I like how you blame this on the Democrats. You do realize that the majority of social service spending is on the elderly, whom neither party ever dares piss off by cutting spending.
You and I both know that medicaid and welfare have almost NOTHING to do with the elderly, Kraj More importantly, the democrats want to EXPAND these programs, while the republicans want to tame them down a little. Cutting just 2-3% off of each social service program and using that money to pay off debt and fund education would elicit a HUGE change in this country, and better educated people will require less of a government crutch.
But for the record, yeah - SS needs to be eliminated, and I would be FINE with paying for it now if it was gone by the time I was old enough to receive it.
I honestly wonder when the government is going to decide to pay off our debts.
It is only a matter of time before China 'calls in some favors' or something
@Hodoku,
I really like your idea for the budget. Its ashame that this will never happen though because there are to many lazy bastards abusing welfare and the other handout programs that our government offers.
Thanks =3
Come 2009, I think I'll post my budget proposal and see what the forums think. Suffice to say:
-Social service is cut down a bit
-Education is tripled
-There is a budget category called "debt repayment"
Hodoku, I know your not such a huge fan of redistribution of wealth and the like, but that's not all the higher taxes on the rich would cover. How about all that outstanding debt, our outrageous military spending, rebuilding infrastructure, and other such programs that you either benefit from or support. And honestly, just leave the poor to rot? Have you no sense of charity for those less fortunate than you?
I DO, but what I simply can't tolerate is this:
I mean, 62% of SOCIAL SERVICES AND INTEREST? While under 2% goes to education? And dems want EVEN MORE? Mind you, this is Bush's budget - a demo would probably increase social service to 66% or so - roughly 2/3 of our budget. To me, this system reeks of training our people to be retarded leeches on the ass of the government. Now, I am totally okay with social service on a small scale. But, when it gets to the point where it vastly dwarfs everything else, and then the dems want to increase it by punishing those that have managed to fight their way out of this terrible system, I just get mad =/
IMO, we need to vastly decrease the budgets for welfare and medicare (the one for poor, not the one for old/disabled), and eliminate social security instead of growing these badly managed and outdated programs out of the wallets of the rich - essentially the opposite of what obama and the radical far-left pseudocommunists want.
EDIT: Basically, take 1/3 off of the social service budget, and put it into paying off debt and education, then cut taxes for -EVERYONE- from whatevers left over.
Imma go ahead and say no. 14-17 is just a massive disparity in maturity regardless of how you cut it, not taking into consideration one of the two being socially retarded (and then they really shouldn't be dating, eh?)
Now ask me if a 21 year old and an 18 year old could date? No Problemo!
EDIT: Sakura - Maturity/experience is a FINE gauge for who you should date, until it comes to minors. To me, thats when it gets screwy and just a bit creepy, considering that plenty of 20-somethings and 30-somethings are absolutely immature. Say a 26 year old is dating a 13 year old - by your rule, if they are similar in maturity, that would be ok? =/
If they aren't bankrupting themselves, then why should I care? What are the higher taxes denying them?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and answer "money that they deserve and you don't"
In more detail, People that earn that magical 600-1,200k a year are by and far the hardest working americans, and they can't afford accountants that'll give them 30% off of taxes from deductions.
Looking at the numbers posted to "own" me earlier, I've gotta say that Obama's side makes me pretty damn sick. 11% more for the top? What can you possibly use to justify such blatant theft? On the one hand, I want every high earner in the states to take all their money out and leave the poor the rot. On the other, I don't want to have to move. What a dilemma =/
And Palin's speech is a travesty. They keep cutting to people in the audience that are not liking it.
(laughs)
Considering that a bunch of dems on the news networks were left without criticism, I'm pretty sure you're just being bitter here - here speech was better delivered than obama's. I can't wait for the debates.
@Hoduko: I would say that, while there is a radical left, the radical right is much more powerful in America than the radical left is. and Obama is not part of the radical left, btw, as he supports Free Trade, Tax Cuts for the middle class, offshore drilling, wiretapping, and some amount of the 2nd ammendment.
aWhat middle class tax cuts? His plans call for taxing nearly all but the most destitute. As for the rest -these all strike me as lies to appeal to moderates to vote for him. I call him far left liberal based on his past voting record (ya know, the ones where he didn't vote "present" ), and I do beleive that it is an accurate description.
Do you even know what people usually get abortions? Poor people. Somehow I think the daughters of presidential candidates don't have their options cut extremely short by their financial situations.
SAY WHAT? A (once) friend of mine had one just because it was inconvenient - and PLENTY of women have them beacuse they're too lazy to take responsibility for having sex.
And wait...
