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    posted a message on Maro confirms strixhaven is no Reskin of any version of “magic school” and a bottom up set
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    Relax, he didn't say anything about not using tropes. He's just saying it's not a reskin of an existing property. Like how Theros is a reskin of greek mythology rather than being their own take on mythology as a medium.

    Will it have deus ex machina spells, and important objects to drive the story, and guilds/houses/dark wizards/fantastic beasts? Yes. Because this is their take on the genre and those are tropes that exist in the genre. He just literally means (and literally says) there isn't going to be reskins aka intentional parallel versions of any one of the existing magic school takes.


    The problem here is that people already associate wizard schools with things outside of MTG. I am reluctant to say that this won't feel like Harry Potter or something similar, because humans are creatures that observe patterns and make associations based on them.

    It will feel like Harry Potter *and* something similar. It will feel like Harry Potter in the same way other magic school stories feel like Harry Potter and the same way Harry Potter feels like other magic school stories.
    I'm not sure what the confusion is about. Remember Innistrad? That was also a genre-based setting. It felt like Dracula, and the Wolfman, and Frankenstein and a number of other stories of the like. But it wasn't a reskin of any of those stories, it was it's own world and story that used a combination of familiar elements. Expect something similar here.

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    Really, there isn't a good way to do this without it having a Harry Potter feel anymore than it is possible to remove Mindflayers from the feel of Cthulu, Theros from Greek Mythos, Ixalan from Un'Goro, etc.

    See, Ixalan is actually a perfect comparison here, because it's not based on Un'Goro, it's based a classic subgenre of 'lost world' stories including Marvel's Savage Land, the Dinotopia series, and the original Lost World by Arthur Conan Doyle.
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    posted a message on Secret Lair: Black is Magic
    This is a very *fun* thread. Smile We're all having a great time. Smile
    Wish these conversations could be had without going quite this far off the rails.
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    posted a message on [KHM] "Rapacious Hawk" and "Dread Rider"— Magic Noobz previews
    You forgot to write out flying on the hawk.

    Hawk looks kinda good.
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    posted a message on [KLD] Kaldheim realm pictures
    I'm interested to hear how the Immersturm is here when it has been listed as being a place/thing on a separately named plane of Valla. Has Valla been ret-conned out of existence? Or has it somehow a part of Kaldheim (yet not one of the realms?)? Is there two immersturms?
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    posted a message on [KHM] Leak. Vorinclex, Monstrous rider
    Relevant to gauging how many phyrexian cards we can expect (assuming this leak is correct)
    https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/638595481981894656/hey-mark-got-an-unconventionalhmm-good-unset#notes
    Hey Mark, got an unconventional(hmm good Unset name idea..) question for you about watermarks(such as the guilds in Ravnica or the set symbols from Masters 25):

    How many cards in a set does it take to make using the watermark a worthwhile effort?


    It’s more about theming and factioning than a set number, but in general, I think you need at least ten to fifteen cards needing a watermark before we’d even think about it.


    This would seem to indicate we can expect a good ten or so phyrexian cards, though I think this set might be a good example of the kind of exception that is covered under that 'in general' clause.
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    posted a message on [KHM] Leak. Vorinclex, Monstrous rider
    Throwing phyrexians in seems...unlikely. We haven't been back to Mirrodin New Phyrexia yet or had much hints at them beginning a plane crossing invasion yet. And this set already has some clear story conflicts and themes, the phyrexians are just going to overshadow all of that.
    Compared to Eldritch Moon, there we had the advantage of a whole previous block and the Shadows over Innistrad set being essentially just Innistrad based. And with Amonkhet we had the first set before the Bolas stuff went off the wall. This is our very first introduction to Kaldheim and there's Phyrexians already? That seems like a mistake, and one WotC would not likely make.
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    posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    The two who are losing their collective composure are both activists. It's not going to merit rational discussion. They'll flag any opposition as 'hate speech' or 'trolling/flaming' and find new reasons to become repetitively triggered. Wizards dropped the ball on the new set and I hope we get something more than just check box planeswalkers and legends.

