MTG Salvation

Quote from Titanium Dragon

And no, stuff like Nantuko Shade, Rancor, Jackal Pup, Carnophage, Cabal Therapy, Spiritmonger, and Cursed Scroll will not be reprinted. And I doubt wretch will be reprinted in this set, just because none of the graveyard stuff has been broken or even dominant in the format. Not to mention they already have Leyline of the Void.

I agree that Rancor, Cabal Therapy, and the Scroll are never going to be reprinted, but I don't think Nantuko Shade or Spiritmonger are out of the realm of possibility. They are very good, but not broken. I don't think Carnophage will get reprinted because black generally doesn't get uber-efficient weenies anymore.

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Quote from ak1200

off the top of my head, the cards i'd love to see...
rancor
jackal pup
carnophage
mother of runes
cabal therapy
spiketail hatchling
river boa
gemstone mine
man-o'-war
rogue elephant

I agree with all of these, but I just can't see Rancor, Man-o-War, or Rogue Elephant being reprinted.

I'd also like to see
Scroll Rack
Sarcomancy
Silver Knight (although WW's 2cc slot is awful full)
Mutilate
Survival of the Fittest
Fetch lands
Skizzik
Barbarian Ring
Grim Lavamancer
Wall of Roots
Vindicate
Spiritmonger
Thunder Spirit
Gaea's Blessing
Nantuko Shade
and, because I can dream, Cursed Scroll (yes, I know it's broken and would do bad things to the format, but I really, really love this card).

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Quote from TraumaCpW

I havent read all 18 pages of this thread, So I dont know if it has been said already. But this card just screams "I BELONG IN EXTENDED TOOTH AND NAIL DECKS, PRONTO!!!!!!!!"

I thought the same. I can't wait to put it into my T&N deck. Hello Turn 4!!

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Quote from Titanium Dragon

They could potentially reprint Brain Freeze, but I doubt they will; I don't think they like storm.

Check the thread about the Scrye preview. Storm is back. So, they could reprint Brain Freeze, but my bet is they'll want to avoid reprinting a lot of the cards that have the old mechanics so they can print more new cards with the mechanics.

No flanking cards have been spoiled yet. I really want to see another haste flanker a la that guy from Mirage whose name escapes me and I can't look it up right now = I suck.

With the kobold generating land, I'm almost ready to bet we see Rogaah (or whatever his name is) return along with some other kobolds. It would be cool for goblins to take a break and have kobolds fill in.

Given that we have confirmed merfolk, Rootwater Thief and Merfolk Assassin could make a comeback.

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Quote from Tanthalas

Please tell me someone else spotted the irony...

Yup! Fact or Fiction has long been a tourney staple. I agree with the sentiment to some extent, but not the example.

I'm not sure what I want reprinted. Maybe Scroll Rack.

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Quote from Starlit_Halo

Why is everyone so dissappointed with 10th? Nothing is wrong with it so far... We have only seen a hand full of cards from it. So we can't already be saying that it's bad. What I'am saying is that you haven't even givin it a chance yet. Actually Core Sets are fun... for me that is.

Totally agreed here. Also, it seems like we are getting some quality cards in the set: Incinerate, Mogg Fanatic, Crucible of Worlds, Troll Ascetic,, and probably Platinum Angel. That's already looking pretty good to me.

The cards that get reprinted in core set after core set are generally iconic staples. They are cards that demonstrate to new players what each color can do, and some of them remain standard staples: Naturalize, Wrath of God. So, no, I don't think they should restart from scratch, and if they did, Wizards would likely think some of the oft-reprinted cards should go back in anyway.

I also don't want legends or multi-color in core. It's yet one more thing for a new player to learn at the beginning. This is already the most complicated game in history. We shouldn't be looking to make it harder for beginners to learn it. Also, I do like that legends only get printed in one set. It makes them more special and fits the flavor.

What I would like in core are fewer bad cards, like those artifacts that gain you life when you cast a spell of a cretain color (Demon's Horn, et. al., and some of the suckier auras.

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Quote from Uncle Icetvan »

protection has never been printed in a base set except for Paladin En-Vec that i know of. they would have to cram alot of text on the card to explain it also. i have to also ask if this is just a wish or you think it might or if you've heard things about it or not?

White Knight and Black Knight would like a word with you.

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I'm glad that sketch A Nekretaal prevailed. The second one was just so lame and laughable.

For this week, I voted:

Guardian Idol, but it was a close call. I like both cards.