'mentally crippled lower class'?
People making under 250,000 dollars a year are not the lower class. Pharmacists make less than that. Also, that is an insulting, ignorant, and close-minded comment there.
let me rephrase - badly educated. This wasn't meant as an insult, only to emphasize how little we spend on education, while supporting these same uneducated people with government programs that do nothing to empower them to improve their lives.
Tax cuts: As has been said, removing them amount to increasing taxes, which as any economist will tell you, is BAD FOR THE ECONOMY.
Extend the war: You can't seriously still be deluding yourself that Obama will actually end the war, are you? More importantly, both McCain and Palin have sons going to war, so I don't see how he would make the war last any longer than it needs to.
Gay rights: Gay rights are not an issue that matters in this election, at least to me. Besides, even if they WANT to get married, there wont be any real progress until we clean up the mess we're in now. There are more important things on we need to worry about. If anything, bring it up in 2012.
Abortion: Abortion, otoh, is not a right, but a massive mistake. Besides, I'd rather vote for someone against abortion than someone who wants to treat live birth botched abortions as abortable fetuses.
All in all, of COURSE its a ploy to solidify the base. A genuine belief that McCain is a far right conservative is completely wrong, considering that he could have joined the dems if he wants to.
Just a note: this poll is BEFORE the RNC and BEFORE McCain announced Palin. It has all of 0 relevance at this moment, and no poll will really be accurate until POST-RNC, where I fully expect a dead heat again as before the DNC, or McCain ahead but within the margin of error.
Seriously bro, be a little more open minded. Some dems are ****ing idiots, sure. So are some Republicans...like the ones who said "Hurricane Katrina was a punishment for gay marriage". So yes, I'm offended, but this thread isn't here to bash dems and bash republicans over stupid, inconsequential things to score some cheap points.
I'm not - I just found that bit on laughing about a horrible natural disaster as tasteless as it gets. I hardly consider calling attention to that as "scoring cheap points". But still, the point is that the hurricane could hurt McCain, but it could also end up beneficial if it plays out well - which it seems like it is. Newscasts are showing that people are evacuating the way they're supposed to, the whole thing is progressing smoothly, and the entire system is better built than before.
As for the open mindedness: Not possible. I have a very direct, very harsh way of discussing politics, and if I mean to offend, its (almost always) not anyone here in particular, only the individuals we are discussing.
It may be a classy gesture but it will still hurt him, as his convention will get less coverage and it's going to throw him off his game, because now he picked his VP too early.
What makes you say that about Obama, though?
Actually, its still possible for him to turn this into a positive, along the lines of "I care enough about this country to stop my party's convention to concentrate on important matters - obama partied up until the last moment". If there is some bit of hurrciane awareness or something, it can bolster his image pretty damn well.
As for the Obama bit - I was suspended when this junk first started, but I pretty much hate and distrust him like no other politician on earth. O_o
Anyway, this can only be bad for McCain, right? Or do you think more people will tune in or something because of the hurricane threat?
To be honest, partying while a natural disaster hits would undermine McCain's whole message, and would prolly end up more damaging than a cut down convention.
On a related topic, I just saw that video of one of the dems actually LAUGHING about Gustav since it was hitting during the RNC - anyone else incredibly offended by how obnoxious and inconsiderate that was?
You and I both know that medicaid and welfare have almost NOTHING to do with the elderly, Kraj
But for the record, yeah - SS needs to be eliminated, and I would be FINE with paying for it now if it was gone by the time I was old enough to receive it.
At least we can agree on ONE thing >_>
Thanks =3
Come 2009, I think I'll post my budget proposal and see what the forums think. Suffice to say:
-Social service is cut down a bit
-Education is tripled
-There is a budget category called "debt repayment"
I DO, but what I simply can't tolerate is this:
I mean, 62% of SOCIAL SERVICES AND INTEREST? While under 2% goes to education? And dems want EVEN MORE? Mind you, this is Bush's budget - a demo would probably increase social service to 66% or so - roughly 2/3 of our budget. To me, this system reeks of training our people to be retarded leeches on the ass of the government. Now, I am totally okay with social service on a small scale. But, when it gets to the point where it vastly dwarfs everything else, and then the dems want to increase it by punishing those that have managed to fight their way out of this terrible system, I just get mad =/
IMO, we need to vastly decrease the budgets for welfare and medicare (the one for poor, not the one for old/disabled), and eliminate social security instead of growing these badly managed and outdated programs out of the wallets of the rich - essentially the opposite of what obama and the radical far-left pseudocommunists want.
EDIT: Basically, take 1/3 off of the social service budget, and put it into paying off debt and education, then cut taxes for -EVERYONE- from whatevers left over.