    You know, it's very kind of you to flatter me by calling me an activist. Here I thought I was just saying some ***** online. I'm glad my words have had such an impact on some people to warrant this praise.
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    posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    Quote from Creedmoor »
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Y'all really sounding like Jussie Smollett with these delusions.

    The idea that far-right groups use Norse symbology is a demonstrable fact. The actual Nazis used a bunch of them- the whole idea of the Aryan race was linked with this sort of history.
    This isn't a debatable point.


    You're saying that the Nazi's abused the Norse culture to generate their own ideas. That's a cultural rape and invalid. The Nazi part also stole a bhuddist symbol as their own. Norse mythology and Nazi beliefs are independent. They're not related, and if you claim they are its only because a group of people bastardized them into something else.

    Believe it or not, this happens a lot. Look at ISIS, the KKK, and other groups of extremists. Please do not bring these groups into discussion on these forums. These people are not a representation of actual culture and certainly have nothing to so with the FICTIONAL magic worlds in the card game.

    We are strictly talking about the fictional MtG world that they have designed for us.

    Your choice of comparison is poor, dare I say the point I'm making is even more obvious in this case than in the original context. As Flossedbeaver already touched upon, when you use the swastika in the modern-day, you have to be mindful of the nazi connection, regardless of the nazi's usage of it being 'invalid' or whatever else you want it call it. Similarly, when you're making a set full of Norse cultural elements, you have to be mindful of the fact that many of those elements have a fascist connection.
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    posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    More woke garbage. So how long before we get pink and purple as official colors to the mana pie? Jfc

    You know, I wasn't previously all that into the idea of adding purple, but you know, now I might just be on board with it. What a good idea.
    Please keep the suggestions coming.
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    posted a message on Two new planeswalkers Niko Aris and Tyvar Kell (bio only)
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Quote from DJK3654 »

    The idea that far-right groups use Norse symbology is a demonstrable fact. The actual Nazis used a bunch of them- the whole idea of the Aryan race was linked with this sort of history.
    This isn't a debatable point.
    Reaching sis. Y'all looking for racism anywhere you can find it, and inventing/baiting it anywhere you can't. Spare us your white guilt, not all of us are American, and creating new people to bully (even your own) isn't changing the past, but retooling those sins to create new victims. You haven't seen real oppression in the modern era, and you shouldn't want to. Your intentions are admirable, but it's really holding us all back by reviving old tensions. It's very convienent for liberals to occupy the nation with old, dated and mostly expired racial emotions (tried and true) to overlook how increasing taxes for them to pocket hasn't actually made any difference except create new avenues for our bloated government to curiously churn out millionaire politicians.

    If you like to spend 15 actual seconds on google, you can find clear evidence for the fact the nazis did in fact use a bunch of runic symbols and others have continued to do so on some scale. This is a fact.
    Now, what should we do about this fact with regards to a norse themed set? Well, that's a different question. But we can say for a fact Nazis and Nazi-likes will be interested in this stuff for all the wrong reasons, and I don't know, maybe that's something to just consider for a second in how we approach the subject.
    All that was being suggested was that including black people and LGBT+ people in a Norse world was a strike against giving fascists what they want from this sort of world, and you know, that sounds like a nice thing to do.

    Nice tangent into tax policy(?!?) though.
    No one cares.

    MTGSalvation: "Norse Myth World! Can't wait to see snow, Vikings, gods, etc.!"

    Liberal NPCs: "How can we make this about Racism? It's the only algorithm we can run in our minds!"

    And they call me negative.

    WotC: "Here are some inclusive characters for this new Norse world that increase the game's representation"
    Some people: "Hey, that representation has additional meaning in this context given history"
    You: "Everyone always making things about racism"

    I'm sorry that racism and other prejudices exist buddy. It sucks, I know.
    If you don't want to talk about discrimination, you don't have to. You don't have to scream at people for daring to mention it. Sometimes it comes up. That's it. No one's calling the entire world concept bigoted. No one's saying anything of the sort.
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