Hey guys, things in work and personal life have not allowed me much of a thought about Magic since the last time I posted here. I hope you guys forgive me for starting a project I can't complete. I don't know if I'll be coming back to the forum any time soon. Anyway, I hope you guys continue to have a blast crafting amazing draft environments everywhere. Love you all, even those of you I disagreed with.
I can see this card doing work, but the mana cost is really the worst part of it. It needs to compete with one of the most competitive slots in Magic history.
For what it's worth, I think one mana cantrips are often more powerful in small cubes (especially when trying to do broken stuff, especially storm stuff) more than most 4 drops.
I'll make an exception for LucidVision and get his votes in here, it's gonna take me a bit to recalc things. No more submissions after this point though.
Can you return your manifest cards to your hand ? If so, Waterfront Bouncer might play well with Manifest cards as a clunky way to cycle. Crystal Shard and Erratic Portal both like this too.
Voters do not need to vote for 10 total cards for each category.
If you can't think of enough blue creatures (for example), you don't have to add more cards to your list you're not sure of.
You may choose to opt out of voting for 10 total cards for whatever reason.
Functionally identical cards do not take up multiple spots on the Top 10.
I'll accept differences between anything where it could matter. Elite Vanguard works with Champion of the Parish, Xanthrid Necromancer, etc -- so ranking Savannah Lions lower than the human 2/1 is acceptable. Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves, however, should be combined into one vote, as they are functionally identical.
Votes are done from a CUBE MANAGEMENT perspective.
Order cards based on their importance to your cube environment.
You may include cards that are not currently in your cube. It shouldn't make much of a difference one way or the other.
You can edit your list as many times as you like until tallies are taken.
TEMPLATE: Please write the card name to the left of = # points (this speeds up compiling data by over 100%, since I'll be able to alphabetically sort cards together).
This thread will be tallied on TUESDAY, Jan 27th.
You can edit or submit your list any time before Tuesday @ 7pm EST (UTC-5).
THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT. I JUST COPY/PASTED WITHOUT LOOKING.
CREATURES:
White (13)
Creature (13)
Banisher Priest
Blade Splicer
Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Fiend Hunter
Flickerwisp
Frontline Medic
Kor Sanctifiers
Mentor of the Meek
Mirran Crusader
Mirror Entity
Silverblade Paladin
Soltari Champion
Porcelain Legionnaire
Blue (10)
Creature (10)
Aether Adept
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Man-o'-War
Pestermite
Sea Gate Oracle
Serendib Efreet
Trinket Mage
True-Name Nemesis
Vendilion Clique
Thassa, God of the Sea
Black (9)
Creature (9)
Bone Shredder
Fleshbag Marauder
Geralf's Messenger
Hypnotic Specter
Lifebane Zombie
Ophiomancer
Phyrexian Rager
Vampire Nighthawk
Herald of Torment
Red (8)
Anger of the Gods
Arc Lightning
Flames of the Firebrand
Molten Rain
Pillage
Rift Bolt
Slagstorm
Wheel of Fortune
Enchantment (1)
Sulfuric Vortex
Artifact (1)
Hammer of Purphoros
Green (8)
Instant (3)
Beast Within
Harrow
Krosan Grip
Sorcery (4)
Call of the Herd
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Search for Tomorrow
Enchantment (1)
Awakening Zone
Multicolor (10)
Azorius (1)
Detention Sphere
Dimir (1)
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Rakdos (1)
Blightning
Gruul (1)
Domri Rade
Orzhov (2)
Mortify
Vindicate
Golgari (3)
Putrefy
Maelstrom Pulse
Pernicious Deed
Izzet (1)
Electrolyze
Colorless (18)
Artifact (18)
Basalt Monolith
Chromatic Lantern
Coalition Relic
Crucible of Worlds
Crystal Shard
Darksteel Ingot
Grafted Wargear
Loxodon Warhammer
Mimic Vat
Oblivion Stone
Sword of Body and Mind
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of War and Peace
Tangle Wire
Vedalken Shackles
Worn Powerstone
It's not that bad, haha. I'm actually going to allow voting to continue until tomorrow at 7pm, just so if anyone wants to get in some extra votes, they can. I'm actually swamped at the moment too.
Yeah, I think classification is a tricky issue, and that little sentence about being able to vote for whatever you want solves a lot of problems, since if we miss something and a ton of people want to vote for a card a certain way, they can.
