholder for something much more important. It like subconscious thought on the internet. A freudian slip, if you will. He feels like he has to comment on it, probably because it's personally important to him. It reads as a fake feeling, a comment of appearances. You know what I mean?
I had nothing to say on it, but want edit to be noted and inputted into the town consciousness as rather odd. Which it was. How exactly does the concept of a Freudian slip play into this?
Anyway, I think the case against me is unquestionably weak but it is true that our other options are limited. It seems like me, Zevok, and joboman are the three possibilities at this point. If I have indeed misunderstood Zevok's claim, he could be a good potential lynch. Joboman is giving off scum vibes but I've got to go through and see whether there's a true case or that's just me.
EBWOP: Vezo knows there are people who want to get rid of him. You'd think if something bad happened from voting him he'd have told us by now, in an attempt at self-preservation?
I'd hope so. But actually Vezok hasn't posted for a long while, so he might just not be monitoring the game. Either way, I think this is probably one of the few cases where more information revealed would help, not hurt us. I'm still against a Vezok lynch, but let's just get all of the doubt out of the way. I support a Vezok full-claim.
Is there a consensus that Vezok should do a complete claim now? If so, let's get that done.
Highly unlikely that merely voting him does anything. Actually lynching him might cause something but I doubt votes do anything.
To me, pressure = votes. When we want to pressure somebody, we put votes on them. This is why I'm nervous about voting him. I very well might be wrong, and I'm not ruling out Vezok as a possibility, but I would still feel more comfortable with a smaller chance of the bomb going off Day 1.
The Bolded are great reasons not to lynch. The Bolded and Italicized is the only thing to worry about. This lynch on D1 would FOR SURE set us back by not being a scum lynch and will PROBABLY set us back from negative effects caused by it.
This pretty much summarizes my opinion on the matter. There is one way a Vezok lynch makes sense today: if he is lying, and is actually scum. This is a possibility that we need to consider first, however, because it would not be a worthwhile lynch to take him out as a probably-harmful neutral.
To me, Ted doesn't seem like a scum character, and he's too likely to be in this game to comfortably falseclaim him (because of the chance of a counterclaim). Which is why I'm leaning towards Vezok telling the truth.
@People Voting/Paw of Suspicioning me: People voting me have for the most part just been saying things like "Hunted Charlie is probably scum" (AsianInvasion), "hm" (Syrenz), or "This last post was really, really bad." (joboman). So I'm just going to leave that until I have something substantial to respond to.
Why do you say this without putting down a vote of your own?
Good point, forgot that. Vote joboman
@Tacky: "Hm" as in, "OK, this gives me a lot of thought, and I am considering it very much, but there is nothing I feel should be said at this point".
@Everybody voting Vezok: Guys, stop! I'm fine with considering lynching him and thinking more about this, but don't vote him yet. If he is telling the truth that might cause unintended consequences. Use FOSes or something that won't cause game effects.
On Syrenz "fishing": Honestly it didn't seem like much of a scumtell to me. It seemed like he just wanted some clarification. It's understandable and I don't think its a strong tell, but I think we should agree at this point to STOP REVEALING/ASKING FOR UNNECESSARY INFORMATION, people. The mod even put in the rules to "claim with caution", but already we've got multiple claims. That just seems stupid.
On falkonn's claim: Sigh. Well now the scum are sure to be hard at work on figuring out how to target you. That was just stupid, see above paragraph.
On joboman: I agree he's sorta just barning and staying quiet. Could just mean he's busy, but since we don't really have a ton of strong leads right now I guess he's the best we've got. Wagon I suppose?
On AsianInvasion: Yup, I do think we should stay watchful on vezokpiraka. And yes, I am not utterly convinced, like everybody else is, that DKD or OneMoreTime are definite town. I don't see these positions as issues in any way. To say I'm "super sure this guy is the scum!!!!!!1111" would just be a lie at this point. There isn't enough evidence yet for a strong wagon on anybody.
