Yes. So in my head, not as a player in this game but as someone who constructs games, it seems really weird to me to have a scum day vig and a town night vig because of the dynamics of vigs. Vigs are fairly often in a situation of "resolves itself" because if a vig fake claims the real vig will blow its brains out. So for scum day vig to do its job to either kill a buddy (but maybe still get shot by night vig who thinks it is a bus) or to kill town (and night vig shooting it for killing town + counter claiming killing power) doesn't seem like rewarding game design for scum. It's almost a trap for scum to ever claim the day vig with the meta as it is.
Ok, thanks for that clarification. How do you think that affects the likelihood that both vig roles are town?
Also, in my last post I said we were at 10-2. We're at 9-2. But still, I believe, 7 unclaimed, so...nah, I don't think a mass claim is a good idea yet.
Behaviorially you make sense as 'both town'
Shadow - tbh I don't mind that it moves no needles for you, I am kind of demoralized at my own bad play at this point. Don't like being fooled!
Is anyone calling Axel anything but town? Oh maybe Shadow did actually, Shadow is silly if so.
Yes. So in my head, not as a player in this game but as someone who constructs games, it seems really weird to me to have a scum day vig and a town night vig because of the dynamics of vigs. Vigs are fairly often in a situation of "resolves itself" because if a vig fake claims the real vig will blow its brains out. So for scum day vig to do its job to either kill a buddy (but maybe still get shot by night vig who thinks it is a bus) or to kill town (and night vig shooting it for killing town + counter claiming killing power) doesn't seem like rewarding game design for scum. It's almost a trap for scum to ever claim the day vig with the meta as it is.
I think you always take care of KJ first here. Because I don't understand the scum mindset in any shape or form of coming in, defending me, AND bussing KJ and Grape only then to back off the bus last second to try to lynch Tom.
I know, scum are apparently special this game, but I do try to make some sense of this world still.
also I am going to be very annoyed if 'chris instinct' was right on both tom and grapefruit but I got talked out of both because that's just sad for me.
By the way, I just want to say this before it is night: if I had to choose, I'd lynch Cantripmancer over Tom every time mechanically. Not putting any behavior into this atm, but the mechanics of the game favor a scum night vig and a town day vig over the reverse. This isn't a read, I just wanted to get this outside of my head before night comes.
Also as with Az I will hope that I have been tricked by weird and off the wall scum play, that'd be nice.
Also I have doubts scum Grape who is partnered with scum KJ ever whines about me voting him instead of going after KJ. It seems way too complex a thought to fake like that. That factored into my decision as well.
12 names where three of them are scum. I am mulling.
Let's talk about scum equity for the moment. Osie has almost none for the play here today, lightening the pressure off of me and going to grape/kj/kcc only to change tact and go to Tom like this. If Grape is scum you just complete the bus, if he is town you bury him. The tidbit about him possibly being confirmable seems to have just made Osie hesitate. I think that's genuine.
Tom/Megs almost can't exist as w/w. Wolf Tom has a shot to hold town hostage and he makes his scum buddy and the backup claim and that satisfies him to shoot the backup?
God post 2299 s such a sick read from Grapefruit. Voting Tom while openly shrugging and saying he is doesn't even think scum Tom does this. Claims to have thought Beeboy was scummy, decides to use power on them. Follow up with a vote. Slightly burned out, stretched too thin town. Sloppy reads. Does scum tell people to read my ISO when he has the facts wrong? It's such town vehemence. I think Osie has the right of this. There's no real scum mindset here. Why claim delayer when the day has assumed delayer is a scum role?
Wisp continues to show a good town mindset with that observation way before I got there.
##unvote: Grapefruit
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Killjoy has not placed a single vote this entire day unless my iso of him is off.
Behaviorially you make sense as 'both town'
Shadow - tbh I don't mind that it moves no needles for you, I am kind of demoralized at my own bad play at this point. Don't like being fooled!
Yes. So in my head, not as a player in this game but as someone who constructs games, it seems really weird to me to have a scum day vig and a town night vig because of the dynamics of vigs. Vigs are fairly often in a situation of "resolves itself" because if a vig fake claims the real vig will blow its brains out. So for scum day vig to do its job to either kill a buddy (but maybe still get shot by night vig who thinks it is a bus) or to kill town (and night vig shooting it for killing town + counter claiming killing power) doesn't seem like rewarding game design for scum. It's almost a trap for scum to ever claim the day vig with the meta as it is.
I know, scum are apparently special this game, but I do try to make some sense of this world still.
Going to stick with my one post where I had KJ/Grape as scum tbh.
Sure, scum just sucks and is apparently playing solely to fool me and no one else, I'll take it <_<.
Also as with Az I will hope that I have been tricked by weird and off the wall scum play, that'd be nice.
Let's talk about scum equity for the moment. Osie has almost none for the play here today, lightening the pressure off of me and going to grape/kj/kcc only to change tact and go to Tom like this. If Grape is scum you just complete the bus, if he is town you bury him. The tidbit about him possibly being confirmable seems to have just made Osie hesitate. I think that's genuine.
Tom/Megs almost can't exist as w/w. Wolf Tom has a shot to hold town hostage and he makes his scum buddy and the backup claim and that satisfies him to shoot the backup?
God post 2299 s such a sick read from Grapefruit. Voting Tom while openly shrugging and saying he is doesn't even think scum Tom does this. Claims to have thought Beeboy was scummy, decides to use power on them. Follow up with a vote. Slightly burned out, stretched too thin town. Sloppy reads. Does scum tell people to read my ISO when he has the facts wrong? It's such town vehemence. I think Osie has the right of this. There's no real scum mindset here. Why claim delayer when the day has assumed delayer is a scum role?
Wisp continues to show a good town mindset with that observation way before I got there.
##unvote: Grapefruit
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Killjoy has not placed a single vote this entire day unless my iso of him is off.
##vote: Killjoy
This is at present the only wagon I will support.
Grapefruit please stop being wrong about KJ.