Now ask me if a 21 year old and an 18 year old could date? No Problemo!
EDIT: Sakura - Maturity/experience is a FINE gauge for who you should date, until it comes to minors. To me, thats when it gets screwy and just a bit creepy, considering that plenty of 20-somethings and 30-somethings are absolutely immature. Say a 26 year old is dating a 13 year old - by your rule, if they are similar in maturity, that would be ok? =/
I'm going to go out on a limb here and answer "money that they deserve and you don't"
In more detail, People that earn that magical 600-1,200k a year are by and far the hardest working americans, and they can't afford accountants that'll give them 30% off of taxes from deductions.
Looking at the numbers posted to "own" me earlier, I've gotta say that Obama's side makes me pretty damn sick. 11% more for the top? What can you possibly use to justify such blatant theft? On the one hand, I want every high earner in the states to take all their money out and leave the poor the rot. On the other, I don't want to have to move. What a dilemma =/
(laughs)
Considering that a bunch of dems on the news networks were left without criticism, I'm pretty sure you're just being bitter here - here speech was better delivered than obama's. I can't wait for the debates.
aWhat middle class tax cuts? His plans call for taxing nearly all but the most destitute. As for the rest -these all strike me as lies to appeal to moderates to vote for him. I call him far left liberal based on his past voting record (ya know, the ones where he didn't vote "present"
Are you claiming that Obama is... a moderate?
No, seriously, do you really believe that or is this a joke?
Other topic: Palin's speech is funny. I like it
Is spending money on education bad all of a sudden? I'm being nice and concedeing some government programs to you "emphatic" types >_>
SAY WHAT? A (once) friend of mine had one just because it was inconvenient - and PLENTY of women have them beacuse they're too lazy to take responsibility for having sex.
Obnoxious democrat cracks ftl?
let me rephrase - badly educated. This wasn't meant as an insult, only to emphasize how little we spend on education, while supporting these same uneducated people with government programs that do nothing to empower them to improve their lives.
Tax cuts: As has been said, removing them amount to increasing taxes, which as any economist will tell you, is BAD FOR THE ECONOMY.
Extend the war: You can't seriously still be deluding yourself that Obama will actually end the war, are you? More importantly, both McCain and Palin have sons going to war, so I don't see how he would make the war last any longer than it needs to.
Gay rights: Gay rights are not an issue that matters in this election, at least to me. Besides, even if they WANT to get married, there wont be any real progress until we clean up the mess we're in now. There are more important things on we need to worry about. If anything, bring it up in 2012.
Abortion: Abortion, otoh, is not a right, but a massive mistake. Besides, I'd rather vote for someone against abortion than someone who wants to treat live birth botched abortions as abortable fetuses.
All in all, of COURSE its a ploy to solidify the base. A genuine belief that McCain is a far right conservative is completely wrong, considering that he could have joined the dems if he wants to.
Just a note: this poll is BEFORE the RNC and BEFORE McCain announced Palin. It has all of 0 relevance at this moment, and no poll will really be accurate until POST-RNC, where I fully expect a dead heat again as before the DNC, or McCain ahead but within the margin of error.
Thank you <3
Indeed
I'm not - I just found that bit on laughing about a horrible natural disaster as tasteless as it gets. I hardly consider calling attention to that as "scoring cheap points". But still, the point is that the hurricane could hurt McCain, but it could also end up beneficial if it plays out well - which it seems like it is. Newscasts are showing that people are evacuating the way they're supposed to, the whole thing is progressing smoothly, and the entire system is better built than before.
As for the open mindedness: Not possible. I have a very direct, very harsh way of discussing politics, and if I mean to offend, its (almost always) not anyone here in particular, only the individuals we are discussing.
Actually, its still possible for him to turn this into a positive, along the lines of "I care enough about this country to stop my party's convention to concentrate on important matters - obama partied up until the last moment". If there is some bit of hurrciane awareness or something, it can bolster his image pretty damn well.
As for the Obama bit - I was suspended when this junk first started, but I pretty much hate and distrust him like no other politician on earth. O_o
I see it as pretty classy - twenty bucks says that Obama would have been shooting of fireworks in a stadium regardless, if Gustav hit during the DNC.
And yes, I am back. I was hoping to return just when McCain won the election, but my banning expired a bit early.
To be honest, partying while a natural disaster hits would undermine McCain's whole message, and would prolly end up more damaging than a cut down convention.
On a related topic, I just saw that video of one of the dems actually LAUGHING about Gustav since it was hitting during the RNC - anyone else incredibly offended by how obnoxious and inconsiderate that was?