MTG Salvation

When thinking about a third colour for Radiant flames I also came to black but didn't think about dark deal. Thanks, that's a cool addition I will try out.

This blue red draw and discard shell would also be the main part of any reanimator deck. I have fooled around with 4 Necrotic Summons and 3 Ulamog's and it feels like a bit of a distraction from the main plan but also pretty easy. If the meta is full of Abzan charms and Utter Ends I wouldn't bother but if it's not this seems at least worthy of consideration for a funky sideboard transformation.

Most of your lists seem to have cut Send to Sleep, not fans?

They are not slam down inclusions and a little bit pricier but a lot of people enjoy playing with Stormbreath Dragon and Elspeth, Sun's Champion. It would also be a good time to pick up a Brimaz, though he hasn't fallen by as much as I thought he would.

Their dollar value is pretty low but I think the best way to acquire them will be by trading away your BFZ opens that you don't plan on using. This weekend is likely the peak in price and interest for most of them so trading away that "tango" land for an Elspeth AND a Stormbreath seems long term fun positive EV.

And second that painlands are a fantastic pick up right now.

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Also, speaking of green ramp, let me know if you'd like a Fyndhorn Elves to replace that Elves of Deep Shadow in your cube. I have an extra copy of the original with that hideous Ice Age art and the outdated rules text that says "Play this ability as an interrupt." You'll love it.

Definitely fits my green theme. Green is the only colour with Korean cards and I also (deliberately) use my green bordered Serendib Efreet over my foil blue copy. A reference to a no longer existing card type would be great.

Green and Blue parts of the list need a bit of a cleanup. Troll Ascetic is actually already cut so it's Vinelasher Kadzu who will be leaving when Survival of the Fittest arrives. Most of the fatties are meant to be cheated into play so I probably haven't paid enough attention to the ramp archetype. The new Ulamog coming in at 10 instead of 11 looks actually castable and Garruk would actually be fun WITH cradle. Always good to get a few potential cuts to keep an eye on.

Managed to get a Recurring Nightmare yesterday in trade. $$$ wise not a big get but it's something I had been on the lookout for a while and hadn't seen in any binders.

Survival of the fittest is on it's way and once that arrives I feel like I have ticked all the boxes on what people expect of a 360 cube. There are a few rough edges but the missing pieces don't feel so urgent so I am feeling pretty happy with myself right now. Gideon and Liliana are also on their way.

Gold, Lands and Colorless
Grim Monolith will replace Nevinyrral's Disk
Hangerback Walker will replace Mind Stone

Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research

Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Soltari Trooper
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth

Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Survival of the Fittest will replace Troll Ascetic
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence

I was pretty unhappy with the black one drops in my cube. They felt like a trap and I had to bend a lot to make them be ok. It felt like an obligation.

This card makes it all worth it. It is an obvious pay off for that archetype and a solid card by itself. Slam Dunk include.

Updated the wish list as Vindicate has arrived

I only chose old Ulamog as the cut because I really like the new one and didn't want two Ulamogs. Is there such a thing as too many Ulamogs?

I want Emrakual in as the ultimate pay off for Show and Tell, Sneak attack, channel decks. Something exciting and sexy if not as consistent as old Ulamog.

I have slept on what you guys have said and I feel comfortable making some adjustments now. I see the light that Delver is too situational and space is tight.

Haven't worked out the colourless and lands, how do I fit in Hangerback Walker, Evolving Wilds and other questions will have to be answered next nap.

