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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    FWIW, I do feel ktk is a bit disingenuous. I do feel that the core argument is that Twin is not a monster. The other facts brought up in the past were more of a way to make its unban a positive addition; that it would bring a blue deck, that it would bring a tempo deck, that it would force people to play fair and have interaction, etc.

    I do agree though that the burden of proof is on the side of unban, to convince that it is indeed innocuous to unban.

    I personally don't think it is neither innocuous nor earth shattering. It would become a good deck. I have no idea if it would straight out replace storm as the best UR deck.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Quote from tronix »
    yeah but the conversation before was about decks forcing players to interact. that specific playstyle of having a 1 turn combo, or a functionally 1 turn combo with instant speed components isnt a unique presentation of that.


    I think I know what you're missing.

    People's argument about twin and twin-like decks is that they prevent evaluation of risks. 1-turn combo deck means that the evaluation of "can they kill me if I tap out" is "yes" every single turn once they have X mana, X being low.

    With burn, your example, I can look at my life total, how many cards are in the burn player's hand, and easily come up with a probability from 0% to 100% about their ability to kill me if I tap out. I can do that no matter how many lands they have, no matter how early or late we are in the game.

    With twin, if they have two cards in hand, there is no evaluation function other than the basic starting probabilities of drawing their combo pieces by turn X.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Trophy either frees up SB slots or makes your SB plan more consistent. There are few top decks that' it's bad against, as a lot of top deck don't run a lot of basics.

    Its price is entirely contingent on the performance of BG decks.

    That being said, I've sold mine. Smile I do think the price will come down because BG was not a deck in standard and BG is not top in modern.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Changes to competitive/pro play
    I skipped four posts in this thread. I believe they're easy to identify.

    You can start new threads. You don't have to hemorrhage words that are irrelevant to the topic. Also, derail is a standard description and not an invitation to muse further.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Price-wise, my stance is to point to Khans fetches and say "Prrrrrrrrt!"

    The allied fetches were expensive pre-Khans and became affordable. One thing that did not happen is people quitting Magic in drove over it. One thing that did happen since, is more players playing Magic. The doomsday scenario of more affordable staples angering and pushing players out has just never happened i modern times. There's people at my LGS who complain how Wizards killed Tarmo's price due to multiple prints, yet Tarmo is still pricey and the complainers still play 2 drafts per week and play modern.

    Since Khans, the fetches have climbed back to 30cnd$, some (BR) going over, and they will keep going up until the next reprint. They will hit 40cnd$ each in the medium term. I'd say within 6 months, especially with multiple modern GP coming in 2019.

    The thing is, a deck is 60 cards and you can't have the average cards at $40+ and expect to have a growing player base. That makes a deck cost more than two grands. Yeah, I know no every card costs 40, but right now some are actually at 100-120cnd. In all my decks, I'm currently missing less than 20 cards, but they represent multiple thousands dollars worth of cardboard. I won't ever finish my decks in this situation. From Wizards's perspective, that means zero revenue instead of X revenue if those cards were reprinted in a meaningfully wide distribution in a set with a reasonable per-pack price. Modern Master set help, but they fail on both of these front, so I'm in the situation that I'm still missing two snappy because its price failed to drop following the last MM and actually went up 30% since.

    Stop being cheap Wizards, stop missing revenue. Reprint staple in standard sets like you did Khans fetches. It can be just a few at a time if you really want to maximize the time-scale at the expense of widening more rapidly the player base. At least do something.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    Question though (might be more appropriate in the spirit thread, but since we're on the subject): would you run CoCo in a Noble-less list? I can't justify dropping 400cnd$ on hierarch, and I've not yet decided if the dig + CA of CoCo is enough to splash green.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    So, first page complained about no unban, page two portraying that people claimed Jace would end modern. Just need a twin post and the state of modern thread will have gone back to is steady-state.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 01/10/2018)
    What you are discussing is banning. They can't have numbers to back a decision on *unbanning*. No one plays modern with banned cards on MTGO.

    Unbanning can only be backed up by gut feeling and long winded unterminable threads about why a card should be unbanned. (Or stay banned, depending on where you sit.) thnkr is right, and the first few posts of this thread proves it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Best Guild for Prerelease?
    From what I saw Selesnya and Boros were the top guilds.