Sketch B:When I voted I thought this was no contest. I can't believe people are actually voting for sketch A! It's boring! It's typical! Sketch B is interesting and full of menace. And for any of you that think it looks like a wolf, when is the last time you saw a wolf in the sky? Also, I dont' think you've ever seen a real wolf if you think that. That head is shaped much more like a bat's head. And, who cares if there is only one in the picture?

Flavor: Conrad, but I didn't like either very much. I prefer Dickinson in general.

One more week until the brand vote. I wonder what the card vs. card will be next week. We've done all the colors, a sorcery vs. a sorcery, an artifact vs. an artifact, and a YMTC vs. a YMTC. That probaboly leaves either enchantment vs. enchantment or land vs. land. Maybe it'll be Quicksand vs. Desert.

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I the fourth one is definitely a dragon. What's more: the litttle creatures around him look like other dragons. Maybe this is a dragon lord or a dragon that makes other dragons. That would be great, except that it will be too mana intensive to see play.

I have no input on the other pictures, except that the angel looks great and the others are meh.

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Quote from lerabu »

A black bordered core set would be nice.

That would probably piss off collectors. I like the white-bordered core set. It sets apart instantly from the expansions and makes the original versions more special.

I think it will be the expansion symbol, but maybe it could be something truly wacky, like changing the rarity distribution in boosters, the number of cards in boosters, etc.

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Poker and Spektro: Yeah, I wasn't really thinking of limited when I made the X-spells comment. They probably would make draft unfun. I just hate that some of the things I think of as commons are now taking up precious uncommon spots when I open packs. Maybe I should think of it as payback for opening a Plateau and a Taiga back in the day.

I kind of like Horror of Horrors but I've never actually used it for anything, so that could get replaced with something, maybe Order of Yawgmoth or Drekavac. I don't mind the Drudge, although, again, I tend to think of it as a common.

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Quote from Cloud_821 »

OMFG, l33t speak just got dumber >_>.

All joking aside, I'd really like to see some of the less powerful cards get replaced with "too powerful" versions. For example:

Rewind with Dismiss. This COULD happen, since they gave us this vote in Selecting 8th and we were dumb enough to get it wrong.
Mana Leak with Memory Lapse. Somewhat unlikely, but Lapse isn't that much stronger than Remand (instead of you drawing, they skip drawing; you still get CA).
Blackmail with Duress (I can dream!) or more likely, Addle (another vote we screwed up).
Cruel Edict with Diabolic Edict. Do not tell me that changing to an instant and being able to target the controller makes a card broken. Diabolic Edict is strong, not broken.
Dissipate or Hinder. WotC can claim that a vanilla counterspell costs 1UU all they want, but until they actually print one, I'm not going to believe them. Dissipate and Hinder have very similiar functions in that they both prevent cards from going to the 'yard. Obviously RFG is a little stronger, but not enough for it to be unprintable.
Wildfire with Flamebreak. This is a case of "Troll WILL be strong. Flamebreak will always deal with it unless it's been pumped. Wildfire won't."
Remove Soul with Exclude. Do I need to explain?
Lastly, Sleight of Hand with Brainstorm. I don't understand why some of you think it's too powerful. Ok, fine, it triggers Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind three times for one mana at instant-speed, but Niv will only be legal for three months after 10th is legal. In some ways, it's weaker than Telling Time, since you have to put two cards on top.

I'd also like to see one of Barter in Blood, Infest or Mutilate in place of Plague Wind.

I'd really like to see Flamebreak, also. As a bonus, it hits players, so it helps deal damage out quickly. I know it hits the controller too, but if you are playing sometype of Sligh or RDW, that doesn't matter too much.

I do think Brainstorm is too powerful for core. It's pretty ridiculous. I can see Telling Time making it instead of Sleight.

I'd love to see Mutilate make the core set, but it probably won't. I think White is the color that gets equilateral sweepers. Barter in Blood would be very cool.

Remove Soul definitely needs to be replaced with Exclude, but I doubt it will. I agree with getting rid of Highway Robber for the zombie.

I'd like to see Imaginary Pet get replaced by something. Maybe Cerulean Sphinx? I hate the Pet.

If there is an enchantment subtheme or theme going on, it would be fun to have the five embraces from Urza block back: Serra's Embrace, Shiv's Embrace, Zephid's Embrace, Gaea's Embrace, and Vampiric Embrace. They aren't that great, but they are fun for limited and casual. I don't know what they would replace.

I'd also really like Regeneration, Stream of Life, and the circles returned to commons. They take up uncommon slots that could be used for better cards. I learned the game with those as commons and I didn't get confused or frustrated. X-spells can be commons; they aren't that complicated.