My list. I've been putting it off because I haven't wanted to influence voting too much since it's my project. Maybe I'll vote first next time and see if it encourages more people to vote. Maybe everyone is saving up for a flurry of posts on Monday.
WHITE
Stoneforge Mystic = 10 points.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben = 9 points.
Imposing Sovereign = 8 points.
Wall of Omens= 7 points.
Kor Skyfisher= 6 points.
Soltari Trooper= 5 points.
Seeker of the Way = 4 points.
Accorder Paladin = 3 points.
Cloistered Youth = 2 points.
Lone Missionary = 1 point.
He was in my article. Hits like a truck. If you support an Izzet spells matters theme (the guttersnipe.dec) I suggest giving him a spin.
Is anyone not including this package? I think this deck is awesome, and this dude is definitely incredible in it. I'm gonna add Delver of Secrets soon just for testing.
<3 Colby
Goblin Guide isn't even on the list. Figure of Destiny is not better than Goblin Guide.
You could give him a try and report back to us how he does at 450 with 63 humans + him.
I think there are plenty of people around that have a renewed interest in this guy.
Spectral Procession = white creature.
Willbender = blue creature.
Herald of Torment = black creature.
Boon Satyr = green creature.
Call of the Herd = green creature.
Phyrexian Metamorph = colorless creature.
Squee, Goblin Nabob = colorless creature.
Notable cards which are commonly classified as 3 cmc SPELLS:
Crystal Shard = blue spell.
Vedalken Shackles = blue spell.
Thassa, God of the Sea = blue spell.
Slaughter Pact = black spell.
Birthing Pod = green spell.
Krosan Tusker = green spell.
If you can't think of enough blue creatures (for example), you don't have to add more cards to your list you're not sure of.
You may choose to opt out of voting for 10 total cards for whatever reason.
Functionally identical cards do not take up multiple spots on the Top 10.
I'll accept differences between anything where it could matter.
Elite Vanguard works with Champion of the Parish, Xanthrid Necromancer, etc -- so ranking Savannah Lions lower than the human 2/1 is acceptable.
Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves, however, should be combined into one vote, as they are functionally identical.
Votes are done from a CUBE MANAGEMENT perspective.
Order cards based on their importance to your cube environment.
You may include cards that are not currently in your cube. It shouldn't make much of a difference one way or the other.
You can edit your list as many times as you like until tallies are taken.
TEMPLATE:
Please write the card name to the left of = # points (this speeds up compiling data by over 100%, since I'll be able to alphabetically sort cards together).
White:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Blue:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Black:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Red:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Green:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Multicolored:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Colorless
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
White:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Blue:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Black:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Red:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Green:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Multicolored:
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
Colorless
= 10 points.
= 9 points.
= 8 points.
= 7 points.
= 6 points.
= 5 points.
= 4 points.
= 3 points.
= 2 points.
= 1 point.
You can edit or submit your list any time before Tuesday @ 7pm EST (UTC-5).
THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT. I JUST COPY/PASTED WITHOUT LOOKING.