Wow, this game just blew up (pun intended). Unless someone counterclaims, I'm inclined to believe everything vezokpiraka is saying.
I think the smart play with vezokpiraka for now is to leave him alone, but be very careful not to forget him. It's important to remember that the scum could set him off if it seemed like it might benefit them, or he might side with scum if it helps him.
Sidenote: I stopped watching Heroes midway through Season 3, but I thought Ted was the only guy who ever managed to really hurt Claire? Something about that makes me nervous.
So vezokpiraka is out of the hunt. I'm not sure I agree with everybody saying DKD and OneMoreTime are definitely noob town, but it does seem like that's just as likely as noob scum. So I agree that there's no point bandwagoning against them now. Unvote
One more thought: OneMoreTime's posts #64 and #65 smell scummy too. They're calling attention away from the discussion to other players. "Hey look, a distraction!"
Not a joke. It's the truth. I like to hear I'm doing things right, and I'm all the harder on myself when I'm not. I like the fact that I noticed something odd here, it shows I'm looking for such slips, but I should have taken the time to think about what the consequences of pointing it out would be. You guys are right, there was nothing to be gained by the town. My relative inexperience caused me to jump at the chance to show I could analyze things and find little things hidden between the lines, but in my haste to do so, I failed to analyze my own post and see the potential negative repercussions for the town.
Does he normally play like this or is this really scummy? I'm calling "really scummy". He seems super nervous.
While I agree that we should wait so that people should be able to weigh in on this, is that really all you have to say? "I am town?"? At least try to hide your lack of any response. Hint: it makes you look like the scum you are.
Wow, y'all have been busy too. Joboman is L-1?
There's been a ton of posts so I'll just hit a few key points quickly:
@TACKY's plan for tonight: I have a bad feeling a TACKY plan probably ends up with me dead :(, but as long as it handles vezok nicely I guess I'll give the go-ahead to it anyway.
This is true. All I can say in my defense is that very little analysis was getting done at that point in the game by anybody. But yes, I probably should have said more than a little smiley and one-liner.
He's not scum, but I do think it's important to remember that he's not really "one of us" either. Note that I didn't say "vezok is siding with the scum" but "vezok might side with the scum later" (emphasis added). I never said, nor do I claim now, that Vezok is scum--and in fact I've said in one of my posts that a real scum death would be much preferable to a Vezok death.
I did state my reasoning for this. On further consideration, I had decided that OneMoreTime and DKD were just as likely to be newbie town as scum. Therefore their cases were weakened. Joboman's case was not just based on the fact that he was inactive but (more importantly) that he was (and remains) a constant barner and fencesitter.
The point I made is that I was giving as much as I could to the discussion. At the beginning of the game, there is no evidence. Therefore it was not a strong post, just all I could do.
Through the joboman translator: "Guys, why wagon against me? How about if I give you this distraction instead?"
Not entirely true. He has tons of motivation to make us think he's told us everything, but very little to actually tell us everything if some of that information might make him look bad. Don't get me wrong, at this point I do think vezok has told us everything, but it was a valid point at the time.
Again through the good 'ol jobo translator: "Uhhhhh you called me. Whoops, can't explain this one."
Fence. Sitting. What ARE you sure of?
"I don't need to use personal attacks, but I'm still going to use an ad-hominem attack against your analysis skills. OH WAIT"
@AlphaInsidious's posts: I love one-liners as much as (OK, much more) the next man, but you've really got to have something else there. Your posts are pretty much entirely just smilies and short sentences, very little content.
@Joboman's claim: Angela Petrelli is associated with the company, is very very shady, and is probably scum. Also the fact that he changed his mind on his rolename AND his ability name after being called on them is super suspicious. All in all a very scummy claim.
Slow up! This applies to all of you. It doesn't hurt town to take a little extra time to consider. It only helps scum to go to night earlier.
With that said, I do think a joboman lynch is the smartest choice for today. I'm not going to bother with my PBPA since all of this already happened, but I will summarize my points against joboman:
1) He is lurking, and not just by not being here. He is consistently posting, but avoiding content.
