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  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    It's mostly a role-player: you don't want it unless you support archetypes which mesh with it. I have not had an issue and it being something of a low pick for others also means you can trust to have a decent chance of wheeling it. Of course, in the late game, the Megamorph can have some value even if the rate is pretty terrible by itself, even when split in two. I'd say that if I was considering some cut for Siege Striker, Aven Sunstriker would likely be among the main candidates still.
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  • posted a message on [Off-Topic] P&P Community Thread
    And does that change anything in terms of the arguments involved? At no point did I say 'you don't get it because X which I assume about you' (i.e. an ad hominem fallacy). It was a thought experiment - for the purposes of one, whether a person is in fact a person of colour or not has little bearing outside how directly it ends up corresponding to their experience. But it was also not a thought experiment on just taking the perspective of a PoC but being one in a situation like the one being described and also how the motivation would be to minimise chances for interactions of the kind being described. The argument does not hinge on such matters either way but it acts as a reminder of how some demographics being subjected to such situations would be more vulnerable to being made relevantly uncomfortable by them (i.e. reducing their engagement with the game and consumption of related products since WotC mainly cares for its bottom line). Let's say I did not mention said detail as part of the scenario. That risks distancing whoever is conceiving the situation from the relevant factors, which is not a failure of the argument as such since the points would still stand but it would be ineffective in practice if they missed the point as a result.
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  • posted a message on [Off-Topic] P&P Community Thread
    It's fine to point that out; I was mostly addressing Phitt with the example, though I will admit I made the assumption based on their rhetoric that they would be unlikely to be a Person of Colour.

    Do note, however, that the 'speaker' in that instance is WotC. On a related note, I was considering earlier how interesting it is that people who claim that the changes they elected to make to their game are wrong since that was a statement made on part of WotC which may not be literal speech in the usual sense but certainly constitutes an expression of the values they want to project as a company. It is fine to criticise, of course - and that applies in both directions - but a decent amount of the time, the feel that gets conveyed is that those complaining are making the claim that WotC should not make such statements which is a form of attempted silencing in that respect (not censorship; the two are distinct). It is, to say the least, hypocritical, given the (usual) alleged reasons for said reactions involving how freedom of speech is being limited by public pressure.
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  • posted a message on [Off-Topic] P&P Community Thread
    Okay, so - the line that it is naive to believe that the decision was not made because of the protests is just a plain strawman. Of course it was done because of the protests. However, every detail involved in the choice relies on decisions made by WotC rather than anything demanded by anyone else (outside Invoke Prejudice which has been controversial for years). To then shift the blame to the protests for this happening and calling what they are doing a form of fascism requires (1) positing a hypothetical crowd which would have taken action against WotC unless these specific changes were implemented, and (2) generalising that the actual protesters and people sympathetic to their cause are in fact equivalent to this hypothetical crowd. Why am I stuck on talking about these specific changes? Because the whole discussion was started by the accusation that the specifics of what WotC implemented were unreasonable and ridiculous. Now, as far as I am concerned, those seem like they might even have been made based on some intern's 2-hour dive into Gatherer and a few execs skimming through the list to pick Invoke Prejudice and probably Jihad out as high risk cards (whether justified in the latter case or not) and then considering how to make the list extensive enough to seem like they're trying while keeping the cards involved minimally significant for anyone's collection and play experience. The majority of these cards are - as pointed out in the original message - crap people hardly even remembered existed and that no one had felt any interest in playing for a decade or so. Fixating on them now is just inane since whether they are playable or not is materially insignificant. You cannot even really make a slippery slope argument about how next they will demand/do this or that since these were picked out from among all the cards in the existing pool based on a threshold which is already being criticised for involving a stretch of the imagination. Going forward, if WotC is more mindful of their naming schemes and such, no one is still getting hurt or losing cards that could have been, unless they just really wanted one called 'Holocaust', for example.

    In the case of Cleanse, I think a parallel with Mass Calcify and Saltblast is in order. If we went strictly by the wording of the card text, those would be considerably more 'unfortunate' in terms of their implications. However, the framing is very different just because of the name. Imagine, if you will, that Mass Calcify was instead called 'Purge'. Yes, it is a generic term in a vacuum but once you imagine playing it and stating 'I use Purge to destroy all non-white creatures', I should hope the thought makes you at least a little uncomfortable. If not, imagine being a person of colour when some edgelord or even just white person you don't know does that in your table, perhaps with even a hint of glee (whether from the edginess or just the triumph and relied of finding a card to answer the board state). The situation is comparable when you replace 'Purge' with 'Cleanse' and 'non-white' with 'black' - especially when anyone playing Cleanse at this point would have been doing so as a statement since the card is just not really worth playing otherwise because of its niche applicability. WotC basically just wants to ensure sufficient dissociation between the card text and the card name to minimise the chance of such unfortunate interactions in the context of their game.

