MTG Salvation

+1 for Cryogen to be on the CAG. As someone who owns LoA for Vintage purposes, I say bring it on....

Quote from arrogantAxolotl »

But now I have Golos! Oh boy, do I love this card. I was already salivating over Urza's ability to Mind's Desire for one, but for 2 mana more I get to Mind's Desire for three? On my Commander? I'm in heaven! It's like a mini Aminatou's Augury.

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim's ability is soooo much better than Urza, Lord High Artificer. Urza makes you shuffle your library prior to revealing the top card where Golos just takes the top 3. This is absolutely bonkers with something like Jace, the Mind Sculptor or Scroll Rack that allow you to manipulate the top of your library. Golos is ridiculous if you can cast it and activate it with any semblance of topdeck control, and the fact that it helps you get to the 7 mana required and gives you a shuffle to boot (allowing you to improve your Brainstorm effects) prior to activating it makes this a force to be reckoned with. This is good stuff.

Interesting news that it looks like MTG Salvation has found a buyer... of course, it also looks like the MTG Nexus website project is also well on its way. I was a little torn on which way to go, but then I looked at the Nexus site to check on progress and it has Fblthp on the 'coming soon' page. Fblthp!!!. Yeah, totally going over to Nexus now.... probably still lurk here somewhat, but I'm looking forward to a new beginning. Fblthp FTW.

Quote from Gashnaw II »

If you are running sliver but not going for tier 1, I say run all 5 legendary slivers (if you can, queen is around 200 bucks)

What annoys me is they have yet to reprint queen. They can, they reprinted reserved list cards before (granted it was from the vaults, but still a reprint)

They have since stated that they will no longer do this as of 2010 (last announcement can be found here), making any further reprints of Reserved List cards an extremely unlikely scenario going forward. It's sad; the Reserved List is an abomination that should be revoked, but I doubt that it ever will.

I think it depends a little bit about what you are trying to do with your Slivers deck. With Slivers now having 5 different options for a Commander, builds of the deck can now really diverge. It used to be that Sliver Overlord was the "combo general", Sliver Queen was the "control general", and Sliver Legion was the "aggro general". When they printed Sliver Hivelord, I pretty much saw it less as an option for being a general and more as an option to include in the maindeck to avoid Wrath effects.

With The First Sliver, you have a card that is useful in pretty much any version of the deck that you might come up with outside of 'Counter Slivers' or some really dedicated control lists. Since you describe your deck as all "Slivers, tutors, ramp, and removal", then there is zero downside to running it. Your ramp should be fixing your colors and getting you to 5 mana fast enough that it shouldn't be an issue to cast it when it matters, and when you do you can go from a clear board to an embarrassment of riches in a hurry (perfect for recovering from a board wipe). With that in mind, I think that the First Sliver would be amazing in aggro builds and would allow you to go off in combo builds with Aluren, Mana Echoes, Earthcraft, or Intruder Alarm shenanigans where casting free Slivers or netting mana from casting Slivers is a thing. If you are a more controllish build, then it might not be worth it but it doesn't sound like you are.

As for Morophon, the Boundless, I think that the card is great once it is in play but 7 mana is a lot unless you are ramping hard. And even then, once you get it out you have presumably already played the other cards in your hand and/or you have plenty of mana in play to cast whatever you may draw so the mana savings ability is somewhat moot. I think that you are right in looking at ways to cheat it into play, but I think that a Slivers deck really doesn't need what Morophon provides. On top of that, there are just plenty of other ways to cheat on mana in a deck like this when you combo out, so I would just skip it.

Quote from tstorm823 »

Oversold Cemetery


Used to see this card all the time, not so much lately. I'd say it was amazing back when the format was almost all fatties and boardwipes, but I don't want to oversell it.

Oversold Cemetery is one of my favorite cards ever. I still run it in a few decks that have sac/recur engines going (namely Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord and Endrek Sahr, Maser Breeder), and it rarely disappoints. One of my favorite competitive decks of all-time also ran Oversold Cemeery: GB Deathcloud during Onslaught-Mirrodin Standard.

Quote from toctheyounger77 »

It's cards like this that make me wonder if it's possible to theme a deck around onomatopoeia/nonsense words. There's a few good candidates:

Thud
Kaboom!
Shenanigans
Bamboozle


It's looking like an Izzet build, so as a bonus you could definitely fit Grozoth in there, and Vizzerdrix if you're desperate

You also get Crash, Crush, Boom // Bust, Zap, Flash, and Snap for more onomatopoeia, and for the nonsense/silly names I would add Twiddle, Twitch, Discombobulate, Runeboggle, Befuddle, Trickbind, Bewilder, Hoodwink, Jinx, Ovinize, Pongify, and Turn to Frog. Sounds like a horrible deck... fun, but horrible.