2) He barns other players rather than creating his own opinions, and doesn't explain his reasoning.
3) He refuses to take a strong position on any case, a.k.a. fence-sitting.
4) He tries to distract attention from his case by pointing to me and using ad hominem attacks against his opponents.
5) The strongest point of all right now, he claimed a probable scum character with an ability that it sounds like he made up. And then he changed his rolename and ability name after questioning.
So yes, I fully support a jobo lynch. But let's wait up for everybody to check in first, please.
Where have I been mod-gaming? My last post was largely focused on telling Ecophagy NOT to mod-game. I am discussing vezokpiraka's situation but that's hardly mod-gaming, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly he got as a role.
And if you're surprised, then the whole plan backfires. Or maybe we have one but they have a special limitation stopping this plan, or they're busy with another important action that night, or they've been roleblocked themselves, or any of the other unknown possibilities. The point is: anything could happen; this requires way too many assumptions, therefore it is a bad plan.
Maybe? Or maybe the scum want Vezo to explode (if Vezo will explode, which hasn't even been confirmed). Since we don't know what it does, we don't even know whether the scum want it or not. Why would you assume that scum would benefit from Vezok staying alive?
OK, but apparently Vezok doesn't even know what will cause him to explode. Maybe a vig will, maybe a lynch will, who knows. We can't really factor that into our plan because we don't have any real information about that.
O RLY?
Does not mean it's a good idea.
This is pretty much what I think is the smart play for the town. Consider the case against me until satisfied, while making Vezok give us more information (I also think it would be good to consider joboman, but I haven't had the time to make a real case against him yet).
I labeled a post really scummy. Because it was really scummy. I didn't label the player anything, because at that point in the game nobody is obvious scum based off of a few posts.
I agree that mod-gaming is not a great use of time. Besides that one line in my second(?) post of the game, when I didn't have much to base things on, I have carefully avoided it. But please realize that mod-gaming and flavor speculation have been a staple of this game and I'm far from the only person who has done it--perhaps half the players are guilty of this. Consider Syrenz's paragraph-long guess of Sylar's ability--nobody seems to think that was scummy. I'm not trying to distract from my case and certainly don't want to start a Syrenz bandwagon, I'm just pointing out that behavior found in half of the players cannot be a scumtell.
I completely agree, that's why I said "UNNECESSARY INFORMATION". I have never requested that no more information be shared at all. And I also agree that Vezok should be telling everything he knows. Please see post #172, where I flat-out said that "I support a Vezok full-claim."
I thought that was interesting in that it was either a massive attempt at mod-gaming or inside knowledge. However I didn't think it was necessarily a scum tell, and had no comment on it. Thus, "Hm".
Vezok, your posts aren't making sense. And "I don't know I don't care" isn't a good answer to an actual question. It definitely seemed like you know of the existence of some kind of cult, but now you know nothing? Please tell us everything you know about your role. Now. No "I know nothing" because you definitely seem to know something. Give us a precise paraphrase of what the mod told you. This is your only chance to win, because if you don't give us any information we will assume the worst and kill you today or tonight.
But having re-read (sorry guys, I missed that the first time), the only thing he did think might trigger it is night abilities. Now he says possibly lynch votes as well, but of course he might well be lying to get out of the lynch at this point. It seems like a vig shot would have a good chance of making him blow up, unless somebody roleblocked him that night (and the roleblock could affect this kind of ability). But the problem with this is you're assuming in this scenario that we have a cooperative vig and roleblocker. This is not necessarily true, therefore we can't just go with this plan.
In part one of this, you say I shouldn't be calling DKD scummy based on such an early post. In part two, you say that scumhunting is good and any discussion early on is productive. These two positions seem incompatible logically, as my first post was of the scumhunting, early discussion variety. Actually, my and OMT's posts were similar in that regard.