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Quote from salomar »

Anyways, I don't really agree with your list, so here goes. Starting with Mirrodin block:
The swords are just too good. They've seen a fair amount of play (and still do I guess). I'm more inclined to see something like Fireball or Pristine Angel. But nah.. not the swords. Same goes for Eternal Witness. She's TOO good, she won't be reprinted. If they reprint a reclaim-like card, it'll be Recollect. That's the type of card that fits white-bordered imo.

Kamigawa block:
I guess you really want powerful cards to be reprinted... Gifts won't be reprinted either. Maybe we could see Ghostly Prison? Betrayers... Flames is possible imo. Saviors, nope not Promise imo, but may be possible. After all it's just guessing :).

Ravnica block:
Yes, Char is possible, but like I suggested above, it may be Recollect or maybe Peel from Reality. I think this set has tons of possible 10th reprints. Guildpact is quite hard imo.. maybe Crash Landing? Dissension will definetely be Condemn. Fully agree there :).

Yeah, the Swords probably are too powerful. Ditto the Witness, but maybe at the rare level? Recollect and Peel do seem like good core staples, but Char copies an Alpha card (Psionic Blast) but now in the correct color. So, it could move to core. I thought about Crash Landing and Silhana Ledgewalker, too.

Glad to get some discussion on this topic.

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This thread seems to have become about whether or not Un-sets should make it into core, which does not seem to be the original intent. For the record, I hate the Un-sets and hope we never see them in core.

Here's my list of a card from each set that should make it into core. Some of these have been reprinted previously. I tried to make the list of only cards that could actually make it, so no multicolor, legends, set mechanics, or broken cards.

Arabian Nights: Old Man of the Sea or Khabal Ghoul. Neither is really broken and both highlight their color's themes.
Antiquities: Transmute Artifact
Legends: Thunder Spirit. One of my all-time favorite creatures. I love White Weenie.
The Dark: Goblin Wizard. Hard to pick from this sub-par set. This is an interesting goblin.
Fallen Empires: Order of Leitbur because Hymn to Tourach has no chance.
Ice Age: Zuran Orb
Alliances: Ivory Gargoyle. Another favorite creature.
Coldsnap: Adarkar Valkyrie. I'm a sucker for angels.
Mirage: Dissipate. Probably too good to get reprinted, but it's a fantastic counter.
Visions: Natural Order. Secret Force is fun to play.
Weatherlight: Gaea's Blessing. A multi-faceted card.
Tempest: A tough set to choose from, because there is so much good stuff here. I doubt Cursed Scroll could make it to core, so I'm torn between Scroll Rack and Coffin Queen.
Stronghold: Horn of Greed. Give Howling Mine a rest.
Exodus: Survival of the Fittest. This is probably too good and would create hell in Extended. Still, it's a great card and not as bad as Oath of Druids.
Urza's Saga: Sneak Attack for the win. Like Tempest, there is too much to choose from.
Urza's Legacy: Weatherseed Treefolk. The manlands are also really great. This set rocks!
Urza's Destiny: Phyrexian Negator. May not be as broken without Dark Ritual around.
Mercadian Masks: Ick! Um, Bribery, I guess.
Nemesis: Ick again. Kill Switch might be fun.
Prophecy: Avatar of Woe. Introduces alternate casting costs to the core set.
Invasion: Crypt Angel because I like angels and it demonstrates allied colors.
Planeshift: Flametongue Kavu. I can dream, right?
Apocalypse: There is little here that fits into a core set. I'm going with Penumbra Wurm, but it's probably not a good core card.
Odyessey: Haunting Echoes.
Torment: Nantuko Shade. Another favorite creature.
Judgement: Browbeat, but that's because there is a lack of anything here that goes in core. Maybe the incarnations?
Onslaught: The fetchlands, of course.
Legions: Caller of the Claw.
Scourge: The best cards have non-core mechanics, so Call to the Grave.
Mirrodin: Oblivion Stone. I miss the days of Nevinyrral's Disk.
Darksteel: Sword of Light and Shadow and Sword of Fire and Ice.
Fifth Dawn: Eternal Witness because what else can you possibly pick?
Champions: Gifts Ungiven. A highly strategic and interactive card. Promotes interesting decks and is splashable.
Betrayers: Flames of the Blood Hand for lack of anything better.
Saviors: Promise of Bunrei. Seems very white to me and makes ***ging lots of fun.
Ravnica: Char. This card has core set written all over it.
Guildpact: Plagued Rusalka. Not much here for core.
Dissension: Condemn because it's the closest we'll ever get to StP. I wouldn't argue with Spell Snare either.

Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a reject for going through the list of every set and seeing what's there?

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Math in Magic can already get complicated and tedious, and now you want to add in raising variables to powers? Eh, not a good idea, IMO.

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