Wish List

Gold, Lands and Colorless
Thran Dynamo will replace Mind Stone
Mana Confluence will replace Mishras Workshop
Grim Monolith will replace Nevnyrells Disk
Hangerback Walker will replace Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre (I like new Ulamog better for cube anyways)

Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Delver of Secrets
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Clever Impersonator
Daze will replace Compulsive research

Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Soltari Trooper
Relic Seeker will replace Cloistered Youth

Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Survival of the Fittest will replace Troll Ascetic
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Nissa Flip Walker will replace Vinelasher Kadzu

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Brain Maggot
Recurring Nightmare will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence

I think I will go with the clever impersonator cut. I am concerned about 3 Jaces taking up 6% of the blue cards. Delver isn't rated here but he is iconic and I have seen him do pretty good work in the holiday cube. I think he will fit well enough in Blue/Black and Red/Blue in this cube. 54% of my blue cards flip him and with a smaller cube size the density of equipment is higher so the floor on him isn't so bad.
Most other powered cubes have dropped him so there is definitely merit in there but I am close to assembling a storm expansion which also plays ok with him.

This is all pretty theoretical because I am in no rush to pay $40+ for an in print card right now. Older and cooler cards seem to give more bang for the buck.

I have picked up a few of these and in some other cases have gotten cold feet about the changes. I don't want to lose Living Death from the cube and am not 100% certain on Molten Vortex/Evolutionary Leap.

A couple of the changes I haven't made just because I want to give the cards already in their more of a run. Cards like Shrine of Burning Rage, Mishra's Workshop and Iona are cards my playgroup seems pretty unfamiliar with in a powered cube environment so I want to let them get that experience before moving them to the sideboard/expansion.

I love the new sideboard feature on cube tutor as it allows the planning for an expansion to 10 players but also makes cuts less painful as they don't seem so final.

A surprisingly lot of Origins cards made it in and I have my eye on even more. Looks like I will have to make room for Hangerback walker eventually, I might be cheap and wait until he/she leaves standard


Wish List

Gold, Lands and Colorless
Vindicate (in the mail) will replace Tidehollow Sculler
Thran Dynamo will replace Mishras Workshop
Mana Confluence will replace Evolving Wilds
Grim Monolith will replace Nevnyrells Disk

Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Jace Belaran
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Icefall Regent
Daze will replace Compulsive research

Red
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Elspth Suns champion

Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Fyndhorn Elves will replace Elves of Deep Shadow
Survival of the Fittest will replace Call of the herd
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Nissa Flip Walker will replace Troll Ascetic

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Brain Maggot
Recurring Nightmare will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence

I just caught your You Tube video about your Origins updates.

I love the way you handle double faced cards in your cube. Apart from the bit where it means I still have to get 2 x Liliana's, Jace etc

Want List

Gold, Lands and Colorless
Vindicate will replace Tidehollow Sculler
Thran Dynamo will replace Mishras Workshop
Mana Confluence will replace Evolving Wilds
Grim Monolith will replace Nevnyrells Disk

Blue
Jace Flip Walker will replace Jace Memory Adept
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Icefall Regent
Daze will replace Compulsive research

Red
Chandra flip walker for Shrine of Burning Rage
Molten Vortex will replace Chandra Pyromaster
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Baneslayer Angel will replace karmic Guide
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Elspth Suns champion

Green
Lotus Cobra will replace rampant Growth
Fyndhorn Elves will replace Elves of Deep Shadow
Survival of the Fittest will replace Call of the herd
Evolutionary leap to replace Birthing Pod
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Green Suns Zenith will replace Become Immense
Nissa Flip Walker will replace Troll Ascetic

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Brain Maggot
Recurring Nightmare will replace Living Death
Volrath's Stronghold will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence

Honourable Mentions/On the fringe


Consecrated Sphinx
Jace Beleran/Jace Memory Adept

When do previews start for what Origins cards you will be including

I'm not quite ready to cut the ramp just because the Green section is in such a flux. it's by far the section that has the most "scheduled" changes so things haven't been settled enough for me to really define it's identity. Will it be elf acceleration or spell/land ramp, i'm not sure.

With the flip cards I think the checklist system makes them much easier to manage but people just need experience with the system. Hopefully everyone opens lots of flip planeswalkers this Origin limited season and gets used to it.