This term "fearmongering" is being thrown around a lot this game. I'm unsure how raising the possibility of a neutral turning on us is a bad thing, since it's absolutely a good thing to watch out for. And I'm not sure how raising suspicions of Vezok would help the scum, either.
Proof is impossible in a discussion-based game like this, and evidence is continually building from Day 1. Stronger cases can be made as the game goes on. Therefore, the decision of where to hunt is not based on finding a perfect case but on finding the best possible case at that time. Jobo was the best possible case at that time.
Right, that's because that was my third post of the game, during the early phase with little evidence. Permission to change my mind, sir?
Again this word. Yes, having two people claim in the first two real-life days of a game like this is bad. I am again unclear about why you think bolding or underlining it makes it "fearmongering".
Indifferent? I suggested we start a bandwagon on him. I forgot to vote and quickly remedied my error.
I had nothing to say on it, but want edit to be noted and inputted into the town consciousness as rather odd. Which it was. How exactly does the concept of a Freudian slip play into this?
Anyway, I think the case against me is unquestionably weak but it is true that our other options are limited. It seems like me, Zevok, and joboman are the three possibilities at this point. If I have indeed misunderstood Zevok's claim, he could be a good potential lynch. Joboman is giving off scum vibes but I've got to go through and see whether there's a true case or that's just me.
Is there a consensus that Vezok should do a complete claim now? If so, let's get that done.
This pretty much summarizes my opinion on the matter. There is one way a Vezok lynch makes sense today: if he is lying, and is actually scum. This is a possibility that we need to consider first, however, because it would not be a worthwhile lynch to take him out as a probably-harmful neutral.
To me, Ted doesn't seem like a scum character, and he's too likely to be in this game to comfortably falseclaim him (because of the chance of a counterclaim). Which is why I'm leaning towards Vezok telling the truth.
@People Voting/Paw of Suspicioning me: People voting me have for the most part just been saying things like "Hunted Charlie is probably scum" (AsianInvasion), "hm" (Syrenz), or "This last post was really, really bad." (joboman). So I'm just going to leave that until I have something substantial to respond to.
@Tacky: "Hm" as in, "OK, this gives me a lot of thought, and I am considering it very much, but there is nothing I feel should be said at this point".
@Everybody voting Vezok: Guys, stop! I'm fine with considering lynching him and thinking more about this, but don't vote him yet. If he is telling the truth that might cause unintended consequences. Use FOSes or something that won't cause game effects.
On falkonn's claim: Sigh. Well now the scum are sure to be hard at work on figuring out how to target you. That was just stupid, see above paragraph.
On joboman: I agree he's sorta just barning and staying quiet. Could just mean he's busy, but since we don't really have a ton of strong leads right now I guess he's the best we've got. Wagon I suppose?
On AsianInvasion: Yup, I do think we should stay watchful on vezokpiraka. And yes, I am not utterly convinced, like everybody else is, that DKD or OneMoreTime are definite town. I don't see these positions as issues in any way. To say I'm "super sure this guy is the scum!!!!!!1111" would just be a lie at this point. There isn't enough evidence yet for a strong wagon on anybody.
On Syrenz's guess of Sylar's abilities: Hm.
I think the smart play with vezokpiraka for now is to leave him alone, but be very careful not to forget him. It's important to remember that the scum could set him off if it seemed like it might benefit them, or he might side with scum if it helps him.
Sidenote: I stopped watching Heroes midway through Season 3, but I thought Ted was the only guy who ever managed to really hurt Claire? Something about that makes me nervous.
So vezokpiraka is out of the hunt. I'm not sure I agree with everybody saying DKD and OneMoreTime are definitely noob town, but it does seem like that's just as likely as noob scum. So I agree that there's no point bandwagoning against them now. Unvote
One more thought: OneMoreTime's posts #64 and #65 smell scummy too. They're calling attention away from the discussion to other players. "Hey look, a distraction!"
Does he normally play like this or is this really scummy? I'm calling "really scummy". He seems super nervous.