    When it comes to the term 'gypsy', perhaps your local community (and I assume they do indeed exist) is a special case or perhaps in your native language (since I cannot assume it is English when it comes to all of Europe), there are more positive implications to the equivalent term. However, I recommend reading this decently researched piece to get an idea of how complicated that issue is. Yes, it is not considered offensive by everyone but there are certainly people hurt by it and it appears there is less of an identification with the term over alternatives even among those who do not mind it. That imbalance is a decent reason to play it safe and avoid the term - whether there are also other uses for it or not since in the context of card names, people are only going to see the word and not the totality of the possible nuanced differences in its usage.
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  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    I prefer the flying 1/1 double strikers for that 3-drop slot still, despite the double white. Evasion is just so important for that kind of thing which relies on explosive damage. In draft, Siege Striker was pretty nice and that definitely improved my impression of it but I think I would still be hard-pressed to try and justify its inclusion when that slot is not exactly wanting for options.

    Though, if you just treat Siege Striker as a - well - battering ram against a clogged board and generic aggro dude, I suppose he might still be one of the better options for white 3-drops. Hmm. Maybe I have been too focused on the double striker analogy in terms of that 'archetype'.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    Quote from Marl Karx »
    Quote from VariSami »
    They were discussing what could reasonably have been downgraded among the cards that have been revealed at rare and above.


    To which I respond by saying "No, Vish Kal doesn't strike me as reasonable"

    Never said it was but your original wording was that Vish Kal is not an uncommon rather than that Vish Kal is not suited to be uncommon or that Vish Kal is not in line with uncommons.

    Serra Sphinx seems worth some consideration; Skullmulcher less so. If its Devour value was greater or it had even slightly better baseline stats.
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  • posted a message on [Off-Topic] P&P Community Thread
    Firstly, remember that those actions have not been demanded by anyone (with the exception of axing Invoke Prejudice for a variety of reasons) and they are just companies making symbolic gestures based on their own ideas about what would be appropriate. Remember not to equate what they elect to do with the demands of the movements which prompt such actions. It's not any kind of 'new fascism' since it's not being imposed; it's just panicked attempts to try and garner sympathy with symbolic gestures, some of which are a positive if a minor one.

    Secondly, being European, I can tell that 'gypsy' is absolutely a slur for the Roma people. It's not ridiculous just because you do not understand the reasoning. Some of those choices are arguable, for sure. But with Cleanse, for example, it's not just about 'destroy all black creatures' but also that in the context of the name of the card. You may have heard of something called 'ethnic cleansing'.

    Thirdly, this topic has gotten basically every single thread where it comes up locked. Please be sensitive about how you're addressing it instead of jumping to hyperbole like calling the actions WotC has take of its own accord a 'new fascism'.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    They were discussing what could reasonably have been downgraded among the cards that have been revealed at rare and above.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    If they insisted on printing it here, they could at least have given us Swiftblade Vindicator. Though, that might be too fresh to downshift, I suppose.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    Looking at some of the rares they're putting in these packs, WotC definitely does not seem willing to downshift stuff easily.
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  • posted a message on Cards that haven't aged well
    I still include it but it seems like Acidic Soil might be another example of that. It's way too much direct damage for me not to include it but it's pretty unexiting as effects go in the abstract, and I think I haven't been seeing it when checking others' lists of late.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    Maybe because of the traditional roots of Phyrexia as primarily black? Thus, there is at least some association with artifacts, through the Gieger-like flesh and metal fusions in artwork if nothing else.
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  • posted a message on Double Masters downshifts
    Trash for Treasure is also getting downgraded. Similarly to the Sphinx, we have few viable ways to use that effectively. Though, I imagine that if anyone has a Tinker package, it might be further support.
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  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    I mean... That's still not a lot of them, and they're all pretty high on the curve so the best case scenario is something like a Pyroclasm on ETB from a 5-drop. Probably solid if you've built around it but it'd be really limiting and rather random since there's a world of difference between 1 and 2 damage from the effect.
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  • posted a message on Reanimator (Is it too broken?)
    I suppose it also helps the case for the archetype that most of the cards for it play well regardless? Only the more dedicated support stuff like Exhume and Titanoth Rex take up spots which are exclusively dedicated to supporting the archetype; most looting and reanimation is good enough on its own and feeds to interesting games regardless.
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