CREATURES:
White (13)
Creature (13)
Banisher Priest
Blade Splicer
Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Fiend Hunter
Flickerwisp
Frontline Medic
Kor Sanctifiers
Mentor of the Meek
Mirran Crusader
Mirror Entity
Silverblade Paladin
Soltari Champion
Porcelain Legionnaire
Blue (10)
Creature (10)
Aether Adept
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Man-o'-War
Pestermite
Sea Gate Oracle
Serendib Efreet
Trinket Mage
True-Name Nemesis
Vendilion Clique
Thassa, God of the Sea
Black (9)
Creature (9)
Bone Shredder
Fleshbag Marauder
Geralf's Messenger
Hypnotic Specter
Lifebane Zombie
Ophiomancer
Phyrexian Rager
Vampire Nighthawk
Herald of Torment
Red (8)
Creature (8)
Ball Lightning
Chandra's Phoenix
Goblin Rabblemaster
Goblin Ruinblaster
Guttersnipe
Hell's Thunder
Manic Vandal
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Green (9)
Creature (9)
Eternal Witness
Ohran Viper
Reclamation Sage
Troll Ascetic
Viridian Shaman
Wolfir Avenger
Yavimaya Elder
Boon Satyr
Courser of Kruphix
Multicolor (15)
Azorius (1)
Geist of Saint Traft
Dimir (3)
Nightveil Specter
Psychatog
Shadowmage Infiltrator
Gruul (1)
Boggart Ram-Gang
Selesnya (3)
Kitchen Finks
Knight of the Reliquary
Loxodon Smiter
Orzhov (1)
Sin Collector
Golgari (2)
Dreg Mangler
Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Simic (3)
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Trygon Predator
Shardless Agent
Boros (1)
Boros Reckoner
Colorless (1)
Creature (1)
Palladium Myr
White (8)
Planeswalker (1)
Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Sorcery (3)
Council's Judgment
Lingering Souls
Spectral Procession
Enchantment (3)
Banishing Light
Glorious Anthem
Oblivion Ring
Artifact (1)
Spear of Heliod
Blue (11)
Planeswalker (1)
Jace Beleren
Instant (7)
Capsize
Dissipate
Dissolve
Forbid
Forbidden Alchemy
Frantic Search
Thirst for Knowledge
Sorcery (3)
Compulsive Research
Show and Tell
Tinker
Black (12)
Planeswalker (1)
Liliana of the Veil
Instant (3)
Dismember
Hero's Downfall
Slaughter Pact
Sorcery (4)
Buried Alive
Read the Bones
Toxic Deluge
Yawgmoth's Will
Enchantment (4)
Necromancy
Necropotence
Phyrexian Arena
Recurring Nightmare
Red (14)
Instant (4)
Brimstone Volley
Chaos Warp
Char
Staggershock
Sorcery (8)
Anger of the Gods
Arc Lightning
Flames of the Firebrand
Molten Rain
Pillage
Rift Bolt
Slagstorm
Wheel of Fortune
Enchantment (1)
Sulfuric Vortex
Artifact (1)
Hammer of Purphoros
Green (8)
Instant (3)
Beast Within
Harrow
Krosan Grip
Sorcery (4)
Call of the Herd
Cultivate
Kodama's Reach
Search for Tomorrow
Enchantment (1)
Awakening Zone
Multicolor (10)
Azorius (1)
Detention Sphere
Dimir (1)
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Rakdos (1)
Blightning
Gruul (1)
Domri Rade
Orzhov (2)
Mortify
Vindicate
Golgari (3)
Putrefy
Maelstrom Pulse
Pernicious Deed
Izzet (1)
Electrolyze
Colorless (18)
Artifact (18)
Basalt Monolith
Chromatic Lantern
Coalition Relic
Crucible of Worlds
Crystal Shard
Darksteel Ingot
Grafted Wargear
Loxodon Warhammer
Mimic Vat
Oblivion Stone
Sword of Body and Mind
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of War and Peace
Tangle Wire
Vedalken Shackles
Worn Powerstone
Blue:
1. Ancestral Recall (10.0)
2. Mystical Tutor (8.38)
3. Ponder (7.38)
4. Preordain (7.00)
5. Brainstorm (6.50)
6. Force Spike (5.50)
7. Ancestral Vision (4.71)
8. Personal Tutor (3.4)
9. Serum Visions (2.75)
10. Vapor Snag (2.67) [PLURALITY]
I would imagine in terms of card manipulation, the next 1 cmc spell under this is Sleight of Hand.
Stoneforge Mystic = 10 points.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben = 9 points.
Imposing Sovereign = 8 points.
Wall of Omens= 7 points.
Kor Skyfisher= 6 points.
Soltari Trooper= 5 points.
Seeker of the Way = 4 points.
Accorder Paladin = 3 points.
Cloistered Youth = 2 points.
Lone Missionary = 1 point.
BLUE
Snapcaster Mage = 10 points.
Phantasmal Image = 9 points.
Looter il-Kor = 8 points.
Spellskite = 7 points.
Waterfront Bouncer = 6 points.
Gilded Drake = 5 points.
Riftwing Cloudskate = 4 points.
Omenspeaker = 3 points.
Ninja of the Deep Hours = 2 points.
Coralhelm Commander = 1 point.
BLACK
Dark Confidant = 10 points.
Pack Rat = 9 points.
Bloodghast = 8 points.
Reassembling Skeleton = 7 points.
Dauthi Horror = 6 points.
Oona's Prowler = 5 points.
Nezumi Graverobber = 4 points.