As for Bamboozle, I think that there are much better ways to self-mill or screw with the top of an opponent's deck and its just not worth the mana or the card for the effect, but if you needed to go really deep on this kind of effect then maybe (big maybe) this could see play.

Quote from 3drinks »

I'm gonna miss having that decade of history..... sniff

From what I have seen, the MTGS site will be archived. If this is true, you can link the archived thread to your new thread on the new site so that there is easy access to the history.

I admire the amount of effort everyone is already putting into making sure that important things like Primers get moved over to the new site. It is encouraging to know that the new site is already in good hands even if it hasn't even been announced yet... you guys are awesome.

Golems sound interesting. Its also interesting that the Golem generating cards are actually in Bant colors (Blade Splicer, Master Splicer, Sensor Splicer, Vital Splicer, Maul Splicer, Wing Splicer. Makes me wonder if something like Roon of the Hidden Realm might be a good fit. This way you can also run your token doublers like Doubling Season, Parallel Lives, etc., and you can use Roon to blink all those Splicers and other Golems with good ETB abilities (like Solemn Simulacrum, Meteor Golem, and Precursor Golem).

Otherwise, I totally see running Sydri, Galvanic Genius as you get tons of artifact synergy in Esper.

I am a big fan of Rhys, the Redeemed as a token commander. There is a link in my sig to my GW token deck with Rhys as the General that might give you some additional ideas. You can add Doubling Season and Primal Vigor to the list of effects that double up tokens.

The artifacts theme is a bit of a tougher stretch as GW has little synergy with artifacts. The exception however is Equipment, with cards like Stoneforge Mystic, Puresteel Paladin, Sram, Senior Edificer, etc., white can generate a lot of cool effects with Equipment. A good commander for that would be Nazahn, Revered Blacksmith, Arahbo, Roar of the World, or Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist if you wanted to stay GW.

Yes, having a Mycosynth Lattice in play will make everything that enters the battlefield trigger Mirrorworks. Minion Reflector is another option.

I think that the biggest challenge is going to be finding a way to make the token theme work with the artifact theme. I'm not so sure that the two are really that compatible, but challenges like this can sometimes make for some really interesting decks. At a minimum, just searching for cards can push you in the right direction.

Good luck!

So if you really want to melt some brains, I can tell you of the one time that we spent about 25 minutes trying to resolve an 52-permanent Warp World that put Grip of Chaos, Panharmonicon, Mycosynth Lattice, and Confusion in the Ranks into play with all 4 players still in a 4-player game. Resolving 104 random Confusion in the Ranks triggers and trying to keep track of which are legal targets are which are not, which cards have already been resolved, which triggers fail and which resolve, and makings sure we have a random number generator set to the right number of possibilities each time were all a colossal pain in the ass, but we wanted to see if we could do it right one time (or at least what we thought was right; we might of made up a few rules along the way). This was on top of resolving all the other ETB effects as well. Needless to say, my buddies Random Chaos deck doesn't get pulled out very often anymore (although he did redo it with Okaun, Eye of Chaos/Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom as the commanders), but when it does it is generally expected that something infinitely idiotic is just going to happen.

If you want to stay mono-red, then a list of some chaos cards to consider would be as follows:

If you also go with blue, you can add the following for consideration:

Quote from BloodyWednesday »

We are currently on the official mulligan rules, so it does affect us, at least until they state the opposite.

I forgot that the RC took out the format specific mulligan rules (which used to be Rule 6 I believe). We use Vancouver mulligans, but we still play with a free mulligan... some habits are hard to kick. I'm pretty sure it would be easy to transition to London mulligans and eliminate the free mulligan altogether.

Well it looks like the London Mulligan is the official mulligan rule for MTG upon the release of Core Set 2020 (announcement here). So will Commander change as well?

Quote from Hermes_ »

so you can only use the mana for abilities?

Pretty much. At the time it was printed, its main usage would have been to pay Echo or Upkeep costs.

Go GW Jasmine Boreal. You can use anthems, pump effects, and vanilla token generating spells along with the normal green ramp and white removal options. I think Jasmine Boreal would be better than Torsten Von Ursus or Sir Shandlar of Eberyn because she is cheaper to cast and easier to acquire as it was printed as a Time Shifted card in Time Spiral.

The other option is RG Jerrard of the Closed Fist (better than The Lady of the Mountain) with a similar theme (anthems, generating vanilla tokens, green ramp, and red removal), and even though you have less pump effects you gain some interesting potential options in red like Confusion in the Ranks.