    I chose Golgari and got a good pool and still lost to them. The problem against Selesnya is that Golgari mostly goes 1-for-1 except for a few key cards. Especially the removal is 1-for-1. Meanwhile, Selesnya goes wide. Some of it's cards are just unfair on that front, for example the 4/4 centaur that creates two 2/2. Add to that the convoke combat tricks to blow you out, and the guild just hums.

    Boros is mostly dependent on curving out. I lost one game to my opp having 3 3/3 attacking on turn 4 on the play, with combat tricks and removal backup. Then I won on the play. Then I lost to the 6-damage to the dome finishing spell in the 3rd game. Giving such reach to Boros will be a design mistake for limited, in the long run, IMO.

    My un-MVP was clearly ritual of soot. Too many of your own card get hit by it, and not playing early threat is just too dangerous. Even against Selesnya it's not that great because they have many tokens but their bombs start at CMC 4. That card is just a trap in limited. Not once did I cast it when I drew it. (Well, once i'd have stabilized against Selesnya, but they played trostani the turn before I was goingn to fired it off to deal me lethal. Seems an army of 2/2 is stronger than an army of 1/1. Who could have known?)
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [GK1] - Guild Kits - Full Deckslists via the Mothership
    Wow.

    Sales must have previously tanked for Wizards to suddenly stop being the grinch and actually print a pre-con with great value. Seeing the cards list, I assumed this was a $30+ product. This will put a much-needed cap on certain cards in the set and/or bring down some price on old cards. (shattering spree, I'm looking at you.)

    The Golgari one got a bit downgrade in value now that deathrite shaman is banned pretty much in all relevant formats.

    I have no idea how illakunsaa came up with those prices. They look wrong.

    Edit: shattering spree is 15cnd$, how can izzet be worth 3 euros?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 20/08/2018)
    I find depressing reading all the attacks here.

    I suppose most people on this forum are not aware of the "real" cheating that was rampant in high-level magic ten or more years ago. How these real cheats were defending themselves as only using every available venue to win and, critically for this thread, were using the same argument that is was the duty of their opponent to be more vigilant.

    I believe 100% the OP that some people will using foreign language, alternate art cards to confuse their opponent. When talking about lands that are often pile up together, yes, that's one avenue to gain an advantage. I find it despicable that people here won't even acknowledge that it's an issue that can be taken advantage on. I find it bad that you're all engaging in victim blaming.

    Could he have been more vigilant? Is the rule-lawyer argument that it's entirely the player responsibility to track the opponent's board? yes. So what? Should magic be the equivalent of a game of memory? This is especially true in a tournament setting. I just read yesterday an old article by Cedric Phillips who admitted constantly chatting with his opponent to distract them. Is talking cheating? Strictly, no. But Cedric was using it to increase the mental fatigue to get an edge. Having to read and constantly ask about foreign cards and alt-art is also increasing the mental burden. It adds up during multiple rounds.

    Just piling on and ignoring the issue while taking the moral high ground that the OP is an feeble minded whiner is not productive.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Guilds of Ravnica - afterthoughts, please share your likes & dislikes
    As I wrote in another thread:


    We got for standard:

    We got for modern:
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on Full Set Gallery Up
    Quote from Empathogen »

    Worse, because it's really the *only* chase card in the set.
    The Dimir Demon will also be expensive, but aside from those two, this set is looking about as valuable and enduring as a dumpster fire.

    What-the-heck-are-you-talking-about-and-isn't-it-early-to-tell. (TM)

    We got for standard:

    We got for modern:
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 8 New Promos for Magic Online
    Love the red eye on the chalice. More visible in the full art. Lots of details, it's great.

    I wish there were more contrast between the ballista and its background. Pyroblast pushes too far the reds.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on GRN Planeswalker decklists
    One thing not to miss is that there is an open house this week-end.

    As sad as it is, I find the free decks they give away better than the average PW deck. Not power-wise, you don't get PW nor many rares, but more coherent.

    Now given this, it's easy to get these free deck and combine them with the PW decks. In fact, at the last open house, my son and his friend picked up a PW deck. (The store also gave TWO free decks. So we got 6 in all, counting me. Add to this that the green elephant rares was worth something and the llanowar elves were chased after, it was a good deal overall.)

    So grab G and B free deck for you golgari and R/U for your izzet.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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