Relentless Dead is Bloodghast's final nail in the coffin, I think. I took out the Ghasts when I put in the combo, so I might try to fit it in but probably won't be able to.
If there are any more good madness cards in SoI, we could play a more madness-centric Dredgevine with more Lilis.
How come? Our creature engine of Vengevines and Gravecrawler goes through it, Looting goes through it, dredge goes through it, even Tasigur isn't affected by it at all.
I was very happy with my performance and my deck. I got lucky with my matchups, though. I didn't face Burn or Eldrazi, and faced Blue Tron once. I also didn't face linear matchups where my combo is necessary. I also felt that my play was pretty tight. I would've played my game three against Blue Tron different, but besides that, I think I played my deck to its full potential.
I edited this to make it shorter to scroll through and change how I sideboarded against Merfolk now that I remember correctly.
Thought I'd post here one more time and get input before I finalize my list for an unknown meta at SCG Regionals. By the way, who else will be at Regionals with Dredgevine?
Since the last time I posted this, I added the Varolz, the Scar-Striped and Death's Shadow combo. I was looking for something to make my deck faster against Burn and Zoo and I think this is what I need. The sideboard is untested, but the rest of the combo is for Burn, Tron, and Zoo, the Bloodghasts, Thoughtseizes, and the Murderous Cuts come in for the combo during grindier matchups. Radiant Flames are for the swarmier matchups (Small zoo and Company decks especially, and everything else is explainable.
Not noticeably. We already have Artful Dodge for unblockability and while this cantrips, Artful Dodge is two storm and two triggers in one card. So, it could fit, but I don't think it does anything noticeable.
I am testing Nyx Weaver because it isn't Splinterfright and it isn't Eternal Witness: it's both. If it's unchecked, then I can exile it for a Zombie, than it, Gravecrawler, and Vengevines come back. Otherwise, better that than a Lotleth Troll or Vengevine.
I'm leaning towards Gnaw to the Bone because I run less creatures and other cards are sometimes a greater priority (Liliana or Inquisition comes to mind). I chose Feed the Clan because Jund was running it and I also board out my Lootings against Burn (a free two life gained from sideboarding!). Maybe it's an extra two life gained from Looting away two creatures and then Gnawing.
So if I can't beat Karn or Ugin, than is there a card I should be bringing to speed myself up (also for Burn). I had Bloodghast in that slot, but you don't like it and it hasn't been performing well for me either.
I just cut a Stomping Ground for another basic Swamp and haven't tested it yet, so maybe I need another red source or fetch (I'm leaning towards another Bloodstained Mire). I've found Treetop Village to do a lot more good than harm as a one-of, so I feel like you might have been unlucky?
The sideboard is a recent creation and probably needs some refinement. Ancient Grudge was originally in my sideboard but I didn't feel I needed it. Out of Affinity, Damnation is better, while hitting Zoo and other decks that are faster than me. Grudge also doesn't hit Karn, Ugin, Ulamog, or Emrakul, and I have Murderous Cut and Liliana to deal with Wurmcoil. That's why I don't have Grudge in the sideboard.
I've been boarding out Looting versus Burn to gain me two life, so I don't want Gnaw to the Bone, so Feed the Clan seemed the best. Is that wrong? Should I have Gnaw?
Lastly, I've been on vacation so I haven't been able to test out the latest changes to this deck. If you drew the Nyx Weavers, how did they perform for you?
If there are any more good madness cards in SoI, we could play a more madness-centric Dredgevine with more Lilis.
How come? Our creature engine of Vengevines and Gravecrawler goes through it, Looting goes through it, dredge goes through it, even Tasigur isn't affected by it at all.
4 Faithless Looting
4 Gravecrawler
3 Grisly Salvage
3 Gurmag Angler
4 Lotleth Troll
4 Vengevine
Combo
3 Death's Shadow
2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Control
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Darkblast
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Murderous Cut
1 Blood Crypt
3 Bloodstained Mire
2 Forest
3 Overgrown Tomb
4 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Woodland Cemetery
1 Tymaret, the Murder King
1 Death's Shadow
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Gnaw to the Bone
1 Murderous Cut
2 Radiant Flames
1 Thoughtseize
2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Golgari Charm
Sideboarding -
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Murderous Cut
+1 Golgari Charm
+1 Radiant Flames
+1 Ghost Quarter
-3 Death's Shadow
-2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Sideboarding -
+2 Ghost Quarter
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Tymaret, the Murder King
+1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
-3 Abrupt Decay
-2 Murderous Cut
-1 Darkblast
Sideboarding -
+2 Ghost Quarter
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Tymaret, the Murder King
+1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
+1 Murderous Cut
-4 Abrupt Decay
-1 Darkblast
-1 Death's Shadow
Sideboarding -
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Murderous Cut
+1 Golgari Charm
+1 Radiant Flames
+1 Ghost Quarter
-3 Death's Shadow
-2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Sideboarding -
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Tymaret, the Murder King
+1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
+1 Murderous Cut
+1 Golgari Charm
-3 Death's Shadow
-2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Sideboarding -
+2 Radiant Flames
+1 Golgari Charm
+1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
+1 Thoughtseize
-3 Death's Shadow
-2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Sideboarding -
+2 Radiant Flames
+2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
+1 Murderous Cut
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Death's Shadow
-4 Faithless Looting
-3 Liliana of the Veil
Sideboarding -
+1 Thoughtseize
+1 Murderous Cut
+1 Golgari Charm
+1 Radiant Flames
+1 Ghost Quarter
-3 Death's Shadow
-2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
I was very happy with my performance and my deck. I got lucky with my matchups, though. I didn't face Burn or Eldrazi, and faced Blue Tron once. I also didn't face linear matchups where my combo is necessary. I also felt that my play was pretty tight. I would've played my game three against Blue Tron different, but besides that, I think I played my deck to its full potential.