Nissa Worldwaker is safe now,I knew she was cool but I'm glad others have found her to also be good.

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I like almost all of this. I'm not at all sold on cutting Worldwaker and I don't see the need for Containment Priest. At this size, blue is likely too tight for Spellskite but you could play it there instead of cutting it.

Cheers,
rant

Cheers, your input is very much anticipated. Cutting Rancor for Nissa seems like something I was supposed to do rather than wanted to. It's an easy come back if the new Nissa isn't as good as I think it is.

I have no experience with containment priest so was just adding it based on hype. Quite happy not to have to acquire one

If Delver doesn't work out then I guess that will be the sacrifice for Spellskite.

Want List

Gold/Lands and Colorless
Vindicate will replace Tidehollow Sculler
Wurmcoil Engine will replace Spellskite
Thran Dynamo will replace Mishras Workshop
Mana Confluence will replace Evolving Wilds
Grim Monolith will replace Nevnyrells Disk


Blue
Jace Beleran will replace Jace Memory adept
Daze will replace Repeal
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Icefall Regent
Opposition will replace Compulsive research

Red
Chandra flip walker for Shrine of Burning Rage
Exquisite Firecraft/Molten Vortex will replace Chandra Pyromaster
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Baneslayer Angel will replace karmic Guide
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Elspth Suns champion

Green
Farseek will replace rampant Growth
Fyndhorn Elves will replace Elves of Deep Shadow
Survival of the Fittest will replace Tooth and Nail which will replace Call of the herd
Evolutionary leap to maybe replace Birthing Pod
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Worldly Tutor will replace Become Immense
Nissa Flip Walker will replace Troll Ascetic

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Brain Maggot
Recurring Nightmare will replace Living Death
Volrath's Stronghold will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence

I might have gone overboard with Origins additions to my want list but I think the flip Walkers are interesting enough that I have added all 5 for now. Something like Jace I expect to become Jace architect of Thought after a bit of testing.

Want List

Gold/Lands and Colorless
Vindicate will replace Tidehollow Sculler
Wurmcoil Engine will replace Spellskite
Thran Dynamo will replace Mishras Workshop
Mana Confluence will replace Evolving Wilds
Grim Monolith will replace Nevnyrells Disk
Ancient Tomb will replace ??

Blue
?Jace (flip walker) will replace Jace Memory adept
Daze will replace Repeal
Treachery will replace Impulse
Phantasmal Image will replace Icefall Regent
Opposition will replace Compulsive research

Red
?Chandra flip walker for Shrine of Burning Rage
Exquisite Firecraft/Molten Vortex will replace Chandra Pyromaster
Goblin Welder will replace Reckless Waif

White
Baneslayer Angel will replace karmic Guide
Reveilark will replace Iona
Gideon (flip walker)will replace Entreat the Angels
Containment Priest will replace Cloistered Youth
Elspeth, Knight Errant will replace Elspth Suns champion

Green
Farseek will replace rampant Growth
Fyndhorn Elves will replace Elves of Deep Shadow
Survival of the Fittest will replace Tooth and Nail which will replace Call of the herd
?Evolutionary leap to maybe replace birthing pod
Rancor will replace Nissa World Waker
Garruk Wildspeaker will replace Gaes Cradle
Song of the Dryads will replace Beast Within
Worldly Tutor will replace Become Immense
Nissa Flip Walker will replace Troll Ascetic

Black
Liliana (flip walker) will replace Brain Maggot
Recurring Nightmare will replace Living Death
Volrath's Stronghold will replace Putrid Imp
Toxic Deluge will replace Necropotence



I expect to obtain the Flip Walkers from 2 months of drafting hopefully and Elspeth is in the mail. The rest comes to a total of 62,601 puca points or $626.
It's going to be a bit of a long term project because I also have Modern decks I want to finish and a couple of EDH decks in mind. Looks like a fun challenge though.