Vampire Hexmage = 3 points.
Blood Scrivener = 2 points.
Mardu Skullhunter = 1 point.
RED
Young Pyromancer = 10 points.
Stormblood Berserker = 9 points.
Plated Geopede = 8 points.
Generator Servant = 7 points.
Keldon Marauders = 6 points.
Hellspark Elemental = 5 points.
Ash Zealot = 4 points.
Lightning Mauler = 3 points.
Eidolon of the Great Revel = 2 point.
Kargan Dragonlord = 1 point.
GREEN
Fauna Shaman = 10 points.
Lotus Cobra = 9 points.
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary = 8 points.
Scavenging Ooze = 7 points.
Wild Mongrel = 6 points.
Wall of Blossoms = 5 points.
Wall of Roots = 4 points.
Sakura-Tribe Elder = 3 points.
Tarmogoyf = 2 points.
Sylvan Caryatid = 1 points.
MULTICOLORED
Nightscape Familiar = 10 points.
Goblin Electromancer = 9 points.
Baleful Strix = 8 points.
Qasali Pridemage = 7 points.
Voice of Resurgence = 6 points.
Lotleth Troll = 5 points.
Tidehollow Sculler = 4 points.
Spike Jester = 3 points.
Putrid Leech = 2 points.
Kiora’s Follower = 1 points.
COLORLESS
Porcelain Legionnaire = 10 points.
Lore Seeker = 9 points.
Phyrexian Revoker = 8 points.
Perilous Myr = 7 points.
Agent of Acquisitions = 6 points.
Epochrasite = 5 points.
Arcbound Ravager = 4 points.
Steel Overseer = 3 point.
Mortarpod = 2 points.
Balance = 10 points.
Disenchant = 9 points.
Journey to Nowhere = 8 points.
Seal of Cleansing = 7 points.
Temporal Isolation = 6 points.
Eternal Dragon = 5 points.
Revoke Existence = 4 points.
Abeyance = 3 point.
Pacifism = 2 points.
Honor of the Pure = 1 points.
BLUE
Time Walk = 10 points.
Mana Drain = 9 points.
Counterspell = 8 points.
Remand = 7 points.
Miscalculation = 6 points.
Mana Leak = 5 points.
Impulse = 4 points.
Brain Freeze = 3 points.
Memory Lapse = 2 points.
Snap = 1 point.
BLACK
Demonic Tutor = 10 points.
Cabal Ritual = 9 points.
Bitterblossom = 8 points.
Animate Dead = 7 points.
Hymn to Tourach = 6 points.
Diabolic Edict = 5 points.
Exhume = 4 points.
Dance of the Dead = 3 points.
Sinkhole = 2 points.
Night’s Whisper – 1 point.
RED
Magma Jet = 10 points.
Arc Trail = 9 points.
Incinerate = 8 points.
Lightning Strike/Searing Spear = 7 points.
Grapeshot = 6 points.
Shrine of Burning Rage = 5 points.
Recoup = 4 points.
Pyroclasm = 3 points.
Desperate Ritual = 2 points.
Mizzium Mortars – 1 point.
GREEN
Survival of the Fittest = 10 points.
Channel = 9 points.
Oath of Druids = 8 points.
Regrowth = 7 points.
Sylvan Library = 6 points.
Farseek = 5 points.
Explore = 4 points.
Life from the Loam = 3 points.
Moment’s Peace = 2 points.
Nostalgic Dreams = 1 point.
MULTICOLORED
Dreadbore = 10 points.
Izzet Charm = 9 points.
Lim-Dul’s Vault = 8 points.
Manamorphose = 7 points.
Fire // Ice = 6 points.
Lightning Helix = 5 points.
Abrupt Decay = 4 points.
Boros Charm = 3 points.
Squandered Resources = 2 points.
Ancient Grudge = 1 point.
COLORLESS
Umezawa’s Jitte = 10 points.
Grim Monolith = 9 points.
Time Vault = 8 points.
Mind Stone = 7 points.
Winter Orb = 6 points.
Ankh of Mishra = 5 points.
Helm of Awakening = 4 points.
Isochron Scepter = 3 points.
Scroll Rack = 2 points.
Ratchet Bomb = 1 point.
Whoops. I re-worded that sentence and forgot to delete a "not." The sentence reads better to my intended meaning without that "not."