I edited this to make it shorter to scroll through and change how I sideboarded against Merfolk now that I remember correctly.
Since the last time I posted this, I added the Varolz, the Scar-Striped and Death's Shadow combo. I was looking for something to make my deck faster against Burn and Zoo and I think this is what I need. The sideboard is untested, but the rest of the combo is for Burn, Tron, and Zoo, the Bloodghasts, Thoughtseizes, and the Murderous Cuts come in for the combo during grindier matchups. Radiant Flames are for the swarmier matchups (Small zoo and Company decks especially, and everything else is explainable.
4 Faithless Looting
4 Gravecrawler
3 Grisly Salvage
3 Gurmag Angler
4 Lotleth Troll
4 Vengevine
Combo
3 Death's Shadow
2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Control
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Darkblast
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Liliana of the Veil
2 Murderous Cut
1 Blood Crypt
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Forest
3 Overgrown Tomb
4 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Woodland Cemetery
2 Bloodghast
1 Death's Shadow
2 Fulminator Mage
3 Gnaw to the Bone
1 Murderous Cut
2 Radiant Flames
2 Thoughtseize
2 Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Between Gerry Thompson playing the deck (his match and his deck tech and my question, Dredgevine has had a lot of coverage today.
Go to 2:25:37 here to watch the match.
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
4 Overgrown Tomb
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
6 Swamp
4 Lotleth Troll
4 Gravecrawler
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Bloodghast
4 Vengevine
3 Dark Confidant
2 Extractor Demon
1 Rotting Rats
4 Smallpox
4 Grisly Salvage
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Darkblast
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Darkblast
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
3 Delirium Skeins
1 Dark Confidant
1 Nihil Spellbomb
4 Lotleth Troll
3 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Vengevine
3 Gurmag Angler
3 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Gravecrawler
4 Bloodghast
Spells
4 Faithless Looting
4 Grisly Salvage
2 Murderous Cut
2 Darkblast
3 Abrupt Decay
Lands
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Blood Crypt
3 Overgrown Tomb
1 Twilight Mire
1 Treetop Village
1 Stomping Ground
1 Forest
1 Swamp
2 Bloodstained Mire
3 Gnaw to the Bone
2 Slaughter Games
3 Thoughtseize
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Boil
2 Golgari Charm
1 Blood Moon
2 Woodland Cemetery
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
4 Overgrown Tomb
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
6 Swamp
Creatures
4 Lotleth Troll
4 Gravecrawler
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Bloodghast
4 Vengevine
3 Dark Confidant
2 Extractor Demon
1 Rotting Rats
4 Smallpox
4 Grisly Salvage
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Darkblast
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Darkblast
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
3 Delirium Skeins
1 Dark Confidant
1 Nihil Spellbomb
Matthias Hunt was featured here.
I'm leaning towards Gnaw to the Bone because I run less creatures and other cards are sometimes a greater priority (Liliana or Inquisition comes to mind). I chose Feed the Clan because Jund was running it and I also board out my Lootings against Burn (a free two life gained from sideboarding!). Maybe it's an extra two life gained from Looting away two creatures and then Gnawing.
So if I can't beat Karn or Ugin, than is there a card I should be bringing to speed myself up (also for Burn). I had Bloodghast in that slot, but you don't like it and it hasn't been performing well for me either.
The sideboard is a recent creation and probably needs some refinement. Ancient Grudge was originally in my sideboard but I didn't feel I needed it. Out of Affinity, Damnation is better, while hitting Zoo and other decks that are faster than me. Grudge also doesn't hit Karn, Ugin, Ulamog, or Emrakul, and I have Murderous Cut and Liliana to deal with Wurmcoil. That's why I don't have Grudge in the sideboard.
I've been boarding out Looting versus Burn to gain me two life, so I don't want Gnaw to the Bone, so Feed the Clan seemed the best. Is that wrong? Should I have Gnaw?
Lastly, I've been on vacation so I haven't been able to test out the latest changes to this deck. If you drew the Nyx Weavers, how did they perform for you?