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    posted a message on Should tipping be banned?
    Quote from DemonDragonJ »
    I believe that tipping should definitely not be banned, because it is well established in society as a reward for good service. However, I believe that it also should not be mandatory, or otherwise, it is not a tip; it is simply part of the normal bill. A person should have the option of giving a tip, and if that person believe that they have been given poor service, then have every right to not give their server a tip (which is unfortunate for the server, but, hopefully, it shall help them to learn to provide better service in the future).


    That is the way it is.... You are not legally obligated to provide a tip. You are socially obligated to provide a tip (unless you can justify not giving one with reasons like the service being terrible).
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    posted a message on Mother's Ultimate Sacrifice For Newborn
    I'm not necessarily arguing with you Jay. I just don't like the venomous tone I see from several of the other posters. To me it seems that some people are basically saying that what she did is the moral equivalent of murdering her born child. Whether you agree with her or not, in her mind she was choosing between murdering her unborn child and dying. Given that choice there is no reason to be so venomous toward her decision. You can disagree with her, but her decision comes from a disagreement that has been debated for years(decades) and it serves no purpose to hate on this dead woman so much because of her decision.

    If you want people in the future to be less likely to make this decision, don't say this woman did something deplorable by leaving her children motherless. Convince people that abortion is not murder. Until that point is universally accepted there will be people that will easily weigh that decision as murder versus death. I can't fault someone for choosing against what they believe to be murder.
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    posted a message on Sixth Circuit Upholds Same-Sex Marriage Ban
    Quote from Tiax »
    So how, exactly, is your proposal different than "wait forever"?


    I don't think he is proposing anything at all... he's just pointing out that there could be negative side effects of legalizing gay marriage and that supporters of gay marriage should realize that it may not be the 100% simple answer we want to believe it is. Not saying that those possible negatives outweigh the positives but just that they could exist.
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    posted a message on UNC academic scandal
    I don't know why we pretend college sports and real college degrees should be joined together... Let colleges have a sports major that allows kids to participate in college sports without forcing them to attempt to go through a major they do not want and probably will never use.

    I see 2 types of college athletes those that want a degree and to participate in sports and those that are just there for the sports. We try to force those from group two to be like those from group one and it's silly.

    Keep college sports in college so those that do want traditional degrees to go with their sports can do that, but lets stop pretending that all college athletes are in college for a degree. Many of them are there because that's where they have to go to have a chance at the pros.
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    posted a message on President Ted Cruz and Natural Born Citizenship
    The difference is in the case of Obama they wanted him to not be eligible... in the case of Cruz they do want him to be eligible. Logic need not apply.
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    posted a message on Is Dodgeball "too Violent" to be Played in Schools?
    Quote from prismatic elf »
    While I loved playing dodgeball as a kid it can open the door for bullying.


    Putting kids into social situations can open the door for bullying. Bullying isn't going to suddenly manifest while playing dodgeball. Bullying in dodgeball is going to simply be an extension of the bullying that is already happening. If a kid is bullied on the dodgeball court chances are that kid is also being bullied in other situations.
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    posted a message on The whole thing with Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings
    There is a big difference between a quick swat on the ass to let a kid know they did something wrong and not to do it again and having 200lbs of muscle "whoop" a kid with a switch repeatedly breaking skin.

    The big issue I see is if we can agree that a swat that doesn't leave a mark is fine, but what AP did is not fine... is it even possible to draw a line somewhere in between?
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    posted a message on Heterosexuals are overprotective of Homosexuals it seems.
    Quote from Jay13x »

    While I recognize it as a bit unfair, the same basic principle applies. Churches are not being forced to perform gay marriages, and never will be. But if you're going to run a business, you can't discriminate between your patrons. Everyone has the same right to be served by a business as everyone else. And we're talking about the rental of goods and services from businesses, or the rental of a venue. The parallel is pretty clear.


    This is one thing that I really don't understand and really disagree with. Maybe it deserves a separate thread but I have a feeling it would die pretty quickly...

    A business' main objective is to make money by providing goods and/or services. If a business wants to refuse to make money on a particular clientele why should we force them to? In theory... a business that accepts the widest variety of clientele will be more successful because they will have more potential customers. If a bakery wants to have a stance of not providing cakes for gay weddings they are losing out on customers, and if I was having a gay wedding I wouldn't trust them to make my cake anyway given their views... Would you rather be refused service and find somewhere else to go or get terrible service?

    To parallel the race issue. If I was a black man I think I would rather know that Restaurant X does not want me there and then go to Restaurant Y, instead of risking having my burger spit on or worse.

    Especially in today's culture, I can't imagine too many business doing very well after advertising that they wont serve "A B or C". It would take owners that are truly convicted in their beliefs to do something like that. So for people who believe that strongly... why try to stop them?
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    posted a message on Should Firearms Training be a Regular Part of a School's Curriculum?
    Why is this even being debated? Who gives a crap? Something being a "weapon" does not make it a boogyman. Swords, for example, are most certainly weapons... but that does not mean they only have the use of cutting people in half. They have also gained the use of being a decoration.

    A gun, firearm, whatever... can be used as a weapon (even a flare gun), some of them were even designed as weapons, but that does not matter at all. Just because something was designed to kill people does not invalidate its other uses.
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    posted a message on Should Firearms Training be a Regular Part of a School's Curriculum?
    Quote from Arwin_Rand »
    Going back to the initial topic of the thread, it's an interesting question and I can kind of see both sides of it. On the one hand, I see the logic in the thinking that increased understanding of guns would lead to a greater respect for, and decreased use of them at least in theory. The same thing typically happens in good martial arts schools. The more skill you have in the art, the less you want to use it because you might end up hurting someone. So I do think the idea holds some measure of water.

    Still, I rather oppose the idea because the variables are too great to account for them all. At that point you have to have real weapons in the school for the classes and the dangers then go up exponentially because it's too easy in public school classrooms for someone to slip something away when the teacher isn't looking and you've always got some dumb kid who's going to do whatever they can to try and get away with something. You've got the kid who's bullied constantly and wants revenge, you've got the budding sociopath who just wants the power, the kid who's abused at home and slips a gun out of his firearms class to shoot his parent etc. Then let's not even talk about the expenses of insurance in school systems already strapped for cash.

    I rather think private classes where you can do background checks are preferable to mandatory school curriculum on this matter.


    You definitely would not need real guns in class, or at least not functioning guns. Use guns without firing pins or just plain